Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1957210)

And we also have teens having heart problems AFTER getting the shot (not a vaccine). So, it is reasonable for someone to make the decision to steer clear of the shot.

Originally Posted by oneclickplus (Post 1957265)

Well, keep in mind that after the human trials (on most of the US population and much of the world) are finished, you can always decide to get the shot if that's what you want. However, if you get the shot now and find out later (when the trials are done) that there is a major downside, you can't "un-get" it.
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By the way, it has been determined now that I had COVID-19 in February 2020 (anti-body test). My experience was a short flu-like event; fever for 2-3 days. Did not lose smell / taste. No lasting effects of any kind. Apparently, my wife was also infected but had no symptoms then or later. So, while the FDA / CDC / NIH / blah blah blah will not say that survivors continue to have immunity, I think the fact that I have been around many infected people over the last 16 months speaks for itself. Spent 6 hours in a car with my wife's sister (who we later learned was infected at the time) and did not get re-infected ourselves. I'm quite sure we are immune. I'm 64, wife is 60.

And, I don't give any weight to the "asymptomatic spreader" message. The common flu and common cold can also be acquired from someone without symptoms; and, yes, the common flu can and does KILL every year. I never got the annual flu shot and never ever got the flu. I also don't remember anyone ever pressuring me to get a flu shot or trying to guilt me into doing so "for others"; or calling me selfish for not getting a flu shot. It's just nonsense. Look around at all the people who got the shot and still think they are at risk from this thing - they wear masks while alone in the car; they insist others get the shot when they themselves are theoretically protected; they worry about wearing a mask (themselves & others); they won't get on a cruise ship unless every plays by their rules; they are indoctrinated. I refuse to be indoctrinated.

To paraphrase one of my favorite people: "If you are vaccinated, act like it".

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1957451)

Not totally disagreeing with you , BUT how do you know this information if the virus has only been around for such a short time? How would children develop "holes in the heart" so fast? I am not an expert, so I would be very interested in how you determined this major piece of information.
Sounds like an "Urban Legend" to me.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957499)

Holes in the lungs. Hearts are enlarged. You misread.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1957481)

And recent studies show that the current vaccines are just as effective against the DELTA variant...

Did you know that?

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1957472)

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 1957478)

Yet you insist on arguing with those who have studied it A LOT...

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957484)

That whole rant is so far off base that I'm not even going to bother to respond. Chiropractors fill a need between doctors and nurses?????? You didn't seriously state that? Oops, I responded (a little bit)

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957511)

It is economically obvious. If chiropractors did NOT fill a need no one would pay them and they would cease to exist. I could accuse you of elitism but that would be TOO EASY. And I don't want to go all middle school with insults. PLEASE! Chiropractors fill a void between nurses and doctors for many MILLIONS of people through the years. I doubt that they would insult you, as you did them?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957485)

Holes in the lungs????? Just what is a "hole in the lung"???? And that is "well known"??? In what universe?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957486)

I'm sure that's true of the population in general. However, when you get down to the patients that are complaining of subjective symptoms and "can't work", you are down to a few legitimate cases and a whole bunch who are looking for secondary gain. I've been through this game a thousand times.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957514)

A perforation........does that seem more impressive than "holes". I am just relaying information that I heard on normal, well-trusted by-normal-people TV. You look it up - you have more access to Medical journals than I do. I did NOT say that I was a lung EXPERT.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957516)

And you know so much more than anyone else!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957523)

Thanks but NO thanks. I will concede your obvious medical terminology superiority - if you will CONCEDE that I have NO reason to LIE, when I say that what I said about hearts and lungs - I got from conventional, well-respected TV channels. It was on more than once.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957526)

Well, you ARE leading in insults. But a middle school kid would be beating you like a drum.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957493)

The Flu has NOT killed over 600,000 people in a year.

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1957521)

I know about physician's assistants - And Historically I know that they did not exist in great numbers around 1950. That's when chiropractors were the ONLY ones covering that LARGE in-between area. Doctors of that time did NOT want their cozy high paying jobs AND POWER / POWER threatened by nurses and physical therapists that were 90% as competent as the average Doctor. Doctors GRUDGINGLY came to accept nurse practitioners and women Doctors also!

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1957513)

OK, it must be time for medical organization education class.

IF there is a void between nurses and doctors, it is filled by nurse practitioners and physician assistants.

The only void chiropractors fill are between the first and second sounds out of a duck's mouth

And I'm still waiting to find out what "a hole in the lung" is