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Challenger 12-08-2014 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 978081)
Grand Jury Decides Not To Indict Cop In Eric Garner Chokehold Case « CBS New York

If the policemen involved in this incident did nothing wrong, why were the four police officers (other than Pantaleo) given immunity when they testified before the grand jury? Isn't immunity something given to guilty parties in exchange for their testimony?

All of the policemen involved in this incident are being investigated by the NYPD, not just Pantaleo.

Not necessarily so. Immunity assures that the recipient will not be prosecuted. Many are prosecuted for crimes that they don't commit. Their lives are disrupted with severe consequences and often ruined .
An analogy would be a civil settlement even if not responsible for the agreeved activity , to prevent a long expensive trial and the possibility a eroneous decision.

shcisamax 12-08-2014 01:29 PM

My deepest apologies, Gracie. I am really sorry I didn't read the entire 18 pages of comments before I commented. My bad.

graciegirl 12-08-2014 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by shcisamax (Post 978139)
My deepest apologies, Gracie. I am really sorry I didn't read the entire 18 pages of comments before I commented. My bad.

I didn't mean it as harshly as it sounded and I wasn't trying to put YOU down. But it is the third time it has been brought up. Boogie was wrong and admitted he was wrong. He is usually not wrong.

The whole climate of this discussion is hitting us all deeply. My home was my grandparents home. My mother died at my birth. My grandfather was a police officer. A big 6'4" guy, a veteran of 37 years on the force. He never used his gun but I am pretty sure he must have used his billy club in Columbus, Ohio. Not too much violent crime but a lot of drinking in those days.Two of my fathers brothers were police officers. They were not only officers, but gentle men to me and my cousins.

I am ALWAYS gonna sway to the side of authority and be defensive of police officers. I know that not all people were like my family, nor all times were like my childhood, but if we lose respect for the law and law enforcement, we are pretty well done.

pivo 12-08-2014 02:12 PM

Gracie; back then he never had to shoot anyone, because back then people had respect for the law, there were no agitators to twist the minds of young youths like today. today if a young man does a crime he has people brainwashing him and supporting him , reason looking for a big settlement.

Sandtrap328 12-08-2014 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 978162)
Gracie; back then he never had to shoot anyone, because back then people had respect for the law, there were no agitators to twist the minds of young youths like today. today if a young man does a crime he has people brainwashing him and supporting him , reason looking for a big settlement.

Those were also the days before civil rights and Miranda readings. It was routine for some police to beat confessions out of suspects even though they were innocent. Personally, I think we are a lot better off now.

Rags123 12-08-2014 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 978167)
Those were also the days before civil rights and Miranda readings. It was routine for some police to beat confessions out of suspects even though they were innocent. Personally, I think we are a lot better off now.

I hope in the near future that the movement will become one of ABIDING BY THE LAW !! While much of what you think is better, is in fact better, the movement to make things better has lost contact with the actual real law. I pray that someday that balance will be gained. We are now bending over backwards to defend law breakers.

pivo 12-08-2014 02:39 PM

Sandtrap;; As for criminals they are a lot better off today.
But for police they are not their hands are tied more and more every year, so the way things are going , pretty soon if you loot or burglary and it don't exceed a thousand dollars you can't hold them,

Sandtrap328 12-08-2014 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pivo (Post 978182)
Sandtrap;; As for criminals they are a lot better off today.
But for police they are not their hands are tied more and more every year, so the way things are going , pretty soon if you loot or burglary and it don't exceed a thousand dollars you can't hold them,

Would you rather have a suspect (and let us just say the suspect is your grandchild) guaranteed their civil rights with a Miranda warning or rather see a policeman take him/her into the back room and extract a confession by beating with a rubber hose until he confessed?

Rags123 12-08-2014 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 978222)
Would you rather have a suspect guaranteed his civil rights with a Miranda warning or rather see a policeman take a suspect into the back room and extract a confession by beating him with a rubber hose until he confessed?

How in the world did you make this gigantic leap from police having their hands tied to "a policeman take a suspect into the back room and extract a confession by beating him with a rubber hose until he confessed?"

I cannot speak for another, but seems to me you took great liberties here.

Sandtrap328 12-08-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rags123 (Post 978224)
How in the world did you make this gigantic leap from police having their hands tied to "a policeman take a suspect into the back room and extract a confession by beating him with a rubber hose until he confessed?"

I cannot speak for another, but seems to me you took great liberties here.

Sad, but true, these things did happen before Miranda.

Rags123 12-08-2014 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sandtrap328 (Post 978226)
Sad, but true, these things did happen before Miranda.

I know they did, but you sort of put some strong words in PIVO' s mouth and implied something I do not think was intended by his/her post...not even close,

Maybe just me....just seemed very unfair.


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