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Jacob85 09-15-2021 07:33 AM

That is so right! Parents don’t get to opt out restraining their child in car seats or using seat belts!

merrymini 09-15-2021 07:52 AM

Children have been harmed by not going to school, perhaps unmeasurably harmed.
I am certain that those same children continue to wear the useless masks outside of the classroom too.
These organizations lie so much, they would not know the truth if it hit them in the nose.
Mandates are a terrible idea.
People who are vaccinated get sick too.
This is coronavirus 19, meaning there are 18 that have come before it.
You are being played.

Ksfirefighter 09-15-2021 07:57 AM

Masks
 
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003960)
A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

Nope, not buying it. The ones that make the mask rules are always caught without masks in public at parties. If you think masks work then wear one and leave me and mine alone.
Get the shot and you wont get Covid. That’s what they say!

SkBlogW 09-15-2021 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003960)
A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

Sorry but the CDC "science brief" is full of errors and junk observational "studies" that prove nothing. In the one RCT study cited thay really couldn't tell if any reduction was due to masks, social distancing, or handwashing. Plus they actually coached the masked villagers to social distance more during the study. Too many confounding variable to be reliable.

If you really want to understand why observational studies are junk science and why the mask mandate advocates keep using them instead of RCT studies, read this article in full.

Do Masks Work? | City Journal

Skeety 09-15-2021 08:14 AM

😡😡😡😡😡😡😡

kendi 09-15-2021 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by heims01 (Post 2004018)
How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.

I don’t think anyone can say for certain that it’s the masks that made the flu season a non event. The flu spreads more readily in the winter cause people are inside and closer together. During CoVID people social distanced and many even isolated themselves. Keep in mind too that hand washing plays a huge role in reducing the spread of the flu. Many who didn’t before are now are diligently hand washing and desensitizing everything they touch. The role of mask wearing in reducing the numbers is highly over rated IMO.

SkBlogW 09-15-2021 08:21 AM

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At least "the help" were masked at Met Gala

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Social media rages at 'hypocritical' Met Gala A-listers and AOC for NOT wearing masks | Daily Mail Online

waterflower 09-15-2021 08:39 AM

When you go to a lab and have posession of the "covid" cells, then see if the size of it will go through the blue chinese mask..Lets talk. Show the video. Look at the side of the box of the blue mask. There is a warning that the mask does not prevent viruses from transfer. Why would you trust the cdc. They are funded by the corporations that profit from the mandates and lies. We need professional that care about humanity do the research.

Gettingoutofdodge 09-15-2021 08:49 AM

Unless you are wearing a N95 mask, wearing one doesn’t stop Covid19 virus from getting into the mask. No one got sick last year because no one went out! I’m a New Yorker, soon to be a Villager. I still work PT in a school. I don’t wear a mask in the building, but I do follow social distancing. It’s so sad to see all the kids with masks on. The school is randomly tested weekly for Covid.
I wear a mask food shopping or in a retail store. I keep my hands away from my face and carry Purel with me. I am vaccinated and just had my immunity checked, it was still high. I have family members who followed all these regulations to the T. They still got Covid. Thank God, they all recovered, even my 62 yo, diabetic, overweight cousin who got it and had no symptoms.
I follow my rules, what works for me. Mandates not so.

Nellmack 09-15-2021 08:52 AM

I'm from a large city where wearing a mask is a sign of respect for others around you. It's not political, masks provide some form of protection. Is a mask perfect? No, but it's better than not wearing a mask.

The problem is that some folks refuse to get vaccinated and and they are the ones that continue to spread the disease. 96% of the people being emitted to the hospital are unvaccinated. What more proof does anyone need? If everyone got vaccinated the spread would stop and this conversation would be over. Our economy, travel, life would be back to normal.

If you refuse to get the vaccination you are to blame for the ongoing pandemic. You are stubborn, selfish and a detriment to society. The resolution is pretty simple.

Byte1 09-15-2021 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacob85 (Post 2004222)
That is so right! Parents don’t get to opt out restraining their child in car seats or using seat belts!

Are you suggesting that parents have no right in how they raise their children?
BTW, what does using seat belts have to do with wearing masks? Other than stopping a bug from flying into your mouth, will a mask prevent auto accidents? :MOJE_whot:

Skeety 09-15-2021 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Nellmack (Post 2004297)
I'm from a large city where wearing a mask is a sign of respect for others around you. It's not political, masks provide some form of protection. Is a mask perfect? No, but it's better than not wearing a mask.

The problem is that some folks refuse to get vaccinated and and they are the ones that continue to spread the disease. 96% of the people being emitted to the hospital are unvaccinated. What more proof does anyone need? If everyone got vaccinated the spread would stop and this conversation would be over. Our economy, travel, life would be back to normal.

If you refuse to get the vaccination you are to blame for the ongoing pandemic. You are stubborn, selfish and a detriment to society. The resolution is pretty simple.

Total BS. The vaccine has cause more damage than good. Violent headaches. F***** up heart. Severe rash. DON'T TAKE THIS POISON!!

Lindaws 09-15-2021 09:43 AM

Amen to that

Skeety 09-15-2021 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2004041)
I recommend we should have mask permanently sowed to our faces with only tiny slit for straw. The would solve several problems. Mask zombies, overweight problems, and obnoxiously loud people to name few. :welcome:

🤣🤣🤣🤣

Skeety 09-15-2021 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Nellmack (Post 2004297)
I'm from a large city where wearing a mask is a sign of respect for others around you. It's not political, masks provide some form of protection. Is a mask perfect? No, but it's better than not wearing a mask.

The problem is that some folks refuse to get vaccinated and and they are the ones that continue to spread the disease. 96% of the people being emitted to the hospital are unvaccinated. What more proof does anyone need? If everyone got vaccinated the spread would stop and this conversation would be over. Our economy, travel, life would be back to normal.

If you refuse to get the vaccination you are to blame for the ongoing pandemic. You are stubborn, selfish and a detriment to society. The resolution is pretty simple.

Heil Hitler!!!

PJackpot 09-15-2021 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003960)
A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

Not going to happen in the free state of Florida. You want fascism, you'll have to go find it somewhere else.

Byte1 09-15-2021 09:59 AM

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Masks or vaccinations? Hmmmm, does anything other than distance really work?

gemini5001 09-15-2021 10:34 AM

Not to mention the ugly ones also...lol

SkBlogW 09-15-2021 10:59 AM

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"If only everyone would get vaccinated and wear masks, covid would go away"

Singapore, 80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance

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coffeebean 09-15-2021 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 2003974)
Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

When there are still people who feel "masks do nothing" then YES, YES, YES, YES, we need another mask thread. Masks most certainly help to mitigate the spread of this virus These kids need all the protection they can possibly get. And yet.....we have mask mandates that are prohibited in our state for school children in the classroom. That simple mitigation effort for these kids is absolutely necessary to keep them safer in the classroom.

As I have already said in my OP.......EVERYONE in the classroom must wear a mask for Universal Masking to be effective. Why is it that the people who should be up on this stuff are casting the science aside?

Universal masking is in effect for airline travel in this country. Why not protect our children in the same manner?

coffeebean 09-15-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by njbchbum (Post 2004014)
So you still have confidence in the CDC's "science" re children wearing masks after all of the teacher's union influence/interference?
cdc influenced by teacher's union at DuckDuckGo

And that court decision on mask wearing and parents seem to still be up in the air!
Access Denied

Yes. I read the article and it actually backs up what I believe regarding Universal Masking.

Byte1 09-15-2021 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2004384)
When there are still people who feel "masks do nothing" then YES, YES, YES, YES, we need another mask thread. Masks most certainly help to mitigate the spread of this virus These kids need all the protection they can possibly get. And yet.....we have mask mandates that are prohibited in our state for school children in the classroom. That simple mitigation effort for these kids is absolutely necessary to keep them safer in the classroom.

As I have already said in my OP.......EVERYONE in the classroom must wear a mask for Universal Masking to be effective. Why is it that the people who should be up on this stuff are casting the science aside?

Universal masking is in effect for airline travel in this country. Why not protect our children in the same manner?

Because it won't work and will only debilitate any possible learning in the classroom. Probably better to let them sit in front of the computer at home. And they will not wear the masks properly when you can't even get adults to wear them in the proper manner. Are you also going to supply REAL masks for them or possibly have them make their own in art class?

coffeebean 09-15-2021 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by mrrmauu (Post 2004108)
This information is very relevant to a retirement community. <sarcasm>

Sarcasm understood so I can only assume you do not care about the children who are affected by no mask mandate in schools. Throw them to the wolves, so to speak. These aren't my kids or grandkids, but I am concerned for their safety.

coffeebean 09-15-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2004110)
Masks are political statements, I demand this post to be shut down.

Masks are NOT political statements or, let me rephrase that, should not be a political statement. Universal masking is all about public health. Politics should have absolutely nothing to do with public health. Period.

coffeebean 09-15-2021 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bhighley (Post 2004119)
CDC said masks didn’t work at protecting against covid before they said to wear a mask to prevent the spread of Covid.. cDc said you don’t need to wear a mask outside before they said to wear a mask outside. They said the vaccine worked at preventing Covid before they said the said the vaccine doesn’t prevent the spread of covid. Now we have to have the unvaccinated get vaccinated to protect the vaccinated… I believe the CDC as much as I believe CNN.

You speak in riddles. LOL.

coffeebean 09-15-2021 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KRMACK55 (Post 2004134)
This statement about children and mask mandates is a joke right? The parents have the right not a mob not the masses etc.

No joke. I would never joke about public health and safety, especially for children.

Neils 09-15-2021 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by heims01 (Post 2004018)
How about common sense for a change! If you think it's harmful to wear a mask then keep the kids home. This argument about masks is just nuts. Last years cold and flew season was a non event. Doesn't that tell you masks do some good? The Delta version was not around last year. It's something of a new ball game for those who would talk about last school year.

Or if you desire 100% masks on others kids, you can always keep your kids home and wearing their masks. Choices choices

coffeebean 09-15-2021 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2004142)
This is a good one...:1rotfl:
Adults do not "wear masks properly" and yet children will.....:1rotfl:
Since we all agree that cloth and paper masks are of little value, I suppose you will also mandate that schools provide N95 masks for the children?
This is a slippery slope, even if it is taken seriously. First off, once you mandate a mask how will that mandate ever be lifted? Who will decide? Will a mask be mandated during flu season also, since more children are affected by the flu than by Covid? Will a mask mandate be enforced for anyone that has a cold?
Let the parents decide what they wish for their children and leave others out of it, ESPECIALLY the Feds. Not experts? Maybe not, but they are responsible for their own children, not other families' children.
I can see it now, high school kids are going to make out with their girlfriends with their masks on, smoke in the parking lot with their masks on, etc. Of course, you will say that this won't happen. Of course not, just like teens don't skip school or smoke weed...:1rotfl:
More gov control is not the answer (my opinion). Just because a few folks on here are "needy" and wish someone else to make decisions for them, not all Americans are dependent on others for decision making.
Masking may help, MAY HELP slow the progression of this biological warfare, but we are showing just as many infections today as we were almost a year ago. Delta variant? OK, so how many variants are we going to suffer through before someone decides to allow nature run it's course and that collateral damage is unavoidable?
Make the children suffer while attending school as they attempt to learn? Perhaps we can put police officers into the schools to enforce mask wearing?
If you are afraid of your kids catching the virus, then keep them home because a mask is not going to protect them. No one is banning masks in schools and parents can "mandate" their own children wearing masks.
Some adults are weak and dependent on the gov to make decisions for them. Some adults have no common sense or do not learn from history when it comes to gov control. Agreed upon rules and laws are good, but life is full of challenges and no one can completely protect you from all dangers.

You miss the entire point of Universal Masking. Hit and miss masking will not cut it. THIS is why masking has not worked for us here in the US. The compliance was non existent. If half the children wear masks, that will not be effective. Might as well have none of the kids wear a mask unless they are protective masks such as the N95 masks.

Remember........."your mask protects me and my mask protects you" That will not work is some parents do not make their child wear a mask. Masks should be MANDATED, no ifs ands or buts about it.

coffeebean 09-15-2021 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Dzurinko (Post 2004148)
I found THIS sentence in the original post very alarming coming from an American: “ Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose..”. This says it all and accounts for many of the problems we’re seeing today in America.. Real Americans are willingly giving up their freedom and insist others do the same! I just couldn’t even get past that sentence!

Well, get past it. I said that for the good of the children and for public safety and for their health. There are parents who have no clue how to keep their children safe. There are parents who, for religious reasons, will not allow their child a blood transfusion if their child is hemorrhaging. Parents don't always know what is best for their children when it comes to their health.

golfing eagles 09-15-2021 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeety (Post 2004331)
Total BS. The vaccine has cause more damage than good. Violent headaches. F***** up heart. Severe rash. DON'T TAKE THIS POISON!!

Lowe's and Home Depot sell manure for $1.99/bag. This post should fetch about $3,000!

Joe C. 09-15-2021 12:43 PM

IMHO...
If you allow and accept a mask mandate, then what follows is that there will be a vaccine mandate, and for those who don't comply, there will be a death camp mandate.
We don't need to go down that social slippery slope.

Let those who are pro-vaccine get vaccinated. It will protect them from the covid. Let those who choose no vaccine the freedom to do so.
If you got the vaccine, then why worry.....you're protected (supposedly).

Mortal1 09-15-2021 01:00 PM

there's always someone that believes what the fake news sells.

golfing eagles 09-15-2021 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe C. (Post 2004407)
IMHO...
If you allow and accept a mask mandate, then what follows is that there will be a vaccine mandate, and for those who don't comply, there will be a death camp mandate.
We don't need to go down that social slippery slope.

Let those who are pro-vaccine get vaccinated. It will protect them from the covid. Let those who choose no vaccine the freedom to do so.
If you got the vaccine, then why worry.....you're protected (supposedly).

It's a long way from mask mandates to "death camps"
That's like saying seat belt mandates lead to road tests every 6 months which leads to mandatory participation in a roadside chain gang:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Do you know why the courts upheld seat belt laws, even for a single person with no family driving alone and getting in a single car accident? It was because the cost of any excess injury that was incurred due to a lack of seat belt use would ultimately be shared by other people, whether Medicare, Medicaid, No-fault, or private insurance. Hence it was ruled constitutional and legal.

Not a big leap to conclude that mask mandates would be ultimately upheld under the same principle.

rsmurano 09-15-2021 01:18 PM

Regarding masks for anyone, common sense went out the window 18 months ago, the gullible left listen to the fake news and buy it word for word. I got vaccinated and I will never wear a mask, I never wore a mask before that unless I wanted/needed to go inside that establishment. If you are nervous and think you are going to die if you go outside, then you, not me, have to do whatever makes you comfortable. I have as many experts or more as you that state masks are bad for you.
For example: what happened to your people telling you you had to wear multiple masks? I’m sure these same people that are mandating masks wore 2 masks then. Also, how about your people telling you the cloth masks don’t do squat for protection, you need the n95 mask, I don’t hear you claiming everybody needs to wear those.
IMO, most of the jargon on masks change daily depending on what the left wants you to believe.

SkBlogW 09-15-2021 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2004397)
You miss the entire point of Universal Masking. Hit and miss masking will not cut it. THIS is why masking has not worked for us here in the US. The compliance was non existent. If half the children wear masks, that will not be effective. Might as well have none of the kids wear a mask unless they are protective masks such as the N95 masks.

Remember........."your mask protects me and my mask protects you" That will not work is some parents do not make their child wear a mask. Masks should be MANDATED, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Singapore says hold my beer

80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance gets you this:

Attachment 90820

Road-Runner 09-15-2021 01:46 PM

At what point does an individual's right to choose, and a parent's right to choose for their children, enter into some people's equation? There are obviously lines that as a society we have drawn that don't allow true child abuse to occur even if the parent disagrees, but that's not this. Some parents, with substantial justification, see masks as a hinderance to learning and even potential health threat themselves. Masks are political at this point, the politicians and media pundits have made them so. Remember, the group pushing mandatory masks on school children are also the group pushing for gender reassignments for 8 year-olds for children who don't act 100% in accordance with their birth gender. Oh, and that's with or without the parents permission or ability to intervene. The worlds gone nuts.

SkBlogW 09-15-2021 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2004394)
No joke. I would never joke about public health and safety, especially for children.

As of 9/15, CDC reports a total of 439 covid deaths from 0-17 years

That's 439 out of a population of 74 million.

Over 1000 kids have already died from the flu and pnuemonia.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Over the course of the pandemic, 49,000 Americans under the age of 18 have died of all causes, minus 439 from covid.

The Kids Were Safe From COVID the Whole Time

"Save the children" is really just politicians trying to look like they are doing something and old people who want the whole world to stop living until they no longer fear covid.

Bill14564 09-15-2021 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2004430)
Singapore says hold my beer

80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance gets you this:

Attachment 90820

Yes, about 1/4 to 1/3 the number of daily new cases (adjusted to population) that we have and essentially zero deaths. How much better might the US be doing if we had that kind of compliance?

(yes, I know 58 is not zero but compared to 660,000 it is essentially zero)

Bill14564 09-15-2021 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2004442)
As of 9/15, CDC reports a total of 439 covid deaths from 0-17 years

That's 439 out of a population of 74 million.

Over 1000 kids have already died from the flu and pnuemonia.

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Over the course of the pandemic, 49,000 Americans under the age of 18 have died of all causes, minus 439 from covid.

The Kids Were Safe From COVID the Whole Time

"Save the children" is really just politicians trying to look like they are doing something and old people who want the whole world to stop living until they no longer fear covid.

From the "...Kids Were Safe..." article:
Which means that while more cases are likely and some amount of hospitalization and death, as well, vaccines have eliminated the overwhelming share of American mortality risk, with the disease now circulating almost exclusively among people who can endure it much, much better — kids especially.


I wonder if the current 140,000+ new cases per day, 1,800+ deaths per day, and 96,700 currently hospitalized are what the authors envisioned when they wrote that paragraph?

jimjamuser 09-15-2021 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003960)
A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

I agree.


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