NBC did the right thing firing this producer over edited calls, as did the National Review when they fired John Derbeyshire for his racist rants.


National Review Fires Derbyshire | ThinkProgress

Did NBC really do the right thing? John Derbeyshire was specifically named and for what he did whereas the phantom NBC producer was not named nor was any wrong doing admitted - only statement made was that a "procedural mistake" was made and no apology by any wrong doer. And as for any investigation? Well NBC investigating isn't much more creditable than if it was only the gated community in Sanford investigating Zimmerman. Manaboutown is correct. It is typical of a mainstream media organization like NBC. Wasn't their first lack of journalistic integrity, and undoubtedly won't be their last!

NBC News is reporting that the special prosecutor appointed in this case, Angela Corey, will not convene the grand jury as scheduled tomorrow. Hopefully, this is good news and means that an arrest is imminent, at least that is what the family is lead to believe.

Here is an update on the evidence and how the mainstream media has distorted the situation so much from the get go, creating myths, rather than reporting the facts. For example, they conveniently left out much of the Zimmerman's 911 call which indicated he was no longer attempting to confront the young man. Indeed, it appears Martin attacked Zimmerman from behind. Tayvon Martin « The Conservative Review

The lynch-mob mentality
 

Why would an arrest necessarily be good news? It might or might not be, depending on ALL the facts, which at this point, neither you, the the media, nor Al Sharpton has.

Here is hoping that NBC will not doctor the NEWS this time and just report it.

"Why would a arrest be good news"? Because he did wrong,and you get arrested for doing things wrong.We hear all about Geoge Zimmerman and "Stand Your Ground" maybe you could also say Travon Martin was doing the same thing. Standing His Ground.

Arrests for probable cause that defendant committed a crime
 

You hopefully don't get arrested for doing what in your, or my view, is the wrong thing. Otherwise a whole lot of people would get arrested when they have committed no crime.

For example, I think that you, Al Sharpton, and the media are doing the wrong thing in calling for Zimmerman's arrest (on the basis of now-publicly- available information), rather than demanding a more-thorough look at the case, if you think that the original investigation was flawed. While you, in my view, are certainly doing the wrong thing, I not calling for your arrest.

You hopefully only get arrested when law enforcement authorities have "probable cause" to believe that you committed a CRIME. When, and if, law enforcement authorities truly believe (as opposed to being pressured by one-sided reporting in the media and by Sharpton-led demonstrations) that they have probable cause to believe that George Zimmerman committed a CRIME, I will join you in calling his arrest "good news".

It's not "Because he did wrong," but rather "IF" he did wrong! The findings of back seat judges and jurors have no place in an American Justice System. BTW, who's paying for the expenses to municipal budgets across our country for the security needs surrounding those engaging in all these back seat justice activities? Well, you can be sure it's the working & retired tax payers and not the civil and racial activists participating in these excessive activities! These kinds don't care what their excessive actions cost others!

the conservative review.....just another opinion.

Who cares who,s paying for the extra security. So you say people cannot demostrate because of the costs. Get real

Like the reference "These Kinds"

If a thorough investigation had been done by Sanford PD that night, I feel a lot of problems could have been avoided. I ask myself if Sanford PD would have kissed it off as self defense if Martin was white and Zimmerman was black or If Martin had an ID showing he lived in the complex. This case should have been treated as a homicide, until proven otherwise by evidence found at the scene and witness statements.
This does not mean that Zimmerman had to be arrested that night. It does mean that Zimmerman should have been treated like a suspect and evidence taken to help prove it was self defense. Now FDLE, FBI and the DOJ will not have access to evidence and statements that would have been collected by a professional law enforcement agency.
The Huffington Post has even done an article on how sloppy Sanford PD is in their investigations. It seems to be the norm for Sanford PD.

Trayvon Martin Case Spotlights Florida Town's History Of 'Sloppy' Police Work

Almost Same Thing
 

Google Brian Deneke and read the Wikipedia article. This is a kid that was killed in Amarillo in 1997 because of how he looked....not the person he was. He was deliberately run down by another kid, Dustin Camp ("preppie"), in his dad's Cadillac one night in December. He enjoyed the "punk" look and the music but was actually a really good kid. City Confidential has profiled this case. Seems to be a parallel here with Martin being targeted for how he looked.

The entire town of Amarillo came up in arms when Camp received a probated sentence (manslaughter) instead of jail time. It took him less than 6 months to violate that probation and was sent to serve his time. Not only that, but his dad was arrested and charged for lying about Camp's actions that violated his probation.

[QUOTE=dillywho;477285]Google Brian Deneke and read the Wikipedia article. This is a kid that was killed in Amarillo in 1997 because of how he looked....not the person he was. He was deliberately run down by another kid, Dustin Camp ("preppie"), in his dad's Cadillac one night in December. He enjoyed the "punk" look and the music but was actually a really good kid. City Confidential has profiled this case. Seems to be a parallel here with Martin being targeted for how he looked.QUOTE]

A "really good kid" parallel here? Oh sure. Trayvon was a model citizen. He bragged on twitter about "bashing" a bus driver, got caught with a bag full of women's jewelry and a screwdriver in his backpack by a school security guard and was staying with his father while under his THIRD suspension from school.

The Trayvon issue is created a deeper divide in race relations. It was just reported that a green highway sign in Detroit carried a racial slur. It was all so predictable

I'm willing to bet that the sign was written by one of the racial arsonists demonstrating in Florida. That's usually the case in these things, as in the plagiarizing college professor who is "suspected" of hanging a noose on her own door to deflect the fireable offense, and started a crisis in her college that produced many many days of "news".

Columbia Professor Hangs Her Own Noose By Plagiarizing > Columbia, madonna constantine, plagiarism | IvyGate

Who cares? Well it's certainly not those who would say "Who cares" when it comes to unnecessary spending of taxpayers money!

And no way did I say that people cannot demonstrate. I'm simply implying that people shouldn't demonstrate to ridiculous excess. Furthermore, I don't appreciate your attacking me by spinning and embellishing what I said to make people believe I was saying something that I was definitely not saying. Go back and read what I stated as many times as you need until you can properly comprehend it!

And in response to your other post... by using the term "these kinds" I'm strictly referring to those who demonstrate to unreasonable and costly excess, nothing more, nothing less. I'm not what you're trying to make me out to be!

I can't say for sure what your motivation is, but you should really consider who needs to get real, because it's not me. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill, and that only serves to further denigrating your own overall creditability!

http://www.smileyvault.com/albums/st...y-sign0171.gif

What is a "racial arsonist" and why from Florida? What does a"racial arsonist" look like so I can avoid them at LSL or SS?

:confused:

A "Racial Arsonist" is a term that Jamaican-born American sociologist Orlando Patterson used to describe Al Sharpton. Some would also describe it a race baiter. You can read more about it at the following link:

Al Sharpton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Reread
 

[quote=manaboutown;477332]I didn't say that Martin was a good or bad kid. I said Brian was a good kid and there were many who vouched for him, including his boss. I don't know what kind Martin was for a fact and neither did Zimmerman when he set out to play private eye on foot. The parallel I was making was that he was judged and targeted by Zimmerman for how he was dressed just as Brian had been and he, too, paid for the way he looked.

As for Martin's twitters, what he got caught in school with in his backpack, had nothing to do with that night. He had Skittles, tea, and a cell phone then. That won't get anyone a suspension and sure shouldn't get anyone killed. Zimmerman didn't know a thing about his twitters, suspensions, or anything else. He simply called in someone he "thought" was suspicious, "though" was young, "thought" was male, "thought" was maybe black, and was wearing a hoodie.

If Zimmerman had simply done what he was supposed to do which was 1) call in, 2) report what was going on, the location and direction of travel, and then 3) leave the rest to the authorities, this wouldn't even be a discussion.

I thought the altered sign was in Florida when I first heard this story, but otherwise I stick with my comment.

On your other thoughts; get a clue.

It sounds like Zimmerman and the Martins will get their days in court.
 

Just from watching the news last night and based on a gut feeling, it sounds like Zimmerman will be arrested soon. George Zimmerman seeks donations on his new website - CBS News

It could happen if the legal representatives have worked their maneuvering magic arriving at the least future harmful state that could quiet down the race rhetoric.

Remember OJ Simpson and Casey Anthony were arrested too!!!

btk

And both seemed to be treated fairly in their criminal trials. In neither cases did the prosecution prove their guilt beyond a reasonable doubt.

This Trayvon Martin matter though looks a lot more complicated than either the OJ Simpson Case or the Casey Anthony cases because of the very real impact of the issue of race relations into it as well as national politics with this being an election year.

The only wrinkle here is if Zimmerman is tried and acquitted; be prepared for the riots. It a good excuse to get some new threads and some flat screen tv's.

while this may be more true than some of us would like to think:

"...very real impact of the issue of race relations into it as well as national politics with this being an election year...."

it has nothing to do with the eyes of justice.

I get increasingly concerned when the real issues of life and death are measured by public opinion or race or politics instead of the courts.

Even the if then statements like if aquitted, then unrest/etc.

We have gone so many years without having to watch what is said and done by whom, about what or how they said it or who did what.
I am glad I came through life when I did with most all of it satisfied by measuring what somebody did/said/didn't do or say against RIGHT OR WRONG.

I think America was stronger for it.

Today's insatiable need to satisfy special interest groups, minority groups (including race), and just about anybody who raised their hand for just about anything they don't like have watered America's values to a point where there is no clear distinction between right and wrong....just what makes the one's with their hand up happy. Or if you happen to be a politician make those who would vote for you happy....RIGHT or WRONG.

We may have advanced with all the new technology of the day. But the real core values continue their steady decline.....driven by the special interest groups and minorities (race included)....while the majority gets dragged down in quality of life as a result.

In my very humble opinion.

btk

The US Attorney General is not in charge of local police activities such as Sanford, Florida. If the New Black Panthers are breaking the law, it would be up to the local police or state police to take care of the incident.

There have also been reports of armed Neo-Nazis on patrol in Sanford to "protect" white people. That cannot lead to anything good, either.

I read that the special investigator has decided not to put Zimmerman in front of a grand jury. Sounds like a mistake to me but time will tell. If there was enough evidence to indict with a grand jury, the charges could be made. If not enough evidence, the case could be closed.

In any case, Zimmerman definitely made the mistake of his life when he disobeyed the police operator and followed Martin that night. He and his family definitely will have to leave the area and take different names for their own safety after his stupid action. I am not saying Zimmerman is guilty of murder or manslaughter but of stupidity for his actions of following Martin that night while armed.

I believe Figmo has said in previous posts on other topics that anyone who has a CCW permit should be prepared to pay tens of thousands of dollars in legal fees if they ever shoot anyone in any situation.

This is just another reason that I say carrying a firearm is foolish.

This is crazy"Neo-Nazis in Sanford protecting white people" What if they do not want to be protected by them. This is the Deep South,more like KKK stirring up trouble.And everyone knows they are the worst on this planet.

Unless the actions of the Black Panther Party, as in the "bounty", combined with their bullhorn shouted rhetoric rise to the level of a "hate crime".

Some could argue they're already apparently guilty of that.

New Black Panthers Call Violent Race War For Trayvon Martin Protest: We Have To Spill The Blood of White Devils

Report: New Black Panther Party Issues ‘Wanted Dead or Alive’ Poster for George Zimmerman | Video | TheBlaze.com

This is a great opportunity for all the George Zimmerman supporters on this forum to contribute to his defence. He's also looking for donations for his living expenses. Hopefully, Seminole County will soon provide a roof over his head and three squares a day.

My concern is that the mainstream media regularly misrepresents situations, some times surreptitiously, sometimes blatantly. Unfortunately this particular matter was injected with racial overtones and implications from a deliberate falsehood aired by NBC. By removing the 911 dispatcher's question about Martin's apparent race, if known, NBC made it appear Zimmerman volunteered Martin's race whereas he was asked it. In any case, wouldn't the police want as good a description as possible in order to find Martin who had by then disappeared from Zimmerman's sight? If Martin had appeared to have been white would it not have been helpful to the police to know that?

NBC News President Insists Zimmerman Edit 'Not a Deliberate Act to Misrepresent' | NewsBusters.org

what is so complicated? Zimmerman says that he shot Martin in self-defense. Those are the facts.

Unless there are other facts that can be proven it was a simple case of self-defense.

Again, what is so complicated?

They will probably have to go to the most rural area of Alaska though to find a jury pool not tainted by all the press of the Trayvon Martin matter.

the reason for the castle law and the stand your ground law is to protect an honest citizen who acted in self-defense from being punished by confiscatory legal fees and lawsuits. That takes some of the silliness out of protecting yourself.

It sounds like your solution would be to let the holdup man take my money or let the lawyers take my money. Either way I don't think that I want you for a friend.

What George Zimmerman supporters?
 

I haven't seen any posts here by George Zimmerman supporters. Others and myself have simply criticized:
1. The media for its one-sided reporting of the incident (see, e.g., the NBC doctored tape, use of Martin's childhood picture juxtaposed against Zimmerman's old mug shot from a 2005 arrest, almost no mention of Martin's history of getting in trouble, the NY Times editorial characterizing the shooting as "cold blooded");
2. Posters such as yourself for calling for Zimmerman's arrest on the basis of the incomplete public information now available; and
3. Racial demagogues, such as Sharpton and Jackson for inciting unrest and hatred on the basis of the same incomplete information.

The basic fact remains that, so far, the people with access to all the available facts have determined that there is not even the probable cause necessary to arrest Zimmerman, much less evidence sufficient to convict him beyond a reasonable doubt. Maybe the new investigation will determine otherwise, but if so, the press, people like yourself, and the racial demagogues have now cast a shadow over any outcome except an arrest.

What I can't understand is: Why are you so insistent, based upon what you actually know at this point, on convicting Zimmerman? Is it just your gut feeling that he is guilty, because so far, the public facts do not support your position?

There was nothing so complicated about it... then, unfortunately enters racial, political and even journalistic activism. Remember the now famous quotation?... "You never want a serious crisis to go to waste!" Those elements don't really care for justice to take it's proper due course. They just want to exercise that quoted concept to achieve whatever their hidden agenda is and to h*** with the cost or whomever it may hurt! The cost part of that last statement has already been openly and directly expressed already on this forum. I wonder if it will now also be expressed, "who cares who gets hurt!" :ohdear:

Now, this is an example, IMHO, of an excellent response. Well done. I don't know if I've formally said welcome to Talk of the Villages to you; but welcome to TOTV. Very fair and accurate post.

Two 17 year olds on the ground fighting, The one on top punching,the one on the bottom pulls out a gun and shoots and kills the other teenager ????

The story told is that Martin was slamming Zimmerman's head into the sidewalk. If someone was doing that to me and I was armed; the end result would probably be the same.