Originally Posted by bonrich (Post 2004154)

Remember how many of us fought wearing seat belts? The usual remark, was it's my choice to wear a belt. Then some cars had the seat belt wrap around you when you started and now, "it's the law." Even though it's required, I wear a belt every time I am driving, put it on without thinking about it. Will we reach mask use to the level that seat belts are used? Maybe.............

Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2004479)

that's assuming everyone wears a belt. there are many who don't

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2004068)

Why should anyone in the Villages care about whether children are put in harm's way? Their kids are all grown.


Let the parents of today's schoolkids decide whether or not to teach their kids to look both ways before crossing the street. Let them decide whether or not to give their kids a shotgun for their 10th birthday, or let their 12-year-old take the golf cart for a spin when they visit. Let the parents of today's kids decide whether or not they should be inconvenienced by a mask so that they don't catch a deadly disease that they aren't eligible to vaccinate against yet.

Let them decide whether or not to let them play with fireworks in the back yard.

Let them decide whether or not to bring up irresponsible children who were never taught that common sense is a good thing to have, and that as members of civilization, they are expected to grow up to be civilized adults.

Y'all had your turn making those decisions for YOUR kids. If the generation failed, it's because you failed them. Now sit back and let them raise or kill their own children as they see fit.

Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 2003965)

Masking is the only risk reduction available to children.

Powerpoint summary of the Science behind masking to reduce the risk of transmitting COVID.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019...sking-full.pdf

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2004486)

For risk reduction, there is also indoor ventilation, distance separation, and plexiglass between desks. But, the problem is that people are loath to increase property taxes to pay for increased costs for public schools. Many retired Americans no longer can relate to children in school. And many young married adults with children see schools as just a FREE baby sitting service while they work.

Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 2003974)

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2004047)

Totally agree.

I'm just going to re-post what I posted on another thread on the same subject which was closed because, as usual, people could not keep their dumb political comments to themselves.

Background----I posted that this decision should not be left to parents or even school boards because 90+% of them lack the knowledge to make such a decision. The usual culprit, and rather lamely this time, stated that I insulted 90+% of parents, and then quipped "My child has a temp of 103. Hello congressman, what should I do"

So here was my response:

Yes, when the topic is the understanding of the virology and epidemiology of a COVID pandemic and the value of masks for both the vaccinated and unvaccinated, adults and children, I AM going to insult 90+% of not only parents, but all adults as well. It is simply NOT a decision that should be left to either amateurs or politicians.

BTW, It's hardly an "insult". If you tell me I don't have the expertise to land an F-16 on the deck of an aircraft carrier, are you insulting me?

and as a to: "My child has a fever of 103. Hello, congressman. What should I do?"---How about "Hello, pediatrician, what should I do"?

Originally Posted by mrrmauu (Post 2004108)

This information is very relevant to a retirement community. <sarcasm>

Originally Posted by Andyb (Post 2004110)

Masks are political statements, I demand this post to be shut down.

Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2004125)

Cold and flu was lower because much of it was misdiagnosed as Covid

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2004455)

From the "...Kids Were Safe..." article:

Which means that while more cases are likely and some amount of hospitalization and death, as well, vaccines have eliminated the overwhelming share of American mortality risk, with the disease now circulating almost exclusively among people who can endure it much, much better — kids especially.

I wonder if the current 140,000+ new cases per day, 1,800+ deaths per day, and 96,700 currently hospitalized are what the authors envisioned when they wrote that paragraph?

Originally Posted by bonrich (Post 2004154)

Remember how many of us fought wearing seat belts? The usual remark, was it's my choice to wear a belt. Then some cars had the seat belt wrap around you when you started and now, "it's the law." Even though it's required, I wear a belt every time I am driving, put it on without thinking about it. Will we reach mask use to the level that seat belts are used? Maybe.............

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2004497)

Lower because of masks......indisputable.

Originally Posted by taruffi57 (Post 2004218)

Way out of date info. Many experts and medical research studies disagree with your opinion. And besides, children are by far the least likely to have any serious consequences of COVID - due to their excellent natural immune system. We are now having multiple and serious side effects - even deaths, from the "vaccines". Medical personnel are refusing the jabs and even losing their jobs because they have seen the risks.

Originally Posted by Nellmack (Post 2004297)

I'm from a large city where wearing a mask is a sign of respect for others around you. It's not political, masks provide some form of protection. Is a mask perfect? No, but it's better than not wearing a mask.

The problem is that some folks refuse to get vaccinated and and they are the ones that continue to spread the disease. 96% of the people being emitted to the hospital are unvaccinated. What more proof does anyone need? If everyone got vaccinated the spread would stop and this conversation would be over. Our economy, travel, life would be back to normal.

If you refuse to get the vaccination you are to blame for the ongoing pandemic. You are stubborn, selfish and a detriment to society. The resolution is pretty simple.

Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 2004302)

Are you suggesting that parents have no right in how they raise their children?
BTW, what does using seat belts have to do with wearing masks? Other than stopping a bug from flying into your mouth, will a mask prevent auto accidents? :MOJE_whot:

Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 2003974)

Oh god..another mask thread...just what we need

Originally Posted by Skeety (Post 2004331)

Total BS. The vaccine has cause more damage than good. Violent headaches. F***** up heart. Severe rash. DON'T TAKE THIS POISON!!

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2004384)

When there are still people who feel "masks do nothing" then YES, YES, YES, YES, we need another mask thread. Masks most certainly help to mitigate the spread of this virus These kids need all the protection they can possibly get. And yet.....we have mask mandates that are prohibited in our state for school children in the classroom. That simple mitigation effort for these kids is absolutely necessary to keep them safer in the classroom.

As I have already said in my OP.......EVERYONE in the classroom must wear a mask for Universal Masking to be effective. Why is it that the people who should be up on this stuff are casting the science aside?

Universal masking is in effect for airline travel in this country. Why not protect our children in the same manner?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2004417)

It's a long way from mask mandates to "death camps"
That's like saying seat belt mandates lead to road tests every 6 months which leads to mandatory participation in a roadside chain gang:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Do you know why the courts upheld seat belt laws, even for a single person with no family driving alone and getting in a single car accident? It was because the cost of any excess injury that was incurred due to a lack of seat belt use would ultimately be shared by other people, whether Medicare, Medicaid, No-fault, or private insurance. Hence it was ruled constitutional and legal.

Not a big leap to conclude that mask mandates would be ultimately upheld under the same principle.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2004031)

Cold and flu was down because everyone was working from home, kids were zooming for classes and people finally figured out how to wash their hands...

Originally Posted by DeeCee Dubya (Post 2004184)

Bean If I told you they were monsters underneath your bed, would you believe that too?

Originally Posted by gweisheipl (Post 2004197)

What about mandatory hand washing? What about mandatory tooth brushing? What about mandatory chap stick use? What about mandatory no kissing? You people are so hung up on face diapers that are never worn correctly. All Ridiculous! COVID is with us forever, so is mandatory mask wearing forever? Not for this guy!

Originally Posted by Gunny2403 (Post 2004201)

Rather than let you know explicitly what I think of you and your post, let’s just say I disagree with the entire post

Originally Posted by Conniehar (Post 2004205)

You seriously believe the CDC? There was no flu last year because everything was classified as COVID. This is all such a joke! Masks don’t work! COVID is here to stay! Let the kids breathe!

Originally Posted by merrymini (Post 2004239)

Children have been harmed by not going to school, perhaps unmeasurably harmed.
I am certain that those same children continue to wear the useless masks outside of the classroom too.
These organizations lie so much, they would not know the truth if it hit them in the nose.
Mandates are a terrible idea.
People who are vaccinated get sick too.
This is coronavirus 19, meaning there are 18 that have come before it.
You are being played.

Originally Posted by Ksfirefighter (Post 2004245)

Nope, not buying it. The ones that make the mask rules are always caught without masks in public at parties. If you think masks work then wear one and leave me and mine alone.
Get the shot and you wont get Covid. That’s what they say!

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2004493)

How about, "hello Congressman can we please have National Health Care so that we can ALL afford to get good Pediatric and Public Healthcare like all the rest of the free, 1st world nations."

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2004497)

Lower because of masks......indisputable.

Originally Posted by Katieburr (Post 2004531)

Absolutely agree! If mandating masking had happened from the very beginning we would not be in the state we’re in now. And now our children are getting sick and dying. How on earth does anyone justify this?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2004540)

How about it-----you mean turn our best health care in the world into another European type crap socialist program where you die waiting for care???? No thanks.

Originally Posted by SkBlogW (Post 2004430)

Singapore says hold my beer

80% vaccinated, 91% mask compliance gets you this:

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2003960)

A mask mandate for children in school is necessary to slow the spread of this Covid virus. Parents should not have the ability or freedom to choose whether their child wears a mask in the classroom. That decision should not be up to the parents. Universal masking is effective only when EVERYONE (all the children and teachers) wears a mask in the classroom. Masks should be worn PROPERLY by covering the NOSE and MOUTH at all times. One reason why masking has not worked for us is that compliance of wearing masks properly is practically non existent.

This is what the CDC says about the effectiveness of Universal masking as source control.....

Science Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2 | CDC

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2004588)

Is this graph accurate? Why should anyone believe this?

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2004417)

It's a long way from mask mandates to "death camps"
That's like saying seat belt mandates lead to road tests every 6 months which leads to mandatory participation in a roadside chain gang:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Do you know why the courts upheld seat belt laws, even for a single person with no family driving alone and getting in a single car accident? It was because the cost of any excess injury that was incurred due to a lack of seat belt use would ultimately be shared by other people, whether Medicare, Medicaid, No-fault, or private insurance. Hence it was ruled constitutional and legal.

Not a big leap to conclude that mask mandates would be ultimately upheld under the same principle.

Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2004539)

I'm fully vaccinated and do not wear a mask anywhere unless it is required. Since I've been fully vaccinated, I can count on one hand the amount of times I have worn a mask. I've already said this, I believe but will repeat it to address your post specifically. My OP was to address school age children who can not be vaccinated and will be sitting in classrooms for in person learning.