IMO tiger’s biggest mistake was hanging around with the pro basketball players.

I agree, Tiger living through that wreck is the best advertisement, for safety, that car could have.

Cost is why. Crome moly tubing not cheap.

Plus the laid back A pillar’s which I dislike

Tiger has the highest of highs and the lowest of lows....I would not trade to be him for a billion dollars

Glad he is safe. His son is going to be a great golfer also.

Excessive speed and possible under the influence of narcotics (even if they were prescribed)!

"... No tire markings on pavement ..."

What markings occur with anti-locking brake technology ?

That's what I'm wondering too?

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good point. I did not think of that - and the LEOs reported there were no pavement skid marks...

but with that point and the right leg injuries to Tiger>
PERHAPS that is what occured...

Very high speed and out of control - Tiger applies the brakes extremely hard - no skid anti lock brakes - rollovers - leg still extended on brake pedal - slam slam slam. Impacts over, and air bags and seatlbelt saved his life, but his right leg...

Thanks to all on the Thread who had provided good points!
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God isn’t finished with Tiger yet. How he survived at all is miraculous. The doctors are saying that he will never play competitive golf at his current level ever again. I hope they are wrong. He scratched his way out of a scandal and humbled himself and he has had numerous surgeries to his back, so he changed his swing. I pray he works hard in rehab when the time comes. His legacy is already set in stone as one of the greatest golfers that ever stepped foot on a course. He may never win another major, but I hope he returns to the game he loves. I have learned that you never know how strong you are until being strong is the only choice you have.

Read this thread to see how false information, innuendo, speculation creates fake news, which as far as many are concerned becomes the truth!:ohdear:

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yep.

I'd don't like to use the word "typical", but it IS on this Forum as you probably know.

We're all human and some of us jump to conclusions, unknowingly provide invalid or incorrect information, feel we are "experts", and IMO the worst---the "know-it-alls" who feel they must continually post on & on & on and pick at EVERYTHING. I think we know some of these folks...

Our ToTV Forum is a microcosm of the country and the world.
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Why seriously doubt that anyone would buy a vehicle like his? Not his BTW - a loaner. Actually, we own 2 genesis' and considering STILL trading the older one in for the SUV. It's a fantastic car brand.

I am happy that as of this moment it seems that Tiger wasn't wrecked. For the rest of his life he will have to prove himself in every jam he gets into because of past practice and I believe that it is rightfully so that he has to.

Has he gotten behind the wheel under the influence of something several times? Yupper! He hopefully will chill out after this experience. If I could prescribe something to help him it would be some kind of a 12 step program that he attends because he wants to not because a judge tells him to. It would be great if he could get a hold of the fact that even though he is Tiger Woods that he is really just a small fish in a big bowl. His bones break and he bleeds and worries like everyone else. Calm down with the big houses, the flashy women, and the self-importance.

I speak from experience. I lost my way for a while after my father passed away. Seems the same thing might have occurred here.

This situation made me think of Kobe Bryant. If he wasn't so rich he wouldn't have been in a helicopter he would have been on a miserable highway in California next to someone possibly named Kevin Bryant and still be alive today. They should all slow down and chill a little.

I wish him and especially his children a better future together. I wish the same thing for Kobe's family.

Who specifically and what kind of trouble did he get into with them?

So you pick one line out of my post and focus on that. I said that the fact that others didn't isn't an excuse. I only say because it's not unusual behavior. There are plenty of people that have done a lot worse things than Tiger but you hardly ever hear about them. Living in a fishbowl makes everything he does seem worse.

I'm not excusing his behavior. I'm only pointing out that he gets criticized a lot because everything he does makes news. On the other hand millions of people all over the world are praying for him.

As an owner of a GV80, I can say it's a phenomenal vehicle with a ton of safety features. I have no idea what caused his injuries, but if I had to guess, it would be the engine pushing into the cabin.

There is nothing unusual that I can tell about the console that would cause problems that wouldn't occur in any other similar sized SUV.

What I can also say is that the the lane keep assist may be an accident waiting to happen. It will sometimes pull quickly to the right when the lines in the road change, i.e. when a new lane to the right comes up. If you're not completely paying attention, you could easily drive off into the ditch when that lane is short. It almost happened to me when I was on the initial test drive. I now only use that feature on the highway.

Until now, I never realized The Villages has an extremely large population of accident reconstruction experts.

About 7-8 years ago we were taking our kids to the airport in very light traffic, traveling in the right lane. A pickup truck towing a horse trailer in front of us suddenly cut across three lanes from the right lane to enter the service area (where the trooper barracks are). The truck made it into the entrance ramp, but the trailer was still on the road. A Mini Cooper in the left lane going (our guess) around the speed limit plowed into the side of the trailer and "exploded" in a cloud of glass and rolled not sure how many times into the parking area. We had to continue, figuring to stop on our way home if we could answer any questions as witnesses.

A trooper stopped us as we approached in the parking lot, and we explained that we had witnessed the accident and nervously asked about the car's driver. "He's right over there. You can talk to him" He was emptying personal items from the destroyed car, before it was pulled onto a flat bed. We told him we saw the accident, and seeing that he was alive and not injured, we said that we didn't think anyone could survive that accident.

He answered by saying that at the moment of impact, he didn't think he would survive either! "The airbags, the airbags" he kept repeating. The two horses were out of the trailer, grazing next to the fence. The driver of the pickup said that she made a sudden decision to stop at the service area and never saw the Mini Cooper.

We couldn't believe it. We still can't.

The real story of Tiger Woods ,,,,,,, Coverage of Tiger Woods' car crash ignores reality

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Well DUH, if you saw the vehicle, he's lucky he's alive at all!!!! There are no airbags down where the legs are so that part of the car caves in and you can see that it did just that.

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please don't 'duh' - some folks can be so demeaning behind that keyboard.. Did you read my prior posts - there IS a driver's knee air bag in that Genesis model. yet again, another automotive and accident expert. and apparently yet again, someone that jumps to a conclusion without review the posts.
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I only know that the police report said his tests found nothing in the way of drugs or alcohol, and it was an accident.

You seem to be the one with the crystal ball..

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News from 3/2/2021

Sheriff executes search warrant for black box from Tiger Woods' crashed car.

The Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department has executed a search warrant to obtain data from the “black box” in the car that was crashed last week by famed golfer Tiger Woods, sheriff’s personnel confirmed Tuesday to USA TODAY Sports.

But the sheriff’s department has decided not to seek a warrant to obtain Woods’ blood to help determine whether he was under the influence of medication at the time of the crash Feb. 23.

To obtain such a warrant for the black box, law enforcement is required to establish there was probable cause that a crime was committed, even if it’s just a misdemeanor.

A sheriff’s deputy Tuesday downplayed the warrant as a routine part of their probe. He said he didn’t consider it a criminal investigation, but rather due diligence. The affidavit that the sheriff’s department used to establish such probable cause was not immediately available.

Cherney and other accident reconstruction experts told USA TODAY Sports that the evidence indicates Woods wasn’t paying attention when he left his lane and kept going straight instead of sticking with his lane as it curved right. He instead went over the curb through a median, knocked down a sign, went into opposing lanes, then went off the road, hit a tree and rolled over in a single-car crash.

After hitting the initial curb, he traveled about 400 feet in a relative straight line without apparent evidence of steering out of it or braking in the form of skid marks. If he had been looking down at his phone momentarily, the theory is that he wouldn’t travel that far in a straight line without trying to steer out of it or without leaving more evidence of braking on the road.
Cherney, who walked the crash scene after it happened, said it looked like a classic case of being asleep at the wheel.

“You can probably tell that if he slammed on his brakes after jumping the divider he would not have traveled as far, would not have as much damage to the front of his car and would not have had as extensive injuries to his foot all because he would have reduced his vehicle’s speed,“ Cherney said.

Sheriff Alex Villanueva last week said the crash was “purely an accident.”

However, the sheriff’s department tempered that somewhat Tuesday after USA TODAY Sports asked the basis of that conclusion.

“The Sheriff spoke about the information known at that time, and said it appeared to be a traffic accident,” the department said in a statement. “However, the traffic collision investigation is (on)going and traffic investigators have not made any conclusions as to the cause of the collision.”

Schloegl confirmed the black-box data has been downloaded but didn’t reveal its contents. The data from it typically can show the vehicle’s speed, steering angle, brake and acceleration activity before impact.

“As far as getting a warrant or getting the download from the car, we just do it automatically,” Schloegl said. “We want answers, so that’s the route we take.”

He said Genesis has taken possession of the vehicle.

“We’re done with it,” he said. “We’ve got everything we need.”
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It's a fool's errand to try to explain injuries in such a crash. Crashes become complicated very quickly. Our cars are designed to pass certain criteria in specific tests. In the real world things are not as cut and dried.

The crashed suv photo shows a relatively intact vehicle with crumpled ends that are designed to crumple. The exact how and why of the man's injuries are of no consequence to anyone but him. I certainly would not lay blame on the vehicle without a thorough investigation report by an expert.

There is probably a lot more to story than we know.

I see trouble coming.

I was really sad to hear about this crash and wish for a fast, speedy and complete recovery for Tiger.

Maybe, Sheriff’s office trying to find black box

Actually from that picture angle don’t look that bad.

Because you are stomping on the brake pedal with such force that when you collide, your right leg gets messed up from the sudden compression force.

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This, along with other suppositions, will be answered in due time. Fortunately the vehicle had the latest vehicle monitoring system (black box) which the authorities have already downloaded the data. It will should many of the vehicle's parameters prior to and during the crash - INCLUDING brake application.

Personally, I DO hope that Tiger is "exonerated". As some noted, he has had his ups/downs - and the 'downs' were totally on him. So the best outcome IMO would be for all the crash evidence to show that Tiger simply was speeding on unfamilar roads, with NO indication of substance abuse, 'falling asleep' etc, lost control and the primary injuries were caused by extreme forces of braking during the impacts. ...his life goes on as well as a long road of recovery and therapy and rehab - and hopefully back to Pro golf.
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Even with the most highly advanced black box technology there is going to be a limit as to what the black box will reveal. The authorities already know that Tiger was speeding and there are no signs that he attempted to apply the breaks. Of course, if the vehicle went airborne directly after hitting the median strip and flew across the roadway and into the brush then there wouldn't be skid marks on the road. The fact that he had such extensive injuries in his right leg does seem to indicate that he was bracing himself against the brake pedal.

I don't think that Tiger fell asleep behind the wheel, I think he was speeding and misjudged a curve in the road. The authorities have mentioned that accidents happen at that curve from time to time.

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The LATEST -

Tiger Woods never hit the brakes during car wreck, investigation reveals
Officials have said there was no evidence he was impaired at the time

The investigation into Tiger Woods’ horrific car wreck last month that left him with serious leg injuries has revealed that the pro golfer did not hit the brakes as he lost control of the car, according to reports.

Sources told TMZ in a report published Saturday that investigators believe Woods never hit the brakes as his car veered off a roadway near the border of Rolling Hills Estates and Rancho Palos Verdes in late February.

TIGER WOODS DID NOT GET ‘DIFFERENT TREATMENT’ FROM AUTHORITIES AFTER CRASH, SHERIFF SAYS

Investigators also said there was no evidence to suggest that Woods ever even took his foot off the gas.
The Los Angeles Sheriff’s Department reportedly executed a search warrant to retrieve data from the black box that was in the 2021 Genesis SUV Woods was driving at the time of the wreck.

Officials have said there was no evidence he was impaired at the time of the crash.
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...so if that is true - how did his right leg get so mangled??
we'll see as more comes out.
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.Tiger Woods never hit the brakes during car wreck, investigation reveals | Fox News
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My son had a wreck in 2011 and broke his tibia & libia. He too has screws, a plate & a rod. He was not allowed to put any weight on it. He was going to college at the time and we rented a power chair because of hills. Finally three months later he had to have PT for a couple of months because he could not walk.
It was very tough for him but as a parent you suffer as well.

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Let the REAL SUSPICIONS really begin now. I like Tiger, and hope that he recovers quickly and fully. Not sure what the CA legalities are regarding this, but IF the "permission" is not given, the questions and assumptions will be rampant.>

TIGER WOODS Published 40 mins ago
Cause of Tiger Woods' car crash determined,
but truth may never be revealed
The golf great is recovering from multiple surgeries in Florida

The cause of Tigers Woods’ car crash last month has been determined.

However, the Los Angeles County sheriff said that detectives would not release details of the crash on Wednesday due to privacy concerns for Woods, who suffered significant injuries in the Feb. 23 crash.

"A cause has been determined, the investigation has concluded," Villanueva said during a live social media event on Wednesday. He added that investigators need permission from Woods to release the information.

"We have reached out to Tiger Woods and his personnel," Villanueva continued. "There's some privacy issues on releasing information on the investigation so we're going to ask them if they waive the privacy and then we will be able to do a full release on all the information regarding the accident."

The Associated Press reported that it reached out to Woods’ agent, Mark Steinberg, but he did not respond to an email for comment as of Wednesday afternoon. According to Greg Risling, a spokesperson from the Los Angeles County district attorney, no complaints against Woods have been filed to their office involving Woods and the crash.

"We have all the contents of the black box, we’ve got everything," Villanueva said. "It’s completed, signed, sealed, and delivered. However, we can’t release it without the permission of the people involved in the collision."
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F.o.i.a ?