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JMintzer 07-20-2023 07:27 AM

My youngest daughter just left teaching after only 5-6 years...

She still works for the school system, but is now in the IT division...

She received a huge raise with larger annual increases...

Yes, it's insane that we don't pay teachers more... The money is there. It's simply being squandered...

Whitley 07-20-2023 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2237056)
And if they already HAVE a book like that, or the book is given to them without charge, they should not have to dump it just because some ignorant puritan thinks that reading about a boy who likes boys will turn you gay.

Can we stick to the topic. The book I saw was Damsel, with descriptive rape, pedophilia, bestiality, animal rape (?) etc.. Are you against having that available in grade school libraries?

I notice in your responses there tends to be a certain degree of anger, nastiness, name calling. Are you familiar with the facial recognition program that can predict if a person is right or left wing. It seems the more relaxed, smiling, happy faces are right wing. This was in the Danish Journal Science Reports.
Another study that I read in Psychology Today showed that Conservative Politicians were "more beautiful". That would be in 2018 or 2019. We should all relax and enjoy that we are fortunate enough to live in TV. Name calling does not really serve a purpose.

Whitley 07-20-2023 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2237059)
It's another reason why there's such a high turnover in Florida schools and qualified teachers are in short supply. It's why Florida is offering teacher positions to UNqualified (not just underqualified) armed services veterans. The state doesn't care whether or not you know how to teach or are even comfortable around children. It just wants to pretend it cares about veterans (while supporting the reduction of veterans benefits), and children (while shaming children who are different and underfunding special ed services).

Some current teachers on Tik Tok are a bit too comfortable around little kids. With all of these negatives, Fl still is in the top five for students that are at or above grade level. They must be doing something right.

Whitley 07-20-2023 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2237179)
Pretty sure many are just fine with that...


The Bible was not in our local public schools. Not sure why anyone would bring that into the discussion.

Whitley 07-20-2023 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by jaj523 (Post 2237115)
Baltimore spends the most money per student than any other city in the country.. And it ranks at the bottom in student learning. Google for the statistics. This is true for many big cities as well. Money isn't the answer. Revamping the system is.

What has happened to Baltimore is horrible. I was in college when Schaeffer was Mayor (then Gov). Baltimore was doing well. Now, 40 years later and it is a wreck. So very sad.

JMintzer 07-20-2023 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2237228)
The Bible was not in our local public schools. Not sure why anyone would bring that into the discussion.

Because they have no other cogent argument...

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-20-2023 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2237217)
Can we stick to the topic. The book I saw was Damsel, with descriptive rape, pedophilia, bestiality, animal rape (?) etc.. Are you against having that available in grade school libraries?

I notice in your responses there tends to be a certain degree of anger, nastiness, name calling. Are you familiar with the facial recognition program that can predict if a person is right or left wing. It seems the more relaxed, smiling, happy faces are right wing. This was in the Danish Journal Science Reports.
Another study that I read in Psychology Today showed that Conservative Politicians were "more beautiful". That would be in 2018 or 2019. We should all relax and enjoy that we are fortunate enough to live in TV. Name calling does not really serve a purpose.

It's classified as a YA book. I think it shouldn't be. I think if I saw that in an elementary school library I'd have a word with the librarian just on that one aspect alone, because YA books don't belong in elementary schools in the first place.

I read an actual librarian's review, and it sounds like it shouldn't even be a YA book, though it might be an interesting type of book for 12th graders or college students who are studying feminist literature.

Rather than demand that the school SYSTEM remove the book from all libraries, I'd probably just have a talk with the librarian and point it out to them. Since that's their job - to determine what should or shouldn't be in their library.

I did exactly that when a similar book (based on the same theme in fact) showed up in the kids' section. It was a series, a 3 or 4 book series of the Sleeping Beauty story - by A.N. Roquelaure, also known as Ann Rice. It's a BDSM series that shouldn't be anywhere near minor children. But the librarian had no idea that it was NOT the Sleeping Beauty story she thought it was - until I pointed it out to her. She immediately removed it from the kids' section and stuck it in the office where I'm sure she spent some time deciding what to do about it.

Babubhat 07-20-2023 04:13 PM

It’s a miserable job today. Too many administrators and parents telling you how to do your job for inadequate pay. Might as well work at Coleman prison

Pballer 07-20-2023 05:49 PM

Maybe there is a huge teacher shortage in Florida because teachers and prospective teachers don't want to have to teach how slavery wasn't so bad because slaves were taught skills that they could then use for their own personal benefit; as well as other garbage they must teach by edict of the Florida Board of Education.

JMintzer 07-20-2023 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 2237394)
Maybe there is a huge teacher shortage in Florida because teachers and prospective teachers don't want to have to teach how slavery wasn't so bad because slaves were taught skills that they could then use for their own personal benefit; as well as other garbage they must teach by edict of the Florida Board of Education.

Good thing that isn't happening...

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-20-2023 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 2237394)
Maybe there is a huge teacher shortage in Florida because teachers and prospective teachers don't want to have to teach how slavery wasn't so bad because slaves were taught skills that they could then use for their own personal benefit; as well as other garbage they must teach by edict of the Florida Board of Education.

I didn't want to trust Politico or any mainstream or even alt-media to check this, I'd heard about it. So I went to the actual state board of education website and found the document. It's right there on page 5:
Quote:

SS.68.AA.2.3
Examine the various duties and trades performed by slaves (e.g., agricultural
work, painting, carpentry, tailoring, domestic service, blacksmithing,
transportation).
Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes how slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be
applied for their personal benefit.
That's for grade 6-8. Here's the link to the Bd. of Ed pdf doc:
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse...3/urlt/6-4.pdf

Which, if you don't like clicking links in posts, you can find by running a search on academic standards florida 2023

Nowhere in the multi-page document does it mention anything about how students should be taught that female slaves were used as breed-mares for future generations of slaves, and that many of the domestic slaves were the result of rape by the master against the female slave. And yes that's definitely age-appropriate. Girls 6-8 grade are mostly menstruating and capable of getting pregnant if they're raped. Which does happen. Not often - but it does happen.

JMintzer 07-20-2023 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2237405)
I didn't want to trust Politico or any mainstream or even alt-media to check this, I'd heard about it. So I went to the actual state board of education website and found the document. It's right there on page 5:


That's for grade 6-8. Here's the link to the Bd. of Ed pdf doc:
https://www.fldoe.org/core/fileparse...3/urlt/6-4.pdf

Which, if you don't like clicking links in posts, you can find by running a search on academic standards florida 2023

Odd how you ignore all of the positive things they teach about AA history...

Focusing on ONE "clarification" in ONE minute subsection is a cheap attempt at attacking the FL School system...

BTW, I DID read the link provided...

JMintzer 07-20-2023 07:08 PM

And it does include this:

SS.912.AA.1.7

Compare the living conditions of slaves in British North American colonies,
the Caribbean, Central America and South America, including infant
mortality rates.

Benchmark Clarifications:
Clarification 1: Instruction includes the harsh conditions and their consequences on British American plantations (e.g., undernourishment, climate conditions, infant and child mortality rates of the enslaved vs. the free).
Clarification 2: Instruction includes the harsh conditions in the Caribbean plantations (i.e., poor
nutrition, rigorous labor, disease).

But because the list doesn't specifically mention "rape" and "breeding", let's throw it all out...

shaw8700@outlook.com 07-20-2023 09:18 PM

Maybe we drop all public schools and just go with a voucher system. I know this idea will shake everybody up, but think about it, you do away with the teacher’s unions, tenure for teachers, winter/spring/summer breaks. Kids would go to school as many days as parents typically work. It would be like a job for kids! That’s why the Asian kids have a better grasp on their subjects than ours do. Think about it.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-20-2023 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by shaw8700@outlook.com (Post 2237416)
Maybe we drop all public schools and just go with a voucher system. I know this idea will shake everybody up, but think about it, you do away with the teacher’s unions, tenure for teachers, winter/spring/summer breaks. Kids would go to school as many days as parents typically work. It would be like a job for kids! That’s why the Asian kids have a better grasp on their subjects than ours do. Think about it.

They have a better grasp because their parents consider education a top priority for their children. Their education system is completely different, and their teachers are valued much more highly as well.


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