Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1956707)

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1956723)

Maybe.

Here is the byline from the article cited:

By Dennis Thompson
HealthDay Reporter

Hardly a bastion of medical science, even though the article also appeared on WebMD.

Also note the so called symptoms are fatigue and brain fog
I just have to wonder how many developed "fatigue and brain fog" when asked to give up their "pay for staying home" and return to work.

Yes, I know that is somewhat cynical, but I can't imagine it doesn't happen.

Then again, it may be 100% correct----we just don't know, and therefore the subject will be a target for extreme ideas.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1956742)

And again, maybe

There is no way to quantify fatigue, brain fog and loss of taste/smell. It is 100% subjective. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means we don't know

It's sort of like the guy in a car accident complaining of back pain and can't work. His x-rays, CT and MRI are all negative, the neurologist finds nothing objective, neither does the orthopedist. So now he goes to 2 places----a chiropractor (yuk) and Dan Newlin while he applies for SSDI. He goes to court for disability with testimony from the chiropractor (again yuk), conveniently not presenting the x rays, CTs, MRIs, nor the opinion of the orthopedist or neurologist as evidence. The judge then grants him disability, and the rest of us are supporting him for the rest of his life (or until age 65).
The last one of these I got drawn into I later saw working on the roof of a building hauling 75 pound bundles of shingles up a 20 foot ladder.

So the moral of the story is we still don't know. But from experience, I always look at these cases where there is substantial secondary gain with a jaded eye.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1957121)

Why speak of someone you have no first hand experience with.
I have 3 family members (yes they all work) who have long-term effects from the virus.
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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1957119)

Really…… obviously you don’t know what you’re talking about. This is really I know because my daughter has been suffering with this since January (yes she works) been to the doctors countless time to get IV bags and B12 shots. This has really taken a toll on her.
So shhhh about what you don’t know.

Originally Posted by Eg_cruz (Post 1957121)

For someone who does not know you sure have a lot of opinions on the subject.
Why speak of someone you have no first hand experience with.
I have 3 family members (yes they all work) who have long-term effects from the virus.
Guess this is what happens when a virus is made in a lab.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1956707)

This is for you JMintzer. In another thread that was CLOSED, you asked for a link siting the percentage of Covid survivors who develop long haul side effects. Here is an article...........

A Third of COVID Survivors Have Long-Haul Symptoms

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957124)

Really?---let's see-----

I am retired professor of Internal Medicine at the University of New York, Chief of Staff at a 350 bed hospital, former Chairman of both the Pharmacy and Therapeutics Committee and the Quality Assurance Committee. Oh yes, and education wise I have a BS in microbiology with published papers and received high honors in both virology and epidemiology in medical school.

And your credentials are.......wait for it......you have a family member who claims to have some symptoms.

Now do you want to continue the debate over "who doesn't know what they are talking about"? At this point you should just cry "uncle" because you'll lose badly

And btw, I never said it couldn't happen----the operative word was MAYBE, and I never referred to a specific person. Perhaps you should brush up on reading comprehension before trying to engage in a medical debate with an expert.

Originally Posted by drducat (Post 1957139)

So...What do you think of this study from Japan. Granted it covers the vaccine... however...would this apply also to the long term issues with the virus with sleen, liver, etc retaining the spike protein? https://files.catbox.moe/0vwcmj.pdf

Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 1957154)

Just sharing another pre-peer reviewed (limited) data point - information only.

COVID affects nearly all organs
A pre-peer reviewed study examined tissue samples from autopsies of patients who passed away from COVID, and found that SARS-CoV-2 was present in nearly all organs.

This helps explain how multiple organ systems are affected in severe COVID. Read at medRxiv.

Multisystemic cellular tropism of SARS-CoV-2 in autopsies of COVID-19 patients | medRxiv

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1956742)

And again, maybe

There is no way to quantify fatigue, brain fog and loss of taste/smell. It is 100% subjective. That doesn't mean it isn't true, it just means we don't know

It's sort of like the guy in a car accident complaining of back pain and can't work. His x-rays, CT and MRI are all negative, the neurologist finds nothing objective, neither does the orthopedist. So now he goes to 2 places----a chiropractor (yuk) and Dan Newlin while he applies for SSDI. He goes to court for disability with testimony from the chiropractor (again yuk), conveniently not presenting the x rays, CTs, MRIs, nor the opinion of the orthopedist or neurologist as evidence. The judge then grants him disability, and the rest of us are supporting him for the rest of his life (or until age 65).
The last one of these I got drawn into I later saw working on the roof of a building hauling 75 pound bundles of shingles up a 20 foot ladder.

So the moral of the story is we still don't know. But from experience, I always look at these cases where there is substantial secondary gain with a jaded eye.

Originally Posted by Becca9800 (Post 1957067)

Please provide that link again, it is not included in the now closed thread. I'm sincerely interested in understanding why/how you could make such a claim.