Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1975832)

A simple reality check is that pot can cause you to go to jail

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1975877)

"A simple reality check is that pot can cause you to go to jail."


Umm, I think that is the whole premise of this thread. The real question is, should people go to jail for using or possession of pot? I'm in the camp that thinks we need to sharply increase the consequences of a DUI, any DUI, including even prescribed drugs that warn of impairment, pot (if it can be proved that they're actually "under the influence" and not just in the system from a few days ago), painkillers, etc., whereby the first conviction is $5,000 and a mandatory 3 months in jail. No passing go, no community service and no exceptions.

Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1975877)

"A simple reality check is that pot can cause you to go to jail."


Umm, I think that is the whole premise of this thread. The real question is, should people go to jail for using or possession of pot? I'm in the camp that thinks we need to sharply increase the consequences of a DUI, any DUI, including even prescribed drugs that warn of impairment, pot (if it can be proved that they're actually "under the influence" and not just in the system from a few days ago), painkillers, etc., whereby the first conviction is $5,000 and a mandatory 3 months in jail. No passing go, no community service and no exceptions.

Originally Posted by DaddyD (Post 1975301)

Fantasy drugs? What are you talking about??

You see "the many forms of cocaine be(ing) decriminalized"? What are these "many forms" you are referring to?

There's no denying that those that can afford good legal representation get lighter sentences than those that cannot, and that historically, people of color who were charged with the possession (most often) for the "crack" form of cocaine, received much harsher / lengthier prison sentences than white / caucasian defendants who most often were charged with possession of "powder" cocaine.

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1975887)

Well they could always send them to pot rehab.

oh wait...

there's no such thing.

Why's that? Maybe because - there's no need for it.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1975265)

Hmm, sorry but I disagree, most of those are not facts.

Hmm.


It is a mind-altering drug - uh, yes, which is the point of pointing out that there are many mind-altering drugs that are legal, and so, people question what is MJ illegal if those other drugs are legal.

It is NOT to justify the usage, it is to show the hypocrisy of sucking down a couple of Manhattans and killing a family out riding in their golf cart by drunk driving home. But then being totally against someone smoking a joint in their own house and pigging out on pizza.

It is not a gateway drug, it has been shown that those that move on to hard drugs, started on MJ because it was easier to obtain and it introduced them to the shady pusher who gets them hooked on the hard stuff. Those that do progress to hard drugs almost always have other issues that lead to it.

You could just as easily say that Aspirin is a gateway drug, that leads to prescription opioids.

Effects on the brain - again, the hypocrisy here is the problem. We are okay with thousands of deaths and brain damage from Alcohol, but MJ has to be illegal even though there are no deaths from MJ overdose and the brain damage is significantly less than that caused by the beers and vodka the kids are drinking.

Yes, it IS against the law, which is the point of this thread, we are discussing why and if it should be legalized. Saying it is against the law is a reason to not legalize it is kind of "interesting".

'It can and does impact family relationships " - hmm, even hear of mean drunks? Ever hear - I am sorry darling, I only slept with them because I was drunk.

That is enough - you get the idea.

Seriously, if you look over your list of negatives, it is a testimony to making alcohol illegal, since in every item you list, alcohol is worse, and yet still legal.

Are you in favor of the prohibition of Alcohol? If not, why not?

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1975910)

Funny thing about pot heads, they say it not addictive and I can quit anytime. But, they never do. Also any smoke inhaling into lungs may not be good in the golden years.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1975912)

They tried that. How did that work out? Only the weak needs the crutch of alcohol and drugs that get person high cause they can’t deal with reality.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1975914)

The funny thing about potheads is when they can't get their pot they DONT go into withdrawal, like alcoholics, heroin, and opiate addicts.

The funny thing about people who drink alcohol, they say they can quit any time, but they never do.

Smoking pot is only one way people use it, there are many more, like edibles, tinctures, topicals.

And yet, pot is classified as a Schedule 1 Controlled substance act. And alcohol and addictive substance that will kill you if you over dose is legally available to anyone who wants it.

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1975915)

Only the weak?

So, anything someone that is weak wants should be illegal?

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1975912)

They tried that. How did that work out? Only the weak needs the crutch of alcohol and drugs that get person high cause they can’t deal with reality.

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1975961)

Your sleeping better because you have numbed your mind, and lost reality.

Originally Posted by DaddyD (Post 1975301)

Fantasy drugs? What are you talking about??

You see "the many forms of cocaine be(ing) decriminalized"? What are these "many forms" you are referring to?

There's no denying that those that can afford good legal representation get lighter sentences than those that cannot, and that historically, people of color who were charged with the possession (most often) for the "crack" form of cocaine, received much harsher / lengthier prison sentences than white / caucasian defendants who most often were charged with possession of "powder" cocaine.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1975912)

They tried that. How did that work out? Only the weak needs the crutch of alcohol and drugs that get person high cause they can’t deal with reality.

Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1972773)

I'm a live and let live kind of guy. Don't much care what one does in the privacy of their own home. As long as they don't get high and drive or become an otherwise public nuisance, I'm fine with it.

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1975917)

You can over dose on water 💧. It don’t make difference if you crave it you’re going to have it no matter what the cost or the law says. IMO they need to legalize all of it. That way no need for the illegal underground.

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1972760)

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

Originally Posted by RICH1 (Post 1976118)

I forgot what I was going to say

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1976149)

No, do not legalize it, period!

Consider this:
For the past decade or two, there has been all kinds of bans on smoking tobacco in public and even in BARS. And yet, now folks want to legalize smoking MJ.
Smoking tobacco causes cancer. So does smoking MJ.
Smoking tobacco smells like crap. MJ much more so.
Need MJ for medicine? Get it without the THC and you won't get high but still get the pain reliever.
Quit comparing it with alcohol. That is an unreasonable rationalization and attempt to justify another wrong. And your momma told you that two wrongs do not make a right.
DUI/DWI when using MJ is hard to prosecute because the test is time consuming and costly. Alcohol tests are not.
MJ slows down brain function. That's not only dangerous to you but to others.

I agree with the poster that said the use of MJ is for the weak. However, CBD can be used as a pain killer without the mind bending affects.

Nope, I would not legalize it. If you want to compare it with alcohol, then outlaw alcohol also for all I care.
Taxing and enforcing these things is just a cop out.

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin (Post 1976279)

Anti-freedom much? Maybe we should ban those who don't believe one is free to choose their own type of relaxant. I hope you don't drink coffee because coffee is a brain simulant. There is nothing worse than the smell of stale coffee.

We did ban alcohol once, and it created domestic alcohol cartels. Remember Al Capone? They also banned marijuana at the same time and look at all the foreign cartels we created while our dollars escaped to foreign countries and our hard earned tax dollars wasted on a useless war on drugs. How much has that costs us?

You said, "Quit comparing it with alcohol. That is an unreasonable rationalization and attempt to justify another wrong." No, it's not. Alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana. And tobacco is much more dangerous. As long as marijuana or alcohol is banned, people will still get it. Is it not better to keep money within a community, than to see it sent somewhere else?

And your comment about people who use marijuana being weak is a weak opinion, not based on anything but your own belief system.

Israel Scientific Study: Cannabis Safe and Effective for Regular Use in the Elderly; Can Decrease the Use of Other Prescription Medicines, Including Opioids

Originally Posted by Ben Franklin (Post 1976279)

Anti-freedom much? Maybe we should ban those who don't believe one is free to choose their own type of relaxant. I hope you don't drink coffee because coffee is a brain simulant. There is nothing worse than the smell of stale coffee.

We did ban alcohol once, and it created domestic alcohol cartels. Remember Al Capone? They also banned marijuana at the same time and look at all the foreign cartels we created while our dollars escaped to foreign countries and our hard earned tax dollars wasted on a useless war on drugs. How much has that costs us?

You said, "Quit comparing it with alcohol. That is an unreasonable rationalization and attempt to justify another wrong." No, it's not. Alcohol is much more dangerous than marijuana. And tobacco is much more dangerous. As long as marijuana or alcohol is banned, people will still get it. Is it not better to keep money within a community, than to see it sent somewhere else?

And your comment about people who use marijuana being weak is a weak opinion, not based on anything but your own belief system.

Israel Scientific Study: Cannabis Safe and Effective for Regular Use in the Elderly; Can Decrease the Use of Other Prescription Medicines, Including Opioids

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1972760)

I read that 75% of Americans support the decriminalization of the use of Marijuana.

Do you?

Originally Posted by Dana1963 (Post 1976371)

There isn’t as much of a problem as this recent statute “ On Thursday, May 13, Florida's Gov. Ron DeSantis signed Senate Bill 148 into law which permanently allows restaurants to sell alcoholic beverages for to-go and delivery — with some caveats. ... Drinks sold to-go cannot be larger than 32 ounces, cannot be factory sealed, and delivery orders of alcohol must come with food.”

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1976569)

Have you noticed that not one of these Pot Heads mentioned the children and the impact on their brain and general mental health. That's because they don't care about the youths they only care about their selfish wants. They are a good representation of the fall in the US IQ. The average decrease in an individual's IQ who uses pot is about 5.8%. Now think of the youth's who are growing up who are using. The mental and physical impact to the kids is huge BUT these pot heads who continue to explain how good it makes them feel are the bottom feeders of society. The ones who lie to the Dr. to gain legal access to the drug are making a mockery of the patients who actually need the drug because of their disease. The next time someone brags how they use the drug don't smile like your approving of their behavior but rather walk away. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1976569)

Have you noticed that not one of these Pot Heads mentioned the children and the impact on their brain and general mental health. That's because they don't care about the youths they only care about their selfish wants. They are a good representation of the fall in the US IQ. The average decrease in an individual's IQ who uses pot is about 5.8%. Now think of the youth's who are growing up who are using. The mental and physical impact to the kids is huge BUT these pot heads who continue to explain how good it makes them feel are the bottom feeders of society. The ones who lie to the Dr. to gain legal access to the drug are making a mockery of the patients who actually need the drug because of their disease. The next time someone brags how they use the drug don't smile like your approving of their behavior but rather walk away. :ohdear:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1976599)

1. I'm not a pothead.
2. I don't use THC at all, in any capacity, any delivery system. It has no place in my life.
3. I gave my CBD cream to my mom for her knee aches. I use prescription-strength Voltaren now, it's cheaper and seems to be more effective.
4. I am, and have always been, PRO-CHOICE. Pro choice on who someone can love and marry, pro-choice on what a woman can do with her own body, pro-choice on whether someone should or should not join the armed services, pro-choice on whether someone should or should not vaccinate, pro-choice on whether a business should or should not allow unvaccinated people through their doors, and pro-choice on the use of cannabis. With one caveat: The choice is for ADULTS. Not children. Parents need to be responsible for their children.

If a child is suffering from the ravages of chemo and radiation to treat cancer, then a parent SHOULD ABSOLUTELY consider providing THC to their child. It's a no-brainer.

A child should not be using ANY substances for recreational use. Not cannabis, not alcohol, mushrooms, peyote, kratom, oxycodone, LSD, or anything else. Things that are legal, and things that are not legal. None of them should be used recreationally by children. But that would change your narrative. You want to vilify one substance because kids can get their hands on it. But you want to dismiss all OTHER things kids already get their hands on, some of which are actually legal or unregulated, because they don't fit the neat little propaganda box you've chosen to hide yourself into. Probably while sipping your beer.

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1976643)

So what we have here is the IQ drops more for Alcohol than pot? Now there is a good statement justifying pot? Then we have pro-choice. Of course a youngster does not have a pro choice consideration, it is see what my dad does so I guess I can? Lets go to the next intelligent contribution because MJ does not metabolize like alcohol then it is better to use. Of course no mention of other forms of death then metabolizing? And the famous lets compare pot to alcohol. Every Counselor in the world hears this when someone wants to justify the youth using pot rather than alcohol and trying to make it appear that pot is not an addictive drug? Then there is using labels like a "rant" against pot? That is a label and indicates the author can't think of better personal attacks andthan sticking to the point? The ironic part of this is again using the old and worn argument that pot is better than alcohol. Kind of indicates a need for a more creative mind.? Very experienced Addiction expert with over 30 years of experience in the field
once said to me to don't bother with trying to change the mind of the addicts. They want to use or they would get out of the addiction. These are some prime examples why I
am wasting time. The children suffer from the ignorance of the impact of drugs on their mental and physical conditions. Lets never stop trying to improve our society and the ones who will be the next generation.!!:ho:

Originally Posted by PennBF (Post 1976643)

So what we have here is the IQ drops more for Alcohol than pot? Now there is a good statement justifying pot? Then we have pro-choice. Of course a youngster does not have a pro choice consideration, it is see what my dad does so I guess I can? Lets go to the next intelligent contribution because MJ does not metabolize like alcohol then it is better to use. Of course no mention of other forms of death then metabolizing? And the famous lets compare pot to alcohol. Every Counselor in the world hears this when someone wants to justify the youth using pot rather than alcohol and trying to make it appear that pot is not an addictive drug? Then there is using labels like a "rant" against pot? That is a label and indicates the author can't think of better personal attacks andthan sticking to the point? The ironic part of this is again using the old and worn argument that pot is better than alcohol. Kind of indicates a need for a more creative mind.? Very experienced Addiction expert with over 30 years of experience in the field
once said to me to don't bother with trying to change the mind of the addicts. They want to use or they would get out of the addiction. These are some prime examples why I
am wasting time. The children suffer from the ignorance of the impact of drugs on their mental and physical conditions. Lets never stop trying to improve our society and the ones who will be the next generation.!!:ho:

Originally Posted by GrumpyOldMan (Post 1976665)

You misinterpreted almost every comment.

The comparison to alcohol is purely to question the hypocrisy of allowing alcohol to be legal while keeping a less dangerous substance on the schedule 1 list.

So, I can assume you are in favor of the prohibition of all mind-altering drugs and do not use any mind-altering substances.