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LiverpoolWalrus 03-20-2021 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Kenswing (Post 1918644)
Five percent of the people exposed will get it. So what are the chances of being exposed? Then take 5% of that. I feel good about my chances.

Actually, nobody knows the percent of people who will get infected after they're exposed, with or without the vaccine. The 5% is the portion of vaccinated people predicted to have mild symptoms - if they happen to get infected after being jabbed. Among unvaccinated people who get infected, 20% are predicted to have no symptoms or mild symptoms. So the vaccine gives you a 15% "upgrade" in your chances of being okay if you get infected. Each person has to make a personal decision as to whether that upgrade is worth it.

coffeebean 03-20-2021 08:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918636)
In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science
That is it in a nutshell. That is the BIG KAHUNA for me and hubby. THAT is why we are vaccinated. We have been out and about all along but have been very careful and have followed all CDC guidelines. No more fears now that we are vaccinated. We still follow CDC guidelines but with a huge sigh of relief.

coffeebean 03-20-2021 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1918637)
My understanding is that the 5% who caught Covid in the trials after vaccination, did not develop serious illness, were not hospitalized and none died. So even then there was a certain amount of protection.
That is my understanding also because that is what has been reported by the Moderna vaccine manufacturer.

LiverpoolWalrus 03-20-2021 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1918680)
However, paranoid IS in the dictionary:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:
I hope you're not referring to me, good doctor. Sorry you didn't catch the tongue-in-cheek slant of my post, even with the "gullibility" quip! Is it even possible to not leave one's house for a year...and quarantine delivered goods and then spray them down?

How would I have been able to see the Hooligans all those times over the past year?

coffeebean 03-20-2021 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918664)
Thank you for this, Velvet. I looked into it further and you appear to be right. So I edited my heavily tongue-in-cheek post to reflect this fact. Too bad the posts that quote my original post will show the unedited version. But let the record show that it appears that 100% of the vaccinated are protected from serious illness or death. The 5% will only have mild symptoms and that's only IF they get infected.
And............there are still people who ask, "why bother to be vaccinated if you still have to wear a mask and social distance?" Those are the folks who are misguided and misinformed.

LiverpoolWalrus 03-20-2021 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1918756)
And............there are still people who ask, "why bother to be vaccinated if you still have to wear a mask and social distance?" Those are the folks who are misguided and misinformed.
Yes, I just heard a commentator on the conservative Patriot “news”
station say exactly that yesterday. They know better than that. They’re just pandering to their base.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-20-2021 09:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918759)
Yes, I just heard a commentator on the conservative Patriot “news”
station say exactly that yesterday. They know better than that. They’re just pandering to their base.
They helped create their base. Standard marketing strategy: a) find a need and fill it. b) if you can't find a need, create one, convince everyone they have it, and then fill it.

That's not news. It's propaganda.

camaguey48 03-20-2021 09:40 PM
Not a chsncr3
 
Home for over a year? Forget how to live. Faith over fear.

jswirs 03-21-2021 03:13 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918636)
In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science
Please accept my most sincere condolences on your loss(es).

tuccillo 03-21-2021 04:07 AM
In order to use the vaccine efficacy stats correctly you need to know the probability of developing COVID if you are exposed. The vaccine efficacy stat really represents the reduction in the probability that you will develop COVID if you are vaccinated when compared to not being vaccinated. Again, it is a probability. For example, say your probability of developing COVID if you are exposed is 5% if you are not vaccinated. If you are vaccinated with the Moderna vaccine then the probability of developing COVID would drop to 0.25% (20x reduction in the probability since the efficacy is 95%). Efficacy stats are probably best used to compare different vaccines but how the trails are conducted is always different (for example, the definition of a "positive" result was not the same for the different trials and the different trials did not use the same control and test groups) so it is a bit of an apples-to-oranges comparison. Also, keep in mind that one of the results from the trials was that nobody who was vaccinated developed severe symptoms.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918636)
In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science

stanley 03-21-2021 04:22 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1918764)
They helped create their base. Standard marketing strategy: a) find a need and fill it. b) if you can't find a need, create one, convince everyone they have it, and then fill it.

That's not news. It's propaganda.
The "propaganda" works both ways ya know.

Tom2172 03-21-2021 04:45 AM
Don’t believe anything thing you read of see!
It’s all BS
Nothing is real it’s all propaganda brainwashing

Cobullymom 03-21-2021 04:47 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LiverpoolWalrus (Post 1918636)
In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science
And just keep living like a prisoner, nope I’d rather be dead...sorry but I’ve lived my life pretty much as normal through this entire thing, and I’ve not had Covid even being with people who had it and later found out and not having any vaccines, and won’t....it will not rule my life...

dkintzer1 03-21-2021 05:11 AM
I'm with you.

thevillages2013 03-21-2021 05:11 AM
Sarcasm?
 
[QUOTE=LiverpoolWalrus;1918636]In talking to folks, they don’t seem to realize that the 95% efficacy rate of Covid vaccines means that the vaccine will not offer complete protection 5% of the time. If the vaccine fails in 5% of people who receive the vaccine and are later infected, that 5% still has a risk of mild symptoms.*

So even if we assume that everyone is vaccinated, 5 out of every 100 people are still going to be susceptible to Covid. The good news for everyone, inoculated or not is (and it’s the same good news we’ve had all along):

1. Not everyone who is out and about is going to get infected. Far from it. Covid has only infected a minority of the population. Yes there are millions of symptom-free infected people who don’t know they are/were infected, but when you tally the total of known and statistical infections, the majority of the population has not been infected, even after a year.

2. IF you are unvaccinated and get infected, you have an 80% chance of having no symptoms or a mild case with no long term effects. Repeat - 80%. That percentage is the aggregate and accounts for all age groups with or without comorbidities. And it means that if you are quite elderly AND have a compromised immune system, you’ll probably STILL be okay. This fact is all over the internet from reputable sources, but the media doesn’t publicize it. It also means, however, that you have a 20% chance of having symptoms, perhaps severe symptoms.

That said, the vaccinated people are not 100% protected. They still have a 5% chance of having symptoms and I’m not sure they understand this. They do seem to understand, because Fauci said so, that they do still have a chance of being a carrier and passing it on to someone else if they get infected.

So I ask: Most of us were VERY concerned when we had a 20% chance. Some were petrified. Why aren’t we still wringing our hands and clutching our pearls with a 5% chance? Is it because the vaccine seems to be 100% effective against hospitalization and death?*

The only solution is people need to continue to stay home. No restaurants, no town squares, continue to have your goods delivered to your home. Keep them quarantined for a week and then sanitize them. Never touch your face with unwashed hands. No guests of any kind in your home.

And if you do need to go out, wear two masks, stay 6 feet apart. And don’t shake hands with anyone.

That’s how you stay safe.

Me, I have not left my home in a year, and I will stay home until Covid disappears whether I get vaccinated or not.


* Source: COVID-19 vaccines: What does 95% efficacy actually mean? | Live Science[/QUOTE Smells like sarcasm to me


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