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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 596392)

I was attempting to be at the general level. On your specific, OK ban all the what ever makes y'all happy...assault, semi automatic, high capacty, etc, etc, etc. accomplish them all or at least what ever it is that will make gun control advocates happy. And let's assume y'all get all ye seek.

My point was the violence exposure will be the same. The results will be the same.....when we allow training (my preferred wording) of youth in the manner of and lack of emotion of killing, murdering, dis-membering, etc......all the changed gun laws are not going to affect the incidence of tragedy. What will be accomplished is removal of one means of doing the deed.

We are talking about a very small percent of even the "trained" to accept killing crowd....the facts of the matter is the more that are trained that small percent = many more incidents.

Call it what you will....we are letting the behavior of our youth be arranged and conditioned to accept the presentation of murdering, killing and mayhem. Repetitive exposure results in learned conditioning.
One only needs to look at the games, the television and movie content, the language, the lack of respect and for too many, no fear of the law.

Guns are only a piece of a very complex puzzle of life and in my opinion too many try to make the puzzle about guns!!!

btk

How do you explain that youth around the world watch the same movies, play the same video games, watch much the same television shows, and get on the same internet as the youth in the US, yet there is such a disparity in the number of homicides per year. It can't be all attributed to lack of respect or no fear of the law.

Gun Deaths - 2011: Japan 48, Great Britain 8, Switzerland 34, Canada 52, Israel 58, Sweden 21, Germany 42, UNITED STATES 10,728 Source NRA

I read a quote recently that said Detroit had 300 some gun deaths in one year, while one mile down the road in (I believe it was London) Ontario Canada there were zero gun deaths that year. Presumably, being so close, these two cities are in the same TV markets and watch the same movies.

Fortunately, the brightest minds in Washington are working on addressing these problems. We've done nothing for too long, now's the time to act.

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 596392)

People that argue against any manner of gun control usually make the argument - Basically, you gun control nuts are too simplistic and you are missing the point. Often followed by some form of guns don't kill people, people kill people. I am in favor of some gun controls, but I, like most people, don't think for a minute that it would forever solve the problem. It might not even lessen the problem, but why not try it? Who not wearing a uniform, needs automatic weapons and armour piercing ammunition for example? Of course the basic problem is with the societal infuences, and recognition and treatment of mental illness. However, to not include some control of weapons and bomb making material is to ignore an inarguable part of the problem.

[QUOTE=janmcn;596398]How do you explain that youth around the world watch the same movies, play the same video games, watch much the same television shows, and get on the same internet as the youth in the US, yet there is such a disparity in the number of homicides per year. It can't be all attributed to lack of respect or no fear of the law.

Gun Deaths - 2011: Japan 48, Great Britain 8, Switzerland 34, Canada 52, Israel 58, Sweden 21, Germany 42, UNITED STATES 10,728 Source NRA

I read a quote recently that said Detroit had 300 some gun deaths in one year, while one mile down the road in (I believe it was London) Ontario Canada there were zero gun deaths that year. Presumably, being so close, these two cities are in the same TV markets and watch the same movies.

Fortunately, the brightest minds in Washington are working on addressing these problems. We've done nothing for too long, now's the time to act.[/QUOTE I think everyone should seriously look into drugs playing a major factor in these cases. Legal and/or illegal partnered w/violent video games causes these kind of violent acts.

This a complex problem that needs some discussion at the governmental level in regards to banning assault weapons to the general public. .

We can make out voices heard and hopefully, some solutions will be implemented. I think guns are a part of our culture and owning a gun should be held by responsible people only. I am against the easy access to assault weapons in the hands of the general public. One child had 11 bullets in them.

I see no reason why a person needs this level of protection. Even hunters don't need a weapon like this to kill an animal.

Will banning assault weapons solve this problem? The answer is no but we can limit the potential for more incidents. IMHO

Access to mental health, curbing violence in the media, movies, video games can help.only. Children should be exposed to learning tools type games and not a toy gun. I have never bought my son a toy gun. Is this simplistic, Possibly yes, but we owe to our children and grandchildren to seek better options.

Off soapbox. :smiley:

Someone should do some research on when video games started to be popular w/young boys and see how many mass shootings since then. I heard today that since 1974 there's been 37 in our country.