Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2440870)

Unfortunately, the US is falling behind year after year in modernization in technology. We are still doing things like the 1970’s when we could have built up our infrastructure. You travel to other countries that have kept up in modern infrastructure, like Dubai, and it’s shocking how behind we really are because our government doesn’t want to modernize.

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2440893)

We had an oxygen genorator on my submarine. It split pure water into hydrogen and oxygen.
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The vehicles would need to burn off the excess oxygen or do something to prevent its release into the air.

The other issue is getting pure water for the cars. Pure water has to be made, it does not exist in nature. Even rainwater captures impurities from the air, dust and whatnot.

Originally Posted by Cuervo (Post 2440884)

There will be more than enough power for EVs, as long as there is a profit motivation anything can be done. I'm sure most people thought gas power cars were impracticable how could you have enough gas to supply a nation full of those tin box's and who needs it anyway we have horses.
My first computer was an Atari, I was impressed I could write programs and make it do things, now I look back and I think what a joke.
Look once the infrastructure is put into place and some improvements are made to the cars themselves people will start switching over. Less expensive to maintain and operate, convenient you can wake up in the morning and the EV will be full charged and when on the highway you won't have to pull off there will be charging unit along the way.
Just look around today and look back 50 years ago and all the things you probably did not believe would have existed.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2440685)

Without the details it's difficult to know what work is being done but in general, infrastructure is expensive.

What would have been the cost to run a larger water line or larger sewer line to the property? What about a larger access road to handle the additional traffic? You chose electricity but expansion of any of those would have come with a cost too.

Is the USA ready for EVs? One estimate said there are 10 million on the road today. Either the USA is ready for 10M EVs or there are 10M customers with very heavy, immovable statues in their garages.

Is the US infrastructure robust enough today to support thousands more EV charging stations? Probably not. Will it ever be? Yes, but when that will be and what it will look like is unknown. Who knows how many EVs can the US support with its current infrastructure? We may find out soon.

Originally Posted by Birdrm (Post 2440911)

The other issue is at what point is a charging station profitable, current gas stations are built because they expect to make a profit. Private business is not going to build charging stations for the good of the people and lose money. And it should not be up to the government to build charging stations on taxpayer money!

Originally Posted by Birdrm (Post 2440911)

The other issue is at what point is a charging station profitable, current gas stations are built because they expect to make a profit. Private business is not going to build charging stations for the good of the people and lose money. And it should not be up to the government to build charging stations on taxpayer money!

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2440888)

It looks like this person is buying (or bought?)a hotel in a particularly tricky location. Presumably the building is getting power now (?) but they want more. Which definitely means EV's are a hard NO forever and ever. It's obvious logic.

Joe

Originally Posted by goneil2024 (Post 2440916)

If a developer spent over $40 million for a 200 key, 5.3 acre site in a swanky suburb of Boston, (take for example Brookline), I would expect that their acquisition team would anticipated development costs, the projected DCF and CAP Expenses to deliver on a hurdle rate that offer viable returns to the investor. In that area for example 1BR Condos sell for $500k and more with 2BR at $800k or more x 300 = $240M overall, and as MA is very 'green' one would think that there are a number of incentives being offered to upgrade and convert the property, with energy/electric costs being simply one of them.

Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 2440939)

I think Toyota is right when it says that hybrids are the way to go.

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2440933)

We are decades away from having our infrastructure ready for EV’s as well as we are decades away from having EV’s equal to he convenience of internal combustion engines.
When I can fill up an EV in the same time as filling up a normal car, have as many charging stations as gas stations, the true miles an EV can go on 1 charge compared to a full tank of gas, and no wait lines at charging stations.

We should stop subsidizing the purchase of an EV at the same time have a tax on each EV based on the miles they drive to help pay for roads. Gas cars pay tax at the pump for road maintenance while the EV pays not road tax, we need to change that

Originally Posted by Pennyt (Post 2440943)

SECO already offers an incentive to charge your EV between midnight and 6am. As far as the grid is concerned, people were talking about over accessing the electrical grid when people first started putting in central air conditioning. The grid power was increased over time and no one lost power to their homes or businesses. We have an EV and love it. We charge it in our garage and don't have to worry about gas prices. Our car makes hardly any noise and there is no smelly exhaust.

Originally Posted by rsmurano (Post 2440933)

We are decades away from having our infrastructure ready for EV’s as well as we are decades away from having EV’s equal to he convenience of internal combustion engines.
When I can fill up an EV in the same time as filling up a normal car, have as many charging stations as gas stations, the true miles an EV can go on 1 charge compared to a full tank of gas, and no wait lines at charging stations.

We should stop subsidizing the purchase of an EV at the same time have a tax on each EV based on the miles they drive to help pay for roads. Gas cars pay tax at the pump for road maintenance while the EV pays not road tax, we need to change that

Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2440870)

Unfortunately, the US is falling behind year after year in modernization in technology. We are still doing things like the 1970’s when we could have built up our infrastructure. You travel to other countries that have kept up in modern infrastructure, like Dubai, and it’s shocking how behind we really are because our government doesn’t want to modernize. I sometimes wonder if that’s due to the average age of congress members. Older ways of thinking wanting to take us back to “good ole days” instead of moving forward.

Yes, I own an EV and love it. I didn’t buy it “to save the planet”. I bought it because I like the lifestyle…no more oil changes/maintenance, no more needing to always go gas up, better technology. The first time my new EV needs to go to the dealership for maintenance is in its 3rd year and it’s just to run diagnostics. I like that. I also like that BMW has batteries that have individual cells, so if at any time in the future there are battery issues, you don’t replace an entire battery but only those cells that are faulty (80 cells). Much lower cost replacing individual cells. The US will be prepared when our government decides it wants to join countries with advanced infrastructure instead of old technologies. I’m sure young people will be pushing us into the future with many kicking and screaming.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2440982)

. More fish protein will be available for future generations.

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2440962)

As far as I can tell, SECO hasn’t gone to varying rates based on time. Can you provide a link to the incentives?

Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2440972)

You get 7 bucks a month by charging midnight to 6am. So that’s how much they are worried about when you charge your ev.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2440985)

That appears to be a Duke Energy program. I cannot find anything similar for SECO.

SECO does have a time of use rate chart but there is no information on their website about how to request it. My back of the envelope calculations seemed to show that it wouldn't save me anything but it might be beneficial to someone with an EV charger.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2440982)

There are many reasons why electrical vehicles will begin replacing Internal Combustion Engines. 1) Judging by today's news, we can see oil and gasoline prices going UP. 2) The US gets a lot of electricity from river dams, wind generators, and solar panels. 3) Nuclear Energy power plants are getting smaller and safer. Small Modular Reactors (SMRs) can produce from 5 to 400 Mega Watts of electricity. They are factory produced and can be transported to any area. They have INCREASED SAFETY FEATURES. Their small size alone helps make they safe. Right now their only disadvantage is the public's fear of nuclear energy. In the future they will keep getting smaller to the point that each home may have their own unit. 4) Battery technology is improving with things like solid state batteries and better safety and more range. 5) The EV has fewer parts than an ICE vehicle and eventually will cost less and be more reliable. 6) Electric vehicles use will improve the air quality and restore ocean reefs. More fish protein will be available for future generations. 7) Oil can be used for pharmacy products which could bring down prescription costs. 8) The US will be less dependent on Middle East oil, which is a dangerous part of the world.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2440773)

I think saving the world, one Air Conditioner at a time, is a great start. Try to get your neighbors on the program, in case someone in the neighborhood buys an EV. I think the ratio is about 3 AC's to 1 EV.

Originally Posted by Rocksnap (Post 2440861)

Never mind the electrical grid to charge cars, which it can’t do now, but imagine just one companies fleet of semi trucks. Power companies and municipalities are laughing at them.
Next, consider the environmental impact of just what it takes to manufacture a car/truck battery. That alone is another huge environmental problem.
Now we haven’t even got to the infrastructure yet. Roads, bridges, parking garages are NOT designed for all the added weight.
So yeah, you THINK you are doing well driving ev. But it’s just the opposite when you look at the big picture.
You have been snookered by something we can’t mentioned on here, lest we get kicked off.
Green it is not.

Originally Posted by Ptmcbriz (Post 2440870)

Unfortunately, the US is falling behind year after year in modernization in technology. We are still doing things like the 1970’s when we could have built up our infrastructure. You travel to other countries that have kept up in modern infrastructure, like Dubai, and it’s shocking how behind we really are because our government doesn’t want to modernize. I sometimes wonder if that’s due to the average age of congress members. Older ways of thinking wanting to take us back to “good ole days” instead of moving forward.

Yes, I own an EV and love it. I didn’t buy it “to save the planet”. I bought it because I like the lifestyle…no more oil changes/maintenance, no more needing to always go gas up, better technology. The first time my new EV needs to go to the dealership for maintenance is in its 3rd year and it’s just to run diagnostics. I like that. I also like that BMW has batteries that have individual cells, so if at any time in the future there are battery issues, you don’t replace an entire battery but only those cells that are faulty (80 cells). Much lower cost replacing individual cells. The US will be prepared when our government decides it wants to join countries with advanced infrastructure instead of old technologies. I’m sure young people will be pushing us into the future with many kicking and screaming.

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2440984)

It's about time someone considered the Fish Protein issue.

Somehow, I suspected who it would be 😂

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2440997)

Coral reefs are VERY important to SCUBA divers and professional and amateur salt water fishermen. It is important to the Florida tourist trade. Coral reefs are indications of environmental degradation. In 100 years Midwest farm production will be only 40% of what it is today. Look it up and ask ,"do we want to do that to our future generations" just to make oil executives rich? The choice to buy an electric vehicle versus a gas vehicle, has many ramifications for the whole Earth's future.

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2440998)

Remind us of which EV you drive.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2441000)

Does that really matter? I am wheelchair bound and I get everything delivered by Amazon (which has many ELECTRIC vehicles).

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2441003)

Then stop lecturing people on what you think they should do. Nobody cares but it is a real annoyance to keep seeing your posts.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2440994)

I agree with all of your post and I think that Congress people should have a 2 term maximum.

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2440886)

How do people without garages or driveways charge their cars overnight? Think apartments, condos , street parking, etc.

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 2441003)

Then stop lecturing people on what you think they should do. Nobody cares but it is a real annoyance to keep seeing your posts.

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2440886)

How do people without garages or driveways charge their cars overnight? Think apartments, condos , street parking, etc.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2440910)

Henry ford model T was designed to run on alcohol which could be made no need for gas stations, just make some moonshine :highfive: Standard oil came up with idea to use waste byproduct produced from kerosene for automobile’s.

Originally Posted by Harold.wiser (Post 2440864)

California regularly has rolling blackouts yet they want everyone in electric cars. The grid cannot handle the load. It makes no sense.