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OrangeBlossomBaby 02-13-2025 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by opinionist (Post 2409142)
If tariffs can replace the income tax, then I say bring it on.
If tariffs can help bring jobs back from overseas, I say bring it on.
So you're okay with people who are already so poor that they don't qualify to PAY income tax, having to pay MORE for the things they can barely afford in the first place?

Women whose husbands have abandoned them with kids and no prospect for a career...

Homeless veterans who WANT to do better but are so screwed up from injuries to their bodies and minds, they just can't quite reach "normal" without help, and being helpless means they can't even understand how to seek help.

Families who have fallen on hard times because the government laid them off, or the shop closed down, or the fire burned down their home...

You're okay with forcing them to pay MORE for everything, just so you don't have to pay tax on your dividend check?

Normal 02-13-2025 10:22 AM
True
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2409244)
So you're okay with people who are already so poor that they don't qualify to PAY income tax, having to pay MORE for the things they can barely afford in the first place?

Women whose husbands have abandoned them with kids and no prospect for a career...

Homeless veterans who WANT to do better but are so screwed up from injuries to their bodies and minds, they just can't quite reach "normal" without help, and being helpless means they can't even understand how to seek help.

Families who have fallen on hard times because the government laid them off, or the shop closed down, or the fire burned down their home...

You're okay with forcing them to pay MORE for everything, just so you don't have to pay tax on your dividend check?
True, groceries don’t come from China, but things like backpacks, vacuum cleaners, clothing/textiles, fans, calculators and sink faucets do. In the end all the prices are forced upward to the new American made price.

rustyp 02-13-2025 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2409242)
Can be temporary? Temporary is probably at least 2 years. American companies would need a huge cash investment, find and hire qualified workers, work out supply chains and logistics and hope they still can compete with slave labor countries. This has been going on after the affects of WW 2 ended and is not going to be fixed overnight
The tariffs start now. The consumer will pay the tariff now. The tariff will be paid until the product is made in the US. Pick a time - No better yet define what is "made in the USA"? Assembled? A percentage of parts? Origin of raw materials?

So now let's imagine all the millions of products that were not made in USA are. You can pick a date. We are told unemployment is at 4%. How many people will it require to staff all these new ventures? We can't find enough people to fill the wait staff at restaurants right now. When unemployment hits rock bottom the employee can dictate the terms of employment. They will dictate higher wages. Higher wages will also equal inflation.

This scenario assumes the economy somehow doesn't crash before all the plants are built due to higher prices equal less demand (affordability) and we go into a recession.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-13-2025 10:33 AM
Buy American:
The United States imports most of its bananas from Guatemala, Ecuador, Costa Rica, Honduras, and Colombia.
China is where the world gets most of its silk, with India being a distant second. If you want to buy American, you'd have to get your silk clothing and scarves from American fashion houses. You wouldn't want to get them from Marshall's, because they buy products from China and you need to not support any place that buys from China.

Don't expect your New Balance shoes to be made in the states - American-made shoes are a small percentage of their selection; most of them are made in China, Indonesia, and Vietnam.

While there aren't any cars in the US that are fully made in China, MOST US-made cars use components that are manufactured in China.

Do you like drinking tea? Ice tea? Better stop drinking it. The vast majority of non-herbal tea in the US is imported from China.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-13-2025 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2409248)
True, groceries don’t come from China, but things like backpacks, vacuum cleaners, clothing/textiles, fans, calculators and sink faucets do. In the end all the prices are forced upward to the new American made price.
Many groceries ARE made in China, or in Mexico, or in other countries with tariffs imposed.

CybrSage 02-13-2025 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2409215)
Tariffs are a tax, there is no “if” and “or”, “but”.
Completely false, tariffs are not, and never have been, taxes.
Only Congress can authorize the taxes and only the President can authorize tariffs. They are clearly not the same

CybrSage 02-13-2025 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2409251)
Do you like drinking tea? Ice tea? Better stop drinking it. The vast majority of non-herbal tea in the US is imported from China.
The US fought a war against tea, literally throwing it in the harbor. Torries SHOULD be punished for siding with the Crown still.





In case someone is too angry to tell, that was meant in jest.

CybrSage 02-13-2025 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2409244)
So you're okay with people who are already so poor that they don't qualify to PAY income tax, having to pay MORE for the things they can barely afford in the first place?
So you are good with people being paid all but slave wages so you can have things cheaper? You are good with child labor so you can have cheaper goods?

See how silly such statements are yet?

GWilliams 02-13-2025 10:46 AM
Bu American
 
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Originally Posted by PeteF (Post 2408951)
About a week ago, I had to replace (under warranty) the charger for my Lithium Ion Golf Cart Battery.

The Chinese company was great . They shipped me a new charger from China within two days, and it arrived 4 days after they shipped it ... Air express via UPS.

Surprise, when UPS delivered the charger there was a $15 Tariff due (20% of the $75 charger valuation) and UPS tacked on another $15 service charge.

Obviously I was a bit surprised by this, especially the $15 service charge from UPS on a $15 Tariff.

As the economist and financial people have been saying ... US people and companies pay the tariff when the goods land ... its not a paid by Chinese companies. Additional, nobody has talked about the service charges that the shipping companies are imposing.

Just a little heads up if you are expecting a shipment directly from China.

Please note: I am not saying that Tariffs are good or bad policy - that needs to be decided by people with a lot more Tariff knowledge and experience than I have. This post is meant as just a heads up on what you might experience should you order directly from China.
Buy American

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-13-2025 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2409256)
So you are good with people being paid all but slave wages so you can have things cheaper? You are good with child labor so you can have cheaper goods?

See how silly such statements are yet?
I'm good with the cost of living being lower somewhere else, so that employers can employ people for less, somewhere else, and those employees can enjoy the lower cost of living there, while I enjoy a higher cost of living here, but NOT as high as if those employers had to pay American wages for the same products.

I am against slave labor.

But the cost of living in China is approximately 50% lower than it is in the states. Minimum wage in the states does NOT cover the cost of living.

But the Chinese can be paid less than the American living wage, and still be able to afford a sustainable modest lifestyle.

Dairy costs significantly more in China than it does here in the States, but other than that - groceries are significantly less expensive there. While rents are around $2000/month on average here, they're only around $600/month there.

Again, I'm against slave labor. I'm against child labor. But I'm all for global economics.

Normal 02-13-2025 10:50 AM
Who gets the money then
 
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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2409254)
Completely false, tariffs are not, and never have been, taxes.
Only Congress can authorize the taxes and only the President can authorize tariffs. They are clearly not the same
Who receives the extra money charged then? It is paid, and the government is the collecting agency.

By the way, any group can tax. Your state can tax goods and they aren’t congress. Shoot, even the local government tends to get a little tax happy.

Stryker 02-13-2025 11:02 AM
It’s really very simple. If we have to pay more money to cover the tariffs, it’s a bad thing.

Papa5 02-13-2025 11:07 AM
tariffs will do and can’t do
 
Tariffs should cause all imported tariffed “goods” to cost more at the point of sale. For the” majority” of imported and tariffed “goods” the US does not have the manufacturing or labor infrastructure to either produce the “goods” or to produce it at current selling prices.

fdpaq0580 02-13-2025 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2409254)
Completely false, tariffs are not, and never have been, taxes.
Only Congress can authorize the taxes and only the President can authorize tariffs. They are clearly not the same
Both will ultimately be paid by the consumer. To me, the difference is as follows;
Taxes pay for things that benefit the taxpayers, like infrastructure, military, police, fire depts, health care, research, public education and welfare. These are things that benefit all of us.
Tariffs raise the cost of imported goods, with the hope of "leveling the playing field" so U S manufacturers can compete in the U S marketplace. While this may help U S manufacturing, the consumer will still pay more for products, regardless of place of origin. But keeping manufacturing in this country helps keep us from becoming economic slaves to manufacturing countries.

sianagers@att.net 02-13-2025 11:12 AM
Agree 100%. Also if a country had to pay guess who increases the price of the item!
 
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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 2408980)
It was sarcasm. I lived in a US/Canadian border town for years. I am very aware who pays the tariff. When I brought goods I purchased in Canada into the US I had to pay the tariff. The US government made me go inside fill out the paperwork and pay the DUTY on the spot ! Me myself and I - the consumer (in this case I was the importer) - not the manufacturer.

Like you Bill it amazes me people do not understand who pays the tariff.
The consumer pays either the country increases the price or we directly pay.


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