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03-18-2014 12:50 PM |
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Originally Posted by blueash
(Post 847368)
I think you are all too young. you clearly don't remember when every large city had a cacophony of newspapers in every language which could support circulation. Gracie in Cincinnati there were competing German language newspapers well into the mid century. Immigrants did not learn English well, they continued to speak their native tongue within their community. Most jobs were physical labor and did not require fluency in English so it didn't matter. Yes there were night schools available and they were used, free night schools paid for both privately and with tax dollars. But the myth that all those millions of immigrants that came here before we closed the borders in the twenties just gave up their German, Italian, Russian, Greek, Yiddish etc is pervasive and wrong. So ask yourself, with those large retirement communities in Mexico and Costa Rica, do you think the Americans who have moved to these nations do not expect that services will be available in English and that the locals should expect these immigrants to learn Spanish or suffer?
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Originally Posted by graciegirl
(Post 847549)
My grandparents came from Germany on one side and Appalachia on the other. I think I was more hampered by the country twang of the grandparents who raised me. When I began to read and to watch television I lost the use of most of my "hillbilly" English. There is an unspoken respect by most of us for "good English" and the use of poor English causes most people to look down on a person, their upbringing, and their education. Sometimes that is fair and sometimes it is unfair. My grandparents were good, hard working, not rich people. I am surprised that after a few generations we don't all speak pretty near the same. (Did you notice the usage of "pretty near"?
Buy ya books and buy ya books. lol.
And...Blue Ash. MOST of us don't have to go too far back to find our ancestors from another country. I don't understand the point of the post. You cannot teach or legislate respect for one another. It has to be earned.
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Here's what I think. (I could be wrong.) I think the point of BlueAsh's post was that not everyone who ever came to America could learn English, back before the borders were tightened and immigration was encouraged and so many adults came over from other countries. Further, I think he was pointing out that the large numbers of American expats living in foreign countries (Mexico, for example) do not go to the trouble of immersing themselves in the country's language either, because Mexicans feel that if you're going to live in Mexico, speak Spanish. So he was speaking to the posters who feel that no matter what, if you're going to live in America, you must learn English, and America should do nothing to accommodate them.
Further, I agree with BlueAsh that a century ago most immigrants' jobs were blue-collar jobs, people came over and formed communities with their compatriots, and the learning of English wasn't that important. It's their children who learned English, and I think that is happening with the foreigners who are living here in America presently.
We just have to wait a bit, the children will grow up, and nobody will have to listen to "Marque nueve por Espanol." Not that it bothers me--it doesn't.
It is DAMN hard for an adult to become fluent in a foreign language if he hasn't started learning it as a youth. Even with my gazillion years of French, the train schedule & ticket buying web site in France brought me to my knees. Fortunately, if you showed up at the station, they would give you a refund for the error you made online.
I would hate to be a foreigner and have to fill out forms in a different language, especially if you were not affluent enough to have a computer, the internet, and Google Translate.
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