"Tarantino tires of defending ultra-violent films after Sandy Hook massacre"....

'Give me a break' - Tarantino tires of defending ultra-violent films after Sandy Hook massacre - News - Films - The Independent

I really do not buy this argument. Some of the world's best read and loved books are extremely violent and the stories told in them would make Tarantino's movies look tame if they were made into movies with the same level of gore. Actually, some of them have been made into movies. The Iliad's Troy. The Bible's The Last Temptation of Christ. The Iliad as well as The Odyssey are full of murders as is The Bible.

There is probably a good argument against some films that greatly overlook the cause and effect of violence and its lifetime's influence on the people who go through it. There are many exellent movies that tell this in very realistic terms. Unforgiven for instance is great in how in describes the battle between good and evil (and the shades of both) and the very real scars created in the bodies and souls of those in that struggle. http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/1041911-unforgiven/#

in my opinion it is not the occassional read that most of today's youth (3-25) wouldn't pick up or have the slightest interest in the first place.

The problem is the steady, complete immersion and exposure of our youth to violent games far too many of which are based on mass killing, using automatic weapons....movies that show the same as well as beheading, dismembering, torture, you name it.....television that is not far behind movies in the violence and manner of presentation.....the language and attitude that has eveolved from these exposures as well as the permissive attitudes of younger parents.....

Violence has been an accepted mode of entertainment for the last 20 (or more years). If exposure is a learning methodology why do some think our youth can be surrounded day in and day out with violence as the underlying theme, learning how to kill/murder, showing no remorse to only go on to the next killing.....then why is it a surprise when members of that same youth turn around and do it in real life?

It is not a surprise. And why doesn't anything get done about it? Because prior generations that also grew up in that same environment are now the parents, managers at work, politicians, etc. They will not take steps to eliminate what they too have become accustomed to and have an investment in it to be continued.

How about an example.....you have heard of MADD...mothers against drunk driving....credited with one of the most successful campaigns against drinking.....a situation that would and could kill any of us.

Have you ever heard of any similar group against cell phone use or texting while driving?? Of course not. Why? Because the mothers did not have an investment or participation in drunkenness. Cell phones are a very different story. Every mother of today is invested in and participation in using a cell phone or texting while driving. And they sure as hell are not going to promote taking away that which they themselves seem to need to have.......even though the statistics on accidents and deaths due to cell phone use and texting are staggering.

For the very same logic, the ongoing violence exposure and permissive toleration of it in our society, poisoning our youth is too important to them personally, hence nothing gets done. Just imagine what the next couple of generations will spawn as this violence exposure continues as an ACCEPTED element of society.

There is no mystery to the number of acts of violence that take place every single day. And those who waffle around trying to blame it on guns or mental health are looking right past the real reason. Because they too are hooked on what they grew up with.

Gun control will have zero effect....when the day to day "training" of death, murder and kill continues to flood their daily lives.

btk

"Gun control will have zero effect....when the day to day "training" of death, murder and kill continues to flood their daily lives."

The above posting is incorrect. IF the assault type weapons such as AK-47's, AR-15's, streetsweeper shotguns, high capacity magazines, etc. were NOT AVAILABLE for civilian purchase, the limited gun control MIGHT work to some degree. Less damage can be done with a 5 shot shotgun than with a 60 shot drum magazine shotgun and less damage can be done with a 7 round magazine on a rifle than a pair of 60 round banana magazines taped back to back.

The violent movies and video games are to blame to some degree but more so is the easy access to the high capacity weapons.

I was attempting to be at the general level. On your specific, OK ban all the what ever makes y'all happy...assault, semi automatic, high capacty, etc, etc, etc. accomplish them all or at least what ever it is that will make gun control advocates happy. And let's assume y'all get all ye seek.

My point was the violence exposure will be the same. The results will be the same.....when we allow training (my preferred wording) of youth in the manner of and lack of emotion of killing, murdering, dis-membering, etc......all the changed gun laws are not going to affect the incidence of tragedy. What will be accomplished is removal of one means of doing the deed.

We are talking about a very small percent of even the "trained" to accept killing crowd....the facts of the matter is the more that are trained that small percent = many more incidents.

Call it what you will....we are letting the behavior of our youth be arranged and conditioned to accept the presentation of murdering, killing and mayhem. Repetitive exposure results in learned conditioning.
One only needs to look at the games, the television and movie content, the language, the lack of respect and for too many, no fear of the law.

Guns are only a piece of a very complex puzzle of life and in my opinion too many try to make the puzzle about guns!!!

btk

How do you explain that youth around the world watch the same movies, play the same video games, watch much the same television shows, and get on the same internet as the youth in the US, yet there is such a disparity in the number of homicides per year. It can't be all attributed to lack of respect or no fear of the law.


Gun Deaths - 2011: Japan 48, Great Britain 8, Switzerland 34, Canada 52, Israel 58, Sweden 21, Germany 42, UNITED STATES 10,728 Source NRA


I read a quote recently that said Detroit had 300 some gun deaths in one year, while one mile down the road in (I believe it was London) Ontario Canada there were zero gun deaths that year. Presumably, being so close, these two cities are in the same TV markets and watch the same movies.


Fortunately, the brightest minds in Washington are working on addressing these problems. We've done nothing for too long, now's the time to act.

People that argue against any manner of gun control usually make the argument - Basically, you gun control nuts are too simplistic and you are missing the point. Often followed by some form of guns don't kill people, people kill people. I am in favor of some gun controls, but I, like most people, don't think for a minute that it would forever solve the problem. It might not even lessen the problem, but why not try it? Who not wearing a uniform, needs automatic weapons and armour piercing ammunition for example? Of course the basic problem is with the societal infuences, and recognition and treatment of mental illness. However, to not include some control of weapons and bomb making material is to ignore an inarguable part of the problem.

[QUOTE=janmcn;596398]How do you explain that youth around the world watch the same movies, play the same video games, watch much the same television shows, and get on the same internet as the youth in the US, yet there is such a disparity in the number of homicides per year. It can't be all attributed to lack of respect or no fear of the law.


Gun Deaths - 2011: Japan 48, Great Britain 8, Switzerland 34, Canada 52, Israel 58, Sweden 21, Germany 42, UNITED STATES 10,728 Source NRA


I read a quote recently that said Detroit had 300 some gun deaths in one year, while one mile down the road in (I believe it was London) Ontario Canada there were zero gun deaths that year. Presumably, being so close, these two cities are in the same TV markets and watch the same movies.


Fortunately, the brightest minds in Washington are working on addressing these problems. We've done nothing for too long, now's the time to act.[/QUOTE I think everyone should seriously look into drugs playing a major factor in these cases. Legal and/or illegal partnered w/violent video games causes these kind of violent acts.

This a complex problem that needs some discussion at the governmental level in regards to banning assault weapons to the general public. .

We can make out voices heard and hopefully, some solutions will be implemented. I think guns are a part of our culture and owning a gun should be held by responsible people only. I am against the easy access to assault weapons in the hands of the general public. One child had 11 bullets in them.

I see no reason why a person needs this level of protection. Even hunters don't need a weapon like this to kill an animal.

Will banning assault weapons solve this problem? The answer is no but we can limit the potential for more incidents. IMHO

Access to mental health, curbing violence in the media, movies, video games can help.only. Children should be exposed to learning tools type games and not a toy gun. I have never bought my son a toy gun. Is this simplistic, Possibly yes, but we owe to our children and grandchildren to seek better options.

Off soapbox. :smiley:

Someone should do some research on when video games started to be popular w/young boys and see how many mass shootings since then. I heard today that since 1974 there's been 37 in our country.