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CMANN 05-22-2012 10:28 PM

I think that I'm starting to smell a rat here. A witness intimidation rat. I'm not sure who is doing it but it sure smells.

paulandjean 05-23-2012 06:48 AM

Thanks for Jackson and Sharpton shedding light on this case.Now sure about young black male being killed by rival black gangs males often nightly in this country. Could same be said for white or hispantic youth.

Taltarzac725 05-23-2012 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by CMANN (Post 496138)
I think that I'm starting to smell a rat here. A witness intimidation rat. I'm not sure who is doing it but it sure smells.

The defense should be able to discredit their testimony if such is the case. Witnesses are very unreliable anyway especially in this kind of situation where you have a fight at night which becomes a very high profile case.

Advogado 05-23-2012 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 496188)
Thanks for Jackson and Sharpton shedding light on this case.Now sure about young black male being killed by rival black gangs males often nightly in this country. Could same be said for white or hispantic youth.

Sharpton and Jackson did not throw light on this case. In the absence of facts, Sharpton and Jackson prejudged it, got a lot of other people to do the same by inciting the media to report the matter in a way that completely distorted the facts, and needlessly stirred up racial hatred for their own benefit.

I'm not defending Zimmerman. All the facts are not public yet. However, he is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

CMANN 05-23-2012 12:40 PM

The first time that witnesses gave their testimony there were simply witnesses to something that happened. They gave their account as they believed that they saw it.

The second time the witnesses gave their testimony they were afraid. They thought better of endangering themselves. The obvious race madness that had taken place since their first testimony has put them in fear of their lives and their families.

I can understand why they would change their stories. They did change their stories. It's too bad because they may end up getting themselves in trouble anyway.

Also, they may very well have guaranteed Zimmermans acquittal.

Just my opinion

skyc6 05-23-2012 03:21 PM

There are many ethnic gangs in the United States, and there are murders everyday in this country. I don't know where you are from, but you must watch the national news, occasionally. An example would be Gangster disciples and Vice lords--typically black gangs involved in drug trade, and they are continually fighting over teritory. My point is when a black male kills another black male, there is about 15 minutes of fame, but as soon as a white male kills a black male, Jackson and Sharpton come and cry "racist" and the media frenzy starts. It is not always racist--it is most often violence and anger and drugs. None of it is right, and it will be impossible to have a fair trial.

CMANN 05-24-2012 12:23 AM

As long as there are people who refuse to cower in the night we will have a reasonable sense of security from the thugs on the street. If they think that you are cowering in the night they will kill you. If they think that they could be killed they will leave you alone. They don't want to die either.

Advogado 05-30-2012 05:52 PM

Another unarmed man brutally shot in Florida?
 
Cops: Miami face-eating attack one of the 'goriest scenes' we've ever seen - NY Daily News

Warren Kiefer 05-30-2012 09:55 PM

The Daily Sun
 
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Originally Posted by jflynn1 (Post 470239)
Interesting: Every News organiozation in the world has been reporting on this tragic event in Sanford Florida. Not One word in the Daily Sun, The Fun Only Newsletter.It is a shame they call themselves a news organization.

The Daily Sun was and is a forum for the Republican party. You do get some local news, unfortunately the reporters usually get the details wrong. There are definately news worthy items that are left out of the news, sink holes, crimes , etc. I challenge anyone to show me a political cartoon making light of the republican party and yet there is one pokink fun at Obama almost every day. Another challenge would be to have someone write a letter to the editor that is developer or Villages negative.

graciegirl 05-31-2012 06:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Warren Kiefer (Post 499439)
The Daily Sun was and is a forum for the Republican party. You do get some local news, unfortunately the reporters usually get the details wrong. There are definately news worthy items that are left out of the news, sink holes, crimes , etc. I challenge anyone to show me a political cartoon making light of the republican party and yet there is one pokink fun at Obama almost every day. Another challenge would be to have someone write a letter to the editor that is developer or Villages negative.

You are right about the Republican slant of The Daily Sun. The Orlando Sentinel has a Democratic slant. The Boston Globe has a slant, The New York Times has a slant, and it depends on what you are used to or whether that is your slant if you agree with it or if you see a slant or not. I lived all of my life in the midwest and The Daily Sun mirrors The Columbus Dispatch and the Cincinnati Enquirer and the Indianapolis paper in it's political leanings and in their picks of editorial writers.

HOWEVER, I disagree with you that The Daily Sun fails to have news of sinkholes, crimes and even printed the news of the The Morses being sited for hunting violations in Montana. It prints the police blotter with all three counties arrests. It has had several articles about the Trayvon Martin shooting. I read it through every day.

It is owned by the Morse family and the Morse family's business is to sell houses. They are also large contributors to the Republican party and only invite Republican candidates to speak here. NEVER Democratic candidates. We are all old enough to figure that out. I personally have no problem with the Sun. And since an overwhelming majority of people here agree with the politics, it does just fine.

Taltarzac725 05-31-2012 07:48 AM

Democratic candidates have visited the Villages though. I seem to remember a bus carrying the VP candidate--Joe Biden-- making a stop in Spanish Springs Square back in 2008. It did not get much press in The Villages Daily Sun but there was a little bit of it. Not the front page extravaganza that Sarah Palin's trip here about the same time got. Biden visit: Stopping at a Villages ice cream shop | Ocala.com

With respect to candidate Obama; he made it to Ocala and Orlando but never to TV that I recall back in 2008.

As to the slant of our local paper, they do report negative press in the Villages Daily Sun just not as often as other papers which seem to revel in it.

I have seen Letters to the Editor though that are critical of Republican candidates and such. You probably will never see featured Democratic commentators along with Ann Coulter though in the Op-Ed pages.

IMHO, The Sun has handled the Trayvon Martin case rather well.

Golfer in Sanibel 06-07-2012 11:56 AM

Will the real Travon Martin please stand up?
 
I apologize if this has been posted before. There are so many posts here I didn't read them all. But I thought I'd throw this into the mix. Obama and politics aside, what do you think about the media using a 5 year old photo?


They don't show the up-to-date pictures of Trayvon Martin, in the media. Now you know why. Kinda scary ain't it?


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...hio/Travon.jpg


That old adage applies here. . . "there are two sides to every story" . . .we don't always get the truth from the media (in my experience there's 3 sides - your side, my side, and what really happened).
One of my favorite rants...the liberal controlled media...television news...newspapers...magazines...radio...all continue to show 12 year old Trayvon...NOT 17 year old Trayvon...they continue to show the 5 year old picture BECAUSE it helps to cement in your mind the little, cute, Hoodie wearing youngster who was stalked by this monster
.
In reality.."little Trayvon"...at the time of his death...stood almost 6'2" tall...weighed 175 muscular pounds...had numerous run ins with authorities (both at school and local police)...had been stopped and almost arrested two days before his death for...smacking a bus driver in the face...because the driver refused to let him ride for free...he was released because the driver was told not to press charges by the bus company and to continue on his route.
When "little Trayvon" was suspended at school...it was not only because he tried to bring a little marijuana in with him...he was in possession of wedding rings and other jewelry...watches etc. That he said he "found" along with a large screwdriver...while on the way to school that day...the jewelry was turned over to the Police by the school. I am not trying to say this was a good shooting...
I am not trying to say this kid deserved to die...I am saying...the media in the USA is controlled by liberals who twist and distort what you see and hear in order for you to see things their way.
Not a single paper has printed RECENT photos of this kid...because...it would not keep your interest in this case... Not a single paper will admit that this kid was a marijuana dealer...his friends on Facebook all say he had the "best plants"...not a single paper will show you any of his recent photos where he shows off a mouthful of gold teeth....all of his tattoos...not a single paper will tell the news like it really is....and NOT how they want you to think it is...

A fair and impartial news media in the USA ? No. One that does not follow the liberal agenda? Nope. Are they helping to further divide this already fractured Nation? Yes, they are!

janmcn 06-07-2012 12:04 PM

You have two infractions on this one post. First, you are not allowed to mention a politician on a non-political post. Second, you are not allowed to make a racial slur even if you are quoting something. We must be respectful on this forum.

Patty55 06-07-2012 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 502854)
You have two infractions on this one post. First, you are not allowed to mention a politician on a non-political post. Second, you are not allowed to make a racial slur even if you are quoting something. We must be respectful on this forum.

I believe the "racial slur" was Trayvon's facebook user name.

Patty55 06-07-2012 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfer in Sanibel (Post 502850)
I apologize if this has been posted before. There are so many posts here I didn't read them all. But I thought I'd throw this into the mix. Obama and politics aside, what do you think about the media using a 5 year old photo?


They don't show the up-to-date pictures of Trayvon Martin, in the media. Now you know why. Kinda scary ain't it?


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y10...hio/Travon.jpg


That old adage applies here. . . "there are two sides to every story" . . .we don't always get the truth from the media (in my experience there's 3 sides - your side, my side, and what really happened).
One of my favorite rants...the liberal controlled media...television news...newspapers...magazines...radio...all continue to show 12 year old Trayvon...NOT 17 year old Trayvon...they continue to show the 5 year old picture BECAUSE it helps to cement in your mind the little, cute, Hoodie wearing youngster who was stalked by this monster
.
In reality.."little Trayvon"...at the time of his death...stood almost 6'2" tall...weighed 175 muscular pounds...had numerous run ins with authorities (both at school and local police)...had been stopped and almost arrested two days before his death for...smacking a bus driver in the face...because the driver refused to let him ride for free...he was released because the driver was told not to press charges by the bus company and to continue on his route.
When "little Trayvon" was suspended at school...it was not only because he tried to bring a little marijuana in with him...he was in possession of wedding rings and other jewelry...watches etc. That he said he "found" along with a large screwdriver...while on the way to school that day...the jewelry was turned over to the Police by the school. I am not trying to say this was a good shooting...
I am not trying to say this kid deserved to die...I am saying...the media in the USA is controlled by liberals who twist and distort what you see and hear in order for you to see things their way.
Not a single paper has printed RECENT photos of this kid...because...it would not keep your interest in this case... Not a single paper will admit that this kid was a marijuana dealer...his friends on Facebook all say he had the "best plants"...not a single paper will show you any of his recent photos where he shows off a mouthful of gold teeth....all of his tattoos...not a single paper will tell the news like it really is....and NOT how they want you to think it is...
President King Obama...looked at the FIVE year old photo the media chose to show the Nation...and said..."If I had a son...he would look like Trayvon" So from that comment...should I assume you did not bother to look for the facts in this shooting..or should I assume you want a son who is a 17 year old drug dealing, gold teethed thug whose name on one of his Facebook profiles was "wild n****"...who 'finds" jewelry and burglary tools on the way to school ?
A fair and impartial news media in the USA ? No. One that does not follow the liberal agenda? Nope. Are they helping to further divide this already fractured Nation? Yes, they are!


:bigbow: I removed the slur from my quote.

Now let's talk about the parents....

Why did they copyright "I am Trayvon" & "Justice for Trayvon". The only reason I know to copyright is $$$$.

Why did they give consent for the tattoos?

How come when the father and his girlfriend came home they didn't know anything had happened till the next morning?

paulandjean 06-07-2012 12:14 PM

In our country,people who speak up for injustice of others are known as national heros. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson spoke of the Travon Martin injustice that was going on just days after the shooting with nothing being done. Should you not think that these men should be awarded the same honor. I do.

Golfer in Sanibel 06-07-2012 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 502854)
You have two infractions on this one post. First, you are not allowed to mention a politician on a non-political post. Second, you are not allowed to make a racial slur even if you are quoting something. We must be respectful on this forum.

Sorry. I didn't intend to violate rules. I have deleted the offending paragraph. But please keep in mind these are not my words. I copied and pasted an email I received to stimulate discussion.

What do you think of the subject of the post?

:popcorn:

Patty55 06-07-2012 12:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 502864)
in our country,people who speak up for injustice of others are known as national heros. Sharpton and jesse jackson spoke of the travon martin injustice that was going on just days after the shooting with nothing being done. Should you not think that these men should be awarded the same honor. I do.

nope

Bogie Shooter 06-07-2012 12:32 PM

Things are not always as they seem to be.
Receiving an email, does not mean the contents are true. One should check out the validity of the email before sending on to your whole email list or posting on the Internet.
The photo above is actually of rapper Jayceon Terrel.
Go to Snopes.com and search on Trayvon Martin.

Golfer in Sanibel 06-07-2012 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 502877)
Things are not always as they seem to be.
Receiving an email, does not mean the contents are true. One should check out the validity of the email before sending on to your whole email list or posting on the Internet.
The photo above is actually of rapper Jayceon Terrel.
Go to Snopes.com and search on Trayvon Martin.

Good point. I'm guilty as charged, if that is true. :icon_wink:

Patty55 06-07-2012 12:54 PM

Trayvon did in fact have tattoos and gold grillwork on his teeth. These pictures are from Trayvon's twitter account-(sorry I don't know how to post only the photo.)

http://the-american-journal.com/tray...rugs-violence/

Bogie Shooter 06-07-2012 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patty55 (Post 502889)
Trayvon did in fact have tattoos and gold grillwork on his teeth. These pictures are from Trayvon's twitter account-(sorry I don't know how to post only the photo.)

http://the-american-journal.com/tray...rugs-violence/

Or, in fact is this the other Trayvon Martin whose picture was incorrectly posted on many sites, that later made retractions that the photo was not the Marting that was killed?
On the "other" Martin's face book page it said he went Myers Middle School not Dr Michael M Krup Senior High School where the dead Martin attended.
Also on the "other" Martin's page it listed that his relatives lived in Savannah, Ga.
This information can also be viewed on Snopes.

Patty55 06-07-2012 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 502909)
Or, in fact is this the other Trayvon Martin whose picture was incorrectly posted on many sites, that later made retractions that the photo was not the Marting that was killed?
On the "other" Martin's face book page it said he went Myers Middle School not Dr Michael M Krup Senior High School where the dead Martin attended.
Also on the "other" Martin's page it listed that his relatives lived in Savannah, Ga.
This information can also be viewed on Snopes.

This Trayvon has his mother's name tattooed on his arm. I don't think some random rapper would do that.

hulahips 06-07-2012 01:44 PM

Martin was NOT shot because he was black. Zimmerman was NOT a racist. He tutored black kids. The media would like you to believe that as would Jessie Jackson, Sharpton and the rest who spoke up against him. Zimmerman appears to be more Mexican than white. This was all a disgrace how it was handled by the liberal media of course. Zimmermans head was all bloody and could have been the result of being beaten into the ground. Martin's photo of course was Nothing like what he looks like. He is over 6 ft tall, a big guy and had a previous record. What happened? We really don't know that. It could have been self defense. A jury will determine and hopefully it won't turn out to be another OJ case. Someone is out to racially divide up this country??

janmcn 06-07-2012 01:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patty55 (Post 502858)
I believe the "racial slur" was Trayvon's facebook user name.

Is the point of these posts that Trayvon Martin didn't deserve to live if he looked a certain way or had certain events in his life? It doesn't matter if the "racial slur" was his middle name, using it on this forum is offensive to some people.

paulandjean 06-07-2012 02:13 PM

Get real with those pictures of Travon. He was not anywhere that big or that many pounds. George Zimmerman would never never stop and confront one on one with the pictures being shown here. He was just a high school kid 5'10 160. Travon just being in the wrong place at the wrong time,be confronted by George (Predenting to be a cop) Zimmerman.

paulandjean 06-07-2012 02:14 PM

Pretending

Patty55 06-07-2012 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 502929)
Is the point of these posts that Trayvon Martin didn't deserve to live if he looked a certain way or had certain events in his life? It doesn't matter if the "racial slur" was his middle name, using it on this forum is unacceptable to some people.

I don't recall anyone saying he didn't deserve to live because of his appearance. If "certain events in his life" is referring to his being suspended from school for drug residue, assaulting a bus driver, getting tattoos while underage... again I would never say he doesn't deserve to live. What I do see is a Person In Need of Supervision and a family needing parenting classes.

Yes, using a racial slur on this board is politically incorrect and unacceptable, (this is why I ediitted out the word when I quoted)but that he chose that slur as his FB name is an indication of his mindset and character.

janmcn 06-07-2012 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patty55 (Post 502957)
I don't recall anyone saying he didn't deserve to live because of his appearance. If "certain events in his life" is referring to his being suspended from school for drug residue, assaulting a bus driver, getting tattoos while underage... again I would never say he doesn't deserve to live. What I do see is a Person In Need of Supervision and a family needing parenting classes.

Yes, using a racial slur on this board is politically incorrect and unacceptable, (this is why I ediitted out the word when I quoted)but that he chose that slur as his FB name is an indication of his mindset and character.

And how do you know his facebook name?

Patty55 06-07-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 502962)
And how do you know his facebook name?

Excuse me, I made an error, his fb name was Trayvon Slimm Martin, it was his Twitter account that had the "N" word. I know this from MSM reports and seeing screenshots from prior to his death. I am sure that when the Sunshine Laws kick it will be included in a doc dump.

hdh1470 06-07-2012 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 502947)
Get real with those pictures of Travon. He was not anywhere that big or that many pounds. George Zimmerman would never never stop and confront one on one with the pictures being shown here. He was just a high school kid 5'10 160. Travon just being in the wrong place at the wrong time,be confronted by George (Predenting to be a cop) Zimmerman.

After reading your posts ,You seem to know so much.Were you a witness or just enjoy making thing up.

janmcn 06-07-2012 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Patty55 (Post 502996)
Excuse me, I made an error, his fb name was Trayvon Slimm Martin, it was his Twitter account that had the "N" word. I know this from MSM reports and seeing screenshots from prior to his death. I am sure that when the Sunshine Laws kick it will be included in a doc dump.

And how can you trust the MSM reports when all you did was criticize the MSM earlier in the thread?

Patty55 06-07-2012 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 503043)
And how can you trust the MSM reports when all you did was criticize the MSM earlier in the thread?

You have me confused with some other poster, I never criticized main stream media.

If you check Snopes (incidently not considered MSM), which you seem to find credible, you will see a photo of Trayvon with tattoos shooting the bird.

manaboutown 06-07-2012 06:20 PM

It appears the Martin's attorney has had Trayvon's school records sealed. There must be a LOT to hide there. I also wonder why Trayvon was on a ten day suspension, his third suspension by the way. It surely must take some serious behavioral issue(s) to suspend a student for ten whole days.

I wonder if the police will follow up on these threats? http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...e-phone-number

Some prosecutor in this case! http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/...nford-shooting

paulandjean 06-07-2012 06:46 PM

Thank you. Yes I do have a lot of information about the case.You do know that George Zimmerman has a adult record do you not. Being a former inner city school teacher,I would not put to much merit on Travons school records. As far as drugs,a little pot in a bag is no big deal in todays society.

lovesports 06-07-2012 06:52 PM

George Zimmerman has a criminal record. Add to that, he had the nerve to lie to a Judge.

I know if someone was (following)chasing me, I would turn around and fight for my life.

George should of listened to the police. The police said don't get out of your truck, don't follow. The police were on the way. If George had followed what he was told, there would be no case.

I have no idea how the case will end.

ceejay 06-07-2012 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 502864)
In our country,people who speak up for injustice of others are known as national heros. Sharpton and Jesse Jackson spoke of the Travon Martin injustice that was going on just days after the shooting with nothing being done. Should you not think that these men should be awarded the same honor. I do.

You are absolutely correct...we should not think that these men should be awarded the same honor.

Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson....National Heroes????....There is NO question about it...ABSOLUTELY NOT!!

ceejay 06-07-2012 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulandjean (Post 503062)
Thank you. Yes I do have a lot of information about the case.You do know that George Zimmerman has a adult record do you not. Being a former inner city school teacher,I would not put to much merit on Travons school records. As far as drugs,a little pot in a bag is no big deal in todays society.

PaulandJean...it is absolutely wonderful that you taught in an inner city school...thank you so much for your service to our children.

However...did you happen to live in the inner city in which you taught? Have you actually lived the life or did you return to your suburban home every day at 4:00?

I think that until you have walked the walk and talked the talk in the actual "inner city", people really have no idea what goes on everyday...

buggyone 06-07-2012 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ceejay (Post 503086)
PaulandJean...it is absolutely wonderful that you taught in an inner city school...thank you so much for your service to our children.

However...did you happen to live in the inner city in which you taught? Have you actually lived the life or did you return to your suburban home every day at 4:00?

I think that until you have walked the walk and talked the talk in the actual "inner city", people really have no idea what goes on everyday...

This killing took place in Sanford in a gated community. It did not take place in the inner city. Looks as though Zimmerman will have a lot of time to reflect on what he could have done to prevent the killing from happening. 25 years in prison if found guilty and a lifetime of hiding if found not guilty.

ceejay 06-07-2012 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 503146)
This killing took place in Sanford in a gated community. It did not take place in the inner city. Looks as though Zimmerman will have a lot of time to reflect on what he could have done to prevent the killing from happening. 25 years in prison if found guilty and a lifetime of hiding if found not guilty.

Ummm...I did not state that the killing took place in the inner city.

I was merely asking PaulandJean if they actually lived in the inner city while teaching there.

But let me ask you a question, Buggyone. If he is found not guilty and, according to you, will have "a lifetime of hiding", do you actually feel that that would be the sentence he deserved? A "lifetime of hiding" even if he is found not guilty.

I opine...you decide.


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