I do not know that he didn't take the operators advice. The 911 operator said "we don't need you to do that," refering to following Trayvon. Zimmerman replied, "okay." One would presume that he agreed with the operator. Perhars he did or perhaps he didn't. There is no proof either way. Lacking any proof to the contrary, we'll have to take his word for it. Innocent until proven guilty is the law of the land.

It may have happened just as Zimmerman said. Then what?

I have to defer in your view of Zimmerman and Martin.

If the 911 Dispatcher told Zimmerman "we don't need you to do that", which is reported, and Zimmerman followed Martin anyway, it's not a violation of law. Even if the dispatcher "ordered" Zimmerman to desist from following Martin, it's not against the law if Zimmerman continued. He was under no legal obligation to heed the warning of the 911 dispatcher.

It might have been stupid, but you've already addressed people with guns who are stupid.

Now, if Martin attacked Zimmerman as is reported, that is assault. If Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk, the sidewalk is considered a weapon, in my opinion.

Nowhere was it ever said that Zimmerman brandished his weapon. I don't believe Martin would have attacked Zimmerman in the manner he did if he knew Zimmerman was armed.

Of course I have no way to really know that, but it's a reasonable assumption.

Richielion, you are correct with the sidewalk being a weapon. Only two people know what really happened and one of those isn't talking. So I, for one, will not make any decision of what, when, where, how or why until all the evidence is brought out and a jury makes the final decision. I might not agree with them, as in the Casey court, but we have to go with what a jury decides.

Not heeding the directions of the 911 operator might or could be used against Zimmerman, as he was told that a officer was in route. We will just have to wait and see. But you are right, Zimmerman could do has he pleased and did not have to heed the 911 instructions. But I think he could have saved himself a lot of heart ache if he had.

About Martin attacking Zimmerman, you have to remember that Martin was a 17 year old kid and they don't make the best decisions on anything. He might not have cared one way or the other. We will never know.

No matter if Zimmerman was in the right or in the wrong - I think we can both agree his life will never be the same again - and not in a good way.

That would be a good assumption, however, one day i'll tell you a tale that rebuts that view.

Because of people of a particular ilk.

You're right; his life will never be the same, and maybe it would have been his life that ended that night.

Maybe if he wasn't armed he might be dead or in a coma now, or to some other extent badly injured, if he was not able to stop the alleged brutal assault of Martin. Of course, that's assuming the tale is as told by him.

Geezzzz, You write--"If he was not able to stop the alleged ,"brutal assault of Martin". You have to be kidding,The guy was punched what one or two times in the nose. Sure did not look like he was brutalized walking out of that police car.Think half the people discussing this never have been in a fight their whole life.Just because you are taking some licks,you do not open up on him.Man Up Guys.

The key word is "alleged"

"punched in the nose"?; Geezzz, haven't you seen the released picture of the back of his head that seems to support his story of having his head slammed into the concrete by Martin??

You make lot of assumptions with little to go on.

Here's a link if you're actually interested in evidence contrary to your early conviction of Mr. Zimmerman.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...CP4CdBfZhpcM2K

Who released the pictures,and when? Did not see anything like that out of the police car. Did he seek medical attention?This Trayvon was not a big kid. Losing end in a skuffle and pulls out his piece. Never should have been caring one in the first place. People need to be trained is firearms to carry one. I for do not carry,because I have a short fuse. However I am trained in self defense.

They look like scratches not concussions. http://www.punditpress.com/2012/04/g...ury-photo.html

Remember that George Zimmerman did not have any bandages on his head 25 minutes after he was in this "fight". I get a bandage for my arm when I give blood which should stay on 4 hours. This is for a needle stick.

NBC News is reporting that the Sanford City Commission is voting on the police chief, Bill Lee's resignation. Apparently, the investigation has proven that the Sanford Police Department did not do an adequate job. Why else would he be forced to resign?

We may know more details of the case this week when they are released because of news media filing suit under the freedom of information act.

that makes me want to renew my subscription to the Daily Sun

I recently fell playing pickleball and got a scrape on my elbow about 3 inches long by 1/2 inch wide. Put some antiseptic on it when I got home two hours later - it is too long and too wide for a band-aid. I believe I've seen a picture of Mr Zimmerman's head showing a scab similar to the one I have.

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You have training in forensics that can make you identify the cause and extent of an injury through the use of a photograph?

You're taking a lot for granted, and with an obvious prejudice I might add.

Here is a copy of the police report...

http://media.myfoxchicago.com/pdf/zimmerman-report.pdf

Page 3 discusses Zimmerman injuries.

Trayvon was well over 6 feet. 6'3 or 4". You are looking at propaganda photos.

Enough said.

CMANN,

Can we agree that George Zimmerman, whether or not he was in the right AND whether or not he is found guilty of murder or not found guilty, that his life will not the same as before - and not for the better?

If he is found guilty, he will go to prison.

If found not guilty, he will be a hated person by a large group of people (New Black Panthers, maybe) and will probably have to move, change his name, and still possibly be harmed by someone at some future time for killing Martin.

Zimmerman and members of his family have been receiving death threats. A lot of very bad people are out to get him, whether he is guilty of any crime or not.

NBC again, that 911 call transcription editing disinformation disseminating outfit? What investigation of Bill Lee Jr.? NO investigation of Bill Lee Jr. has PROVEN anything. He is NOT being forced to resign. He wanted to resign but the City Commission refused.

So, you also agree that Zimmerman's life will never be the same as it was before he killed Martin. I am just stating this to emphasize that probably Zimmerman would NOT have followed Martin with a pistol IF he had thought of the ramifications that have taken place since the killing - no matter if he was in the right or not - and no matter if he is found guilty or not guilty.

I agree. Zimmerman's life and his family's life will never be the same. He will have to lead a fugitive existence or obtain a legal change of identity of some sort if it is proven he acted in justifiable self defense and he goes free. Of course if he is convicted and spends time in a prison that is another situation entirely.

From what I read in various reports and from the statements of witnesses it appears Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating the crap out of him, possibly breaking his nose, pounding his head onto the concrete and (I have read in one account) suffocating Zimmerman. After repeatedly calling for help and receiving no assistance Zimmerman, with Martin on top of him, at that point pulled out his pistol and shot Martin. It remains unestablished whether Zimmerman actually pursued Martin and initiated a physical confrontation with him or whether he was returning to his SUV and Martin attacked him. How far was Martin's body from Zimmerman's SUV, a few feet or a block or two away? If nearby it seems to me that Zimmerman was likely returning to his SUV, not chasing Martin and that Martin returned and attacked Zimmerman. Zimmerman told the 911 operator that he had lost sight of Martin. So Martin had run some distance away or possibly ducked around a house or found other cover. It further away, "the jury is still out" on who initiated the physical confrontation - sorry for the bad pun.

CMAN---Trayvon not 6"3 or 6"4 --- 6'0 160 lbs thin skinny kid

A 17 year old kid mature enough to have a good growth of facial hair, 3" taller than Zimmerman and physically strong enough to be on top of Zimmerman beating the crap out of him; a kid who bragged about bashing a bus driver on his facebook postings; a kid on his third suspension from school; a kid whose backpack when opened by a school security guard contained a bag of assorted women's jewelry and a burglary tool.

Kid?
 

The perception that Martin was a "kid" seems to have originated with the media's constant use of his angelic childhood photos rather than his more-menacing recent ones. If you put a 17-year-old in a uniform and give him a gun, he is no kid; he is a "soldier", whose job is killing people and breaking things.

My point is: The fact that Martin was 17 is irrelevant. He either deserved to be shot or he didn't. I have no opinion on that since I don't have all the facts, and neither do you.

Innocent or guilty - Zimmerman's life will never be the same. He will either go to prison or live with an assumed identity somewhere and will lead the life of a fugitive for fear of being found by those who hate him.

Hopefully, his tragic incident will be a lesson to other drug store cowboys or wannabe policemen.

A lesson to whom?
 

And, if Zimmerman is acquitted, the incident will also be a lesson to hoodlums and muggers.

Poor Zimmmerman,Lets strike up the band for him,his life will never be the same,he will have to change his name.people will be after him.Good for him.Thats what happens when you pull a gun out and kill someone.You guys must have never seen a fight in your life. One person describes Zimmerman with his head bash in,unreal.At 17 you still are a kid,young kid ,schoolkid whatever.Zimmerman 3 inches shorter but weight higher.Lets see,follow a teenager in a truck,then follow on foot,and you come face to face,he punches me I shoot him. What did Zimmerman say,"But I called for help and no one came"Lame.He must be pretty stupid. Sure he had no sense dealing with teenagers.Did any of you guys ever have a fight as a teenager,I do not think so.No doubt in my mind Zimmerman will be going to jail. That where he belongs.

The fact is a school kid is dead.

I think we can all agree that George Zimmerman's life will never be the same regardless of the outcome of the investigation.

You are 100% correct...a school kid is dead.

But until the investigation is complete, however, the fact is none of us have all the facts.

We can speculate all we want, but until those speculations are proven as facts, George Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty.

Is that worse than Zimmerman's being dead? I don't know, because I don't have all the facts surrounding the incident, and neither do you. Why the rush to convict?

Hate to muddle anyone's thought process with facts, but they released documents in the case yesterday-gotta love the Florida Sunshine Laws. Here ya'll go...

Angela-Corey-Speech_Page_1

On page 1 the Special Proscecutor refers to the Martin family as "those sweet parents". What is with that? :ohdear: Maybe it's a Southern Thang.

If anyone would like to further muddle their thinking Richard Hornsby had some interesting thoughts

Legally, Who Was the First Aggressor? – bLAWg, bLOG, BLAHg

:boxing2: Lame! You got that right. Thank you for the verdict. :1rotfl:

A lesson to hoodlums and muggers? What are you talking about? Trayvon Martin was walking to his aunt's home returning from a convenience store when this happened. A man (Zimmerman) was following him on a rainy night. Martin confronted the man to ask what was going on - according to Zimmerman.

What do hoodlums and muggers have to do with that situation?

Are these allegations documented facts, or media speculation or distortion? I'm not doubting you, please don't take this the wrong way. And I don't have an opinion in this case. I'm just curious.

This may be a big development.
 

I looked at his facebook pages before they were removed and he did brag about the bus driver. All of the pictures had him with groups of hooded guys giving the finger, looking very thug-like. Now all you see is his 12 year old smiling picture.
Young black males are murdered every night in this country, often by other black males in rival gangs, and they rarely make the news after the first night. This whole scenario has been orchestrated by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who have now left town, since it doesn't benefit them to stay now. Why don't they have anything to say about all of the other murders committed by young black youths?