The "propaganda" works both ways ya know.

Don’t believe anything thing you read of see!
It’s all BS
Nothing is real it’s all propaganda brainwashing

And just keep living like a prisoner, nope I’d rather be dead...sorry but I’ve lived my life pretty much as normal through this entire thing, and I’ve not had Covid even being with people who had it and later found out and not having any vaccines, and won’t....it will not rule my life...

I'm with you.

Sarcasm?
 

[QUOTE=LiverpoolWalrus;1918636]In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science[/QUOTE Smells like sarcasm to me

You are correct. Welcome to the MSM!

Very true the point of the statistic is that no matter what you do there is a chance of failure. Do you certainly remember the Russian nuclear plant and in the same year the Pennsylvania nuclear plant both imploding or exploding? And yet experts said it was one in a million chance. That's why we have statistics and yet statistics don't tell the whole story. I am fine at 5% because once most of us get the shots that's 5% because 5% of 5% of 5% of 5%, meaning that was in the next 6 to 12 months the rate of infections will go down to a very small percent of people of which I will probably not meet any that are truly sick or infected. You can stay in your house all you want but that's not living

LiverpoolWalrus- As many viruses mutate, new versions may appear on a regular basis. Therefore, will you stay in your house indefinitely?

This is too extreme
 

I understand your concern but staying home all the time is too severe. Going out with caution gives some immunity itself. Until all are vaccinated we need to take mask protection in close quarters. Sadly those to mourn the previous administration will never care about anyone but themselves...so those who do care, should try and live as best they can. Dont lock yourself away.

Vaccination protects you.
 

Vaccination protects you from Covid serious illness including hospitalizations and death.

I'm not sure whether you are being facetious or not. However, if you are serious, may I opine that you are on sitting on the brink of insanity. Your brain is numb to the touch. You will likely be admitted to a nut house before you ever get the virus. Again, if you are serious, then continue to be afraid, be very afraid. Your First Amendment rights certainly allow you personal, chicken-little group-think and of an illogic mindset. Yes, I defend your right to be illogical and a group-thinker, but my First Amendment rights allow me to say you are half-crazy, in the least.

From what i read yesterday in the CDC site was that only J&J has shown 100% protection against death. The other vaccines are at 85 or 86%. Also, the first two vaccines have an efficacy rate of 95% but one needs to remember that those trials were conducted without the variants. If they had been tried with the variants, their efficacy rates would be considerably lower than that number.

Though I feel it should have been pointed out the efficacy rate for the first two vaccines are considerably lower if one considers the variants, I am very happy that you posted this. People are going around acting like they’re 100% protected, and they’re not.

I personally feel that a month after one has been fully vaccinated, one should be tested for the amount of antibodies one has. And it would be helpful if we were again tested every 3 or 6 months to verify immunity. Otherwise, how do we know if we are still being protected by the vaccine? Do we need to have another surge to realize the vaccine is no longer effective?

OP, if you have not left your home in a year, and will stay home until Covid disappears; then you are already dead, you just don’t know it!

When I first read the OP's comments in post #1, I didn't realize his words were "tongue in cheek". I realize after reading more postings of his in this thread that first post was not only tongue in cheek while making his point but hyperbole. I get it now.

If you haven't left home in a year then you're already dead. Your coffin is just a lot bigger than most.

That may be the point. Just as likely to occur as all the proposed harms of the op.

Are you kidding me!

Nice one! Your sense of humour is appreciated in times such as these.

Oh my goodness!!!!!!!
 

This is the most absurd thing I have ever heard. Please please....you stay home and cower in your house. I didn’t work my whole life to retire and be scared of getting sick. You stay home....more room for me at The Squares and markets and pools and golf courses....so PLEASE you stay home

So many people post here - and they throw all kinds of numbers out - if you want to believe them - fine. But, they are not experts. Are they epidemiologists? Are they statisticians? I doubt it - they read an article and regurgitate the numbers like they know what they are talking about. If they were experts - they’d probably place their credentials in the post.

I am in my 70s. I have travelled by plane - many times this past year - to visit friends and family. I have welcomed people in my new home since I have moved here - no masks required (I always wear one in public places that require masks & practice social distancing - I do it to be considerate to those who fear) - but not required in my home.

I choose to live life in good and bad times. I have encountered so many threats over the past 70 years - how have I gotten thru them? I have had help from others, I am there for others and I do not run away and hide.

I think his glass is half empty.

Life is too short my friend. Live till you die!

Judging by the responses, Walrus, methinks your sarcasm fell on deaf ears:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

You say it's all over the internet, but only what they want you to see. Do you not have any idea how many people have been taken off of all forms of social media because their statements were not nanny state approved? There are hundreds of doctors out there with different opinions than Fraudci & others. This is sad when a Mom in NY gets her 6 yr. old daughter taken away because she did not have on a mask in her car when she dropped her daughter off. A father in Canada gets arrested because he called his trans daughter, his daughter. Do you really want to live in a world that controls every aspect of your life. You need to do some research but you will never find the truth if you believe the main stream media which 90% is controlled by 6 corporations.

Numbers have been skewed since day one. Each individual needs to do what they feel proper for their particular situation. Those attempting to impose their will on others needs to stop. Factual information on COVID fails to be reported honestly in the media. Some will chose to not get the vaccine, some refuse to wear masks, it's a conspiracy to control the population.... Our family has been touched by COVID some very mild cases, two hospitalized in ICU (still struggling), and a life long friend was taken from us. Take a deep breath look at your circumstances and live your best life the way you feel appropriate, allow others to do the same.

Bus would be quicker, keep up the good thoughts.

Please don't encourage people to not get vaccinated.

Yes, the vaccine is 95% effective for complete immunity.

Not getting the vaccine means you are 100% at risk of contacting Covid.

PLEASE DON'T ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO RISK THEIR HEALTH!!

Good you stay home but don't force your views on everyone else. I'm not living like that.

Ok, now I see why this ridiculousness was posted. I'd become mentally unstable as well if I stayed home and in the host for a month. I've made multiple trips to caribbean islands and the squares since recovering from Covid last year.

I can't let myself whither and die!

very good idea. Stay home

The sad part of this is that with all the MSM fear producing propaganda this last year a post like this was not seen immediately as sideways humor (including by me). There have been many, many posts exactly like this over the last year that were meant sincerely. And we know the numbers have been skewed from day one. Amazing how so many other "normal" illnesses have gone away completely - and no one is dying from them anymore. At least in the last year. It will be interesting to see how all of this isolation and masking will have affected everyone's immune system to other things. I have been respectful of others space but have done nothing to isolate my immune system from normal life and normal germs this last year.

Don't try to talk these people out of staying home for the next few years!

I sincerely hope you are joking about not leaving your home in over a year and advising others to stay home. In perspective of your facts and figures, I have a much better chance of getting bumped off by a golf cart while taking my walk on the MMP every day due to discourteous, drivers who are unwilling to slow down even a little.

Great another tee time not taken , thanks

Afraid to come out of the house fearing the 5%
 

Seriously, how long are you going to stay in the house. It must get lonely hiding under that bed!

We had our Pfizer vaccinations and feel pretty confident that we are protected.

Your living in prison. The Polio vaccine had an efficacy rate of 90%. When you were a kid did you hide in house after receiving the double dose vaccine. Today it’s closer to 99% as the vaccine has been improved and they now give three doses. The measles’s vaccine had an efficacy rate of 96%. Are you still staying home after all these years because there is a 4% chance you could get measles. Very rarely is a vaccine 100% effective. So my advice is get out of your house and start living life because at our age there is not a lot of it left. I cannot tell you how sorryI am for you.

Staying home
 

I hope they find your body after you die.

Wow! Stay inside rest your life? Some choose to love life. Some choose to live in fear.

I had no idea LiverpoolWalrus was Fauci's screen name. Triple Mask!

1. I would wish to thank you all for this morning's entertainment. It was
Certainly lively and informative, for better or for worse.

2. I didn't get to read every post and skipped over a good number who reposted some long diatribe before adding their own comments. Augh... really?

3. Just keep buying all that Chinese s**t. Can't wait to see what their next curse on humankind might be. Did we forget where all that cr@p came from? Convenient memories.