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Rainger99 07-21-2023 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2237417)
They have a better grasp because their parents consider education a top priority for their children. Their education system is completely different, and their teachers are valued much more highly as well.
It isn’t just Asians. I am white and my parents, who didn’t go to college, made sure that I did. My parents grew up in the depression years and my mother told me that education was the key to getting out of poverty. If I had dropped out of high school, I don’t think I would be living in the Villages today.

Why is it that some ethnic groups value education and some don’t?

Two Bills 07-21-2023 03:28 AM
[QUOTE=Rainger99;2237421]It isn’t just Asians. I am white and my parents, who didn’t go to college, made sure that I did. My parents grew up in the depression years and my mother told me that education was the key to getting out of poverty. If I had dropped out of high school, I don’t think I would be living in the Villages today.

Why is it that some ethnic groups value education and some don’t?[/QUOTE]

Asian children are driven by parents to succeed, especially sons.
If their children do well, the parents will have a good old age.
Basically an old age insurance policy.
Our youngest grandsons best friend at junior school was Chinese.
When school finished he went home and did hours of revision.
During school holidays he went to a further education crammer.
He loved coming to play at grandsons house when he was occasionally allowed, as grandson had toys to play with, and he only had educational books.
It is a cultural way of life handed down over centuries.
Children are bought up to look after parents in old age.
Much of western civilization has on the whole, lost that ethic.

Whitley 07-21-2023 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2237382)
It's classified as a YA book. I think it shouldn't be. I think if I saw that in an elementary school library I'd have a word with the librarian just on that one aspect alone, because YA books don't belong in elementary schools in the first place.

I read an actual librarian's review, and it sounds like it shouldn't even be a YA book, though it might be an interesting type of book for 12th graders or college students who are studying feminist literature.

Rather than demand that the school SYSTEM remove the book from all libraries, I'd probably just have a talk with the librarian and point it out to them. Since that's their job - to determine what should or shouldn't be in their library.

I did exactly that when a similar book (based on the same theme in fact) showed up in the kids' section. It was a series, a 3 or 4 book series of the Sleeping Beauty story - by A.N. Roquelaure, also known as Ann Rice. It's a BDSM series that shouldn't be anywhere near minor children. But the librarian had no idea that it was NOT the Sleeping Beauty story she thought it was - until I pointed it out to her. She immediately removed it from the kids' section and stuck it in the office where I'm sure she spent some time deciding what to do about it.
Thank you for the answer. I agree with 99% of what you said. I disagree in that I do not believe we can leave it up to the librarian anymore. I can almost guarantee you that there are librarians on both sides of the extreme who would put inappropriate books on the shelves of grammar schools. Have an excellent Friday.

SusanStCatherine 07-21-2023 12:06 PM
Part-time
 
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Originally Posted by Doctor Who (Post 2236465)
I taught US History for 34 years. I loved my students and the community in which I was employed. At my age I would love to teach two or three classes during a semester. I think I could still relate in spite of the negative attitudes that are expressed by many. Kids are great and have great opportunities ahead of them. Unforunately schools do not hire on a part time basis.
My cousin currently teaches part-time at Ponte Vedra Beach high school in Florida. She's in her 70s. I'm not sure if she transitioned from full-time or not.

Gigi3000 07-21-2023 12:21 PM
There is a push to destroy public education. There are those that want to privatize it. Teachers are well aware of this push. Its not just by coincidence this is all going down.

Pballer 07-21-2023 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2237406)
Odd how you ignore all of the positive things they teach about AA history...

Focusing on ONE "clarification" in ONE minute subsection is a cheap attempt at attacking the FL School system...

BTW, I DID read the link provided...
I don't think that children should be taught that slavery was like trade school, or arts and crafts at summer camp. The Florida school system invites ridicule.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-21-2023 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2237421)
It isn’t just Asians. I am white and my parents, who didn’t go to college, made sure that I did. My parents grew up in the depression years and my mother told me that education was the key to getting out of poverty. If I had dropped out of high school, I don’t think I would be living in the Villages today.

Why is it that some ethnic groups value education and some don’t?
I don't think it's an ethnic group thing. I think it's a cultural thing in whatever country you're referring to. Asia of course - isn't a country. Sadly that's another thing so many Americans don't know. They were taught it, but they didn't care enough to remember it and don't care enough to look it up when it comes up in conversation. There are many ethnic groups in Asia. They don't all put a high value on formal education. But governments and families in many Asian countries emphasize, encourage, and reward those who become well-educated, regardless of the ethnic group the student comes from.

OrangeBlossomBaby 07-21-2023 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2237462)
Thank you for the answer. I agree with 99% of what you said. I disagree in that I do not believe we can leave it up to the librarian anymore. I can almost guarantee you that there are librarians on both sides of the extreme who would put inappropriate books on the shelves of grammar schools. Have an excellent Friday.
Stop politicizing everything. The only thing a librarian should be on the side of, is literacy. That is ALL. Their personal opinion, their political affiliation (or lack thereof) should have NOTHING to do with their job. Ever. Librarians aren't just random people who look for a job and know the Dewey decimal system. It is a very niche specialization that requires a degree in the field. They are taught what should and should not be in the library, before they ever graduate from college.

Leave the content of the libraries up to the librarians. If they make a mistake, point it out to them so they can correct it.

manaboutown 07-21-2023 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2237550)

They are taught what should and should not be in the library, before they ever graduate from college.

Leave the content of the libraries up to the librarians. If they make a mistake, point it out to them so they can correct it.
But who is teaching the librarians what content to select for their libraries, and what is their agenda?

Therein lies the dilemma.

JMintzer 07-21-2023 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Pballer (Post 2237541)
I don't think that children should be taught that slavery was like trade school, or arts and crafts at summer camp. The Florida school system invites ridicule.
They're not... That was ONE minor point in ONE minor section of the curriculum...

If you check out the link, it covers a WIDE variety of topics. The good, the bad and the ugly...

Normal 07-21-2023 03:01 PM
Fifty Shades
 
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 2237563)
But who is teaching the librarians what content to select for their libraries, and what is their agenda?

Therein lies the dilemma.
Obviously, some books need to stay out of our kid’s libraries. Not all books are “50 Shades of Grey”, but there are some who can harm our kids. Age appropriate content filtering is required.

Boomer 07-21-2023 06:51 PM
A friend asked me today if I ever feel like I am living in some alternate universe when hearing news of things like Florida schools being required to teach that slavery was just vocational education.

Every day it is something more incomprehensible than the day before.

Boomer

Pballer 07-21-2023 08:40 PM
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2237573)
They're not... That was ONE minor point in ONE minor section of the curriculum...

If you check out the link, it covers a WIDE variety of topics. The good, the bad and the ugly...
It's not just the trade school depiction of slavery. It's the Board of Education's curriculum of the 1920 Ocoee Florida Massacre - how there was some how fault on both sides. Along with this new curriculum, students should also be required to read George Orwell's novel 1984 so that they may have a better understanding of what exactly they are being fed.


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