Well… If what you're saying is correct Iowa should be in compliance with the standard and have nothing to worry about correct?:mornincoffee:

California will be passing a law which requires pigs to fly into the state rather than being transported by truck.

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States rights!!!!! :crap2:

And you should have the right to make that choice while I choose otherwise.

The California law is making the choice for everyone in the state - no one can choose otherwise. But that's what the majority of the California voters in 2018 wanted.

The issue is that with the industry being the way it is, this California law *might* end up making the choice for everyone in the nation. I am sure *I* did not have a say in that 2018 California law.

The California law cannot make the choice for everyone. (Trust me, I am not a California defender at all.) Businesses who do business in CA may make a change to their entire production model in order to sell in CA, or they may change just the production line that sells to CA, or they may choose to not sell in CA. Producers have every right to do whatever they want and sell to you in FL. The CA law does not control that. How businesses choose to respond to the CA law may affect you (in FL), but CA does not bear the responsibility for that. The businesses do.

And only if they fly with renewable energy and do not emit any gasses.

Another idiotic rule or law coming out of California. Lived there on tow occasions when things were still half-way sane, but how anyone could keep living there now is beyond me.

Thanks for posting. I had to look up the term farrowing (although I kind of guessed what it meant). When I did, it took me to a site with videos of birthing and piglets suckling after birth. I have to say the tight quarters, for the intent of keeping the piglets from being squashed did not look cruel. I wish I had seen these before I commented on the cruelty. I wonder if this was shown to the voters before hand, or if there reaction was based on ignorance like mine was.

Will giving them the 24 sq ft room as required actually result in the death of many piglets? After looking, it appears so to me.

Normally, I disagree with about 90% of laws that California passes. However, I grew up on a farm and am in total agreement with the standards in this law. Current practices in the hog farming (and turkey farming) industry are absolutely cruel. Have a little empathy for these poor animals that feed you and don't accept cruelty just to save a buck.

I believe that is what I wrote.

Ah yes, the businesses can choose to not do business in the largest state in the nation. Or, the businesses can choose to set up parallel sources and production lines for their products that will be shipped to California. Or, businesses can recognize that to stay in business they need to remain in the California market and the only way to do that is to change their sourcing which will affect all their products whether they are shipped to California or not. Really not much of a choice for the businesses.

It is possible that I am splitting hairs, but I do think that miniscule difference matters. I was understanding you to say that CA voters were telling you what you can or cannot do, and you had no say in that. That may not have been what you were stating. But if it was, CA voters do have a right to say they do not what porks sold in their state under a certain set of conditions. If the businesses that sell in that state choose to apply those conditions everywhere else, CA cannot be blamed for that. Yes it is a side effect of their law, but they did not (directly) force the businesses to do anything any different for any other state. So, you not having a say in CA law does not make you a victim of CA law. It may make you "collateral damage" but I don't think a state should be prevented from implementing a law that only applies to goods and services sold in their state, because the businesses that operate in their state CHOOSE to apply the law for other states, and that bothers/affects the residents of the other states.

Bottom line is I agree that it may (probably will?) affect you. But that is not CA's concern.

You can read in my post before this that I think the law may be flawed for other reasons, but that is a different discussion.

Do the pigs "feel" pain from not being able to turn around? Are they as sentient as Porky Pig or Arnold Ziffel?:)

I couldn't agree with you more! Animals should be treated humanely!

What is humane is very subjective and controversial. Ask PETA.

Pigs are smart animals, comparable to dogs. Would a dog feel the pain? My dog certainly would.