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Warren 11-11-2020 07:35 AM
We may get vaccinated and that is good for those who accept the vaccine and actually do get vaccinated. There are those who will no get vaccinated and there are those here and all over the world who will not have access to the vaccine. The virus will be around for many many years to come. That is what they are not telling us. We will develop ways to treat the virus so it will be less deadly to the world population. Once i get my vaccination I see no reason to continue to wear the mask.

donassaid 11-11-2020 07:59 AM
Since 99.9% of people recover from this virus, i will not be taking any vaccines, as all of them contain dangerous metals, formaldehyde,etc. And I will remain among the 16% of those who have tested positive NOT wearing a mask rather than the 84% who wore a mask most, if not all the time.

jbrown132 11-11-2020 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1858803)
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.
In about two months my guess is that we will be wearing masks for the rest of our lives.

Mardarlowe 11-11-2020 08:07 AM
I've had enough. Enough already. No vaccine and no mask. Lock me up.

OrangeBlossomBaby 11-11-2020 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1859251)
Since 99.9% of people recover from this virus, i will not be taking any vaccines, as all of them contain dangerous metals, formaldehyde,etc. And I will remain among the 16% of those who have tested positive NOT wearing a mask rather than the 84% who wore a mask most, if not all the time.
So you will purposefully and intentionally be a Typhoid Mary.

I'm sure you're very nice.

rlcooper70 11-11-2020 08:12 AM
Once you have the vaccine will you wear a yellow armband to let people know you are safe?

For the most part ... the mask protects others from you ... gives the message that you care about them. How will you communicate that you are now safe with the vaccine? Curious. And this assumes you care .... of course.

Bill1701 11-11-2020 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1858803)
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.
A recent survey showed that less than 50% plan to get the vaccine. How do you know who got it and who didn't? I expect the mask policy at stores, etc. to continue well after the vaccine is available. I don't wear a mask if I am outside, but I do at public places. I would continue to do that.

ismatta 11-11-2020 08:36 AM
I would continue to wear a mask until the infection rate drops to levels deemed safe by the infectious disease specialists. I don’t have a problem wearing a mask, it’s a very minor inconvenience that offers significant benefit. I also always buckle my seatbelt when driving. What in the world is the big deal about wearing a mask? Seriously.

merrymini 11-11-2020 08:42 AM
Freedom
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1859146)
You should go live in a country that doesn't have a government, if you don't like one where you have to abide by its laws (which is how government tells you what to do).

Good luck, and bon voyage.
This is still a free country. People here in the villages cannot even abide by simple, easy deed restrictions and I am tired of being ordered about. Get your vaccine and believe those “experts.” Why would anyone wear a mask if they are getting the vaccine? You people are sheep and ready to be herded just like Europe was by the Nazi’s.

Marathon Man 11-11-2020 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Happinow (Post 1859143)
I will not get the vaccine and will not wear a mask. I did when the virus first started...for months. Upon hearing the wishy washy mask on mask off from the “experts”, I came to my own conclusion that they are useless. I don’t wear one now. I social distance and wash my hands. Given that Bill Gates is involved with the vaccine and he wants to decrease the population, I’m gonna pass on that vaccine. No more vaccines for me. I trust no one nowadays when it comes to telling me what’s best for me. I can make my own decisions and don’t need the government telling me what to do.
:1rotfl:

Marathon Man 11-11-2020 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1858803)
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.
We know it, too.

"I wear the thinnest mask I could find. Not for protection, but to make scaredy cats feel safe when I am around them. And I just smile at the folks in Publix or Walmart that are maskless. Of course they can't see my smile. Since 99.4% of those infected recover from the virus, I figure I have a better chance of getting bit by a poisonous snake and dying."

Cheiro 11-11-2020 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1858803)
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.
Since one of the primary focuses of mask-wearing is to protect others, one would think that even when the vaccine is available, continuing to wear the mask is a good idea. While the vaccine may be 90% effective, there is still that 10% and you may be one of those; so, continuing to wear the mask as a protection is still a good idea. It is all a matter of all of us banding together to keep eachother (especially our family & friends) protected and safe.

sallyg 11-11-2020 09:14 AM
Yes.

Heyitsrick 11-11-2020 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheiro (Post 1859300)
Since one of the primary focuses of mask-wearing is to protect others, one would think that even when the vaccine is available, continuing to wear the mask is a good idea. While the vaccine may be 90% effective, there is still that 10% and you may be one of those; so, continuing to wear the mask as a protection is still a good idea. It is all a matter of all of us banding together to keep eachother (especially our family & friends) protected and safe.
I wear a mask now and I don't complain about it. But I'm not going to go through the rest of my life wearing masks and restricting my movements and interactions once I've been vaccinated. That's not living.

This is from WHO, which got it from the CDC:

"First, no vaccine is 100% effective. To make vaccines safer than the disease, the bacteria or virus is killed or weakened (attenuated). For reasons related to the individual, not all vaccinated persons develop immunity. Most routine childhood vaccines are effective for 85% to 95% of recipients."

85 - 95%. Are we going to run scared because up to 15% of those who were vaccinated might still be susceptible to viruses?

Presumably most people who live in TV are well into the latter part of their lives. Do we all want to live the rest of our lives sequestered and limited in our interactions after being vaccinated?

coffeebean 11-11-2020 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Eg_cruz@comcast.net (Post 1859228)
I will not be getting the shot....people are crazy if they do.....in my humble opinion
FYI people in trails have died from it. It is too rushed too new......so I will pass
There was one man who died in one of the vaccine trials for Astra Zeneca and it was made known that that man did NOT receive the vaccine. He received the placebo.

Please provide a link that people in trials have died. I have not heard anything to that effect.

coffeebean 11-11-2020 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by donassaid (Post 1859251)
Since 99.9% of people recover from this virus, i will not be taking any vaccines, as all of them contain dangerous metals, formaldehyde,etc. And I will remain among the 16% of those who have tested positive NOT wearing a mask rather than the 84% who wore a mask most, if not all the time.
Those statistics do not seem reasonable.....at all. Please provide a link so I can read those skewed numbers like you did.

coffeebean 11-11-2020 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill1701 (Post 1859288)
A recent survey showed that less than 50% plan to get the vaccine. How do you know who got it and who didn't? I expect the mask policy at stores, etc. to continue well after the vaccine is available. I don't wear a mask if I am outside, but I do at public places. I would continue to do that.
I do not plan to wear a mask once I wait enough time after the the second injection. I would like to see a button people can wear, similar to the "I Voted" stickers that says, "I had the Covid vaccine". I will put that button on my purse and let everyone know I am no threat to them. I'm also hoping there will be some sort of card that can be carried on your person that identifies someone as having been vaccinated for Covid.

GPGuar 11-11-2020 10:25 AM
Oh thank God …… ANOTHER THREAD ON MASKS!!!! :a040::clap2::MOJE_whot:

coffeebean 11-11-2020 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Cheiro (Post 1859300)
Since one of the primary focuses of mask-wearing is to protect others, one would think that even when the vaccine is available, continuing to wear the mask is a good idea. While the vaccine may be 90% effective, there is still that 10% and you may be one of those; so, continuing to wear the mask as a protection is still a good idea. It is all a matter of all of us banding together to keep eachother (especially our family & friends) protected and safe.
I am a huge proponent of mask wearing indoors but I will be ready to ditch the mask after I have been vaccinated and wait the proper amount of time for immunity to kick in.

airstreamingypsy 11-11-2020 10:32 AM
I will continue to do what the experts say to do. If they say wear a mask after I get the vaccine, I will. If they say just wear it for a certain amount of time I will.

jimjamuser 11-11-2020 10:37 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MDLNB (Post 1858803)
The new vaccine is better than 90% effective according to reports on testing.

Question: Will you still wear a mask after you get the vaccination? I know my answer but I am interested in the opinions of others that have been very adamant regarding the use of masks and their demand that EVERYONE wear masks.
Talk of the vaccine is VERY premature. Best case for the Joe Ordinaries, like you and I, is to be delivered by Dec 2021. Delivery is going to be difficult because it needs to be stored at negative 100 degrees F. The DPA will FINALLY need to be activated to produce enough freezer equipment for ALL US hospitals to be vaccine delivery centers. Also, 2 doses needed. And right now only 50% of the people would choose to take that vaccine. So, a huge education undertaking will be needed to convince the public of its effectiveness. The whole thing is too PREMATURE to even discuss intelligently at this early stage. Many things will change in that time period. It is a fluid situation.

Use of masks: Again too premature to get too opinionated about that. Social norms are always changing. It may be a statement today to NOT wear a mask - but, in a few months, everyone COULD (?) be wearing one. I, personally, hope that the price of N-95s drops down significantly and is available to everyone - again the DPA is much needed - and it could mean needed manufacturing jobs in the US!

Charlie'sDad 11-11-2020 10:55 AM
Not going to wear the mask !
 
I don't recall any discussions about wearing a mask AFTER the vaccine is available. Just curious as to whether or not folks will still believe that a mask mandate should be enforced. Not to get into a political discussion, the new reign seems to believe in a mask mandate and I was wondering if anyone thinks it is necessary if a vaccine is available.


After I get the vaccine I'm not going to wear the mask. I'm going to look for a tee shirt that says: "Not wearing a mask. I had the Vaccine."

stanley 11-11-2020 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1859361)
I would like to see a button people can wear, similar to the "I Voted" stickers that says, "I had the Covid vaccine". I will put that button on my purse and let everyone know I am no threat to them. I'm also hoping there will be some sort of card that can be carried on your person that identifies someone as having been vaccinated for Covid.
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jimjamuser 11-11-2020 11:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1858836)
I seriously doubt that there will be any kind of national mask mandate. First it probably violates states rights. Secondly, who and how would it be enforced? Would the police arrest people who are walking down the street without a mask? I don't know that anyone would want to get involved with that.

I will be happy to get rid on my mask once I get the vaccine. The chances of my getting would be 10% or less and the chances of my giving it to someone else would be even less than that.

The idea of a vaccine is to get us back to normal.
I would NOT take my CV medical advice from people that encourage Villagers to meet indoors during a plague. Indoors is 15 times as bad as outdoors. Villagers should not act like they are 20 years old. You can act "normal" when it is all over and EVERYONE is vaccinated. You CAN act normal now if you want to, but you are a danger to your fellow human beings, especially the old ones.

jimjamuser 11-11-2020 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1858855)
The question is would you wear your mask AFTER receiving the vaccine? The time that it will take to be distributed is irrelevant. How it is shipped and stored is irrelevant. if it takes two doses you have received the vaccine after you have received your two doses.

So once the vaccine is shipped here and stored at -100 degrees and you have your two doses, whether that is next week, next month or November of 2021, would you continue to wear your mask?
Not irrelevant at all.

MaxCat 11-11-2020 11:12 AM
My expectation would be that once a vaccine has been administered to the proper number of individuals in the population, that the wearing of masks would be much less important. But I expect to follow the guidance of the CDC and manufacturer of the vaccine if/when that happens. Am guessing that once a vaccine has been administered to the proper number of individuals in the population, if you are a normal, healthy person there would likely not be guidance to need to wear a mask. But if you were not so healthy or had certain conditions, you might be advised to continue wearing a medical grade (i.e. N95) mask for your own protection -- as you would to avoid catching any kind of illness. But just guessing. Guidance from the CDC will be needed.

coffeebean 11-11-2020 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Charlie'sDad (Post 1859379)
I don't recall any discussions about wearing a mask AFTER the vaccine is available. Just curious as to whether or not folks will still believe that a mask mandate should be enforced. Not to get into a political discussion, the new reign seems to believe in a mask mandate and I was wondering if anyone thinks it is necessary if a vaccine is available.


After I get the vaccine I'm not going to wear the mask. I'm going to look for a tee shirt that says: "Not wearing a mask. I had the Vaccine."
Do you think a button would do?

jimjamuser 11-11-2020 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1858986)
Once vaccinated, I will NOT wear a mask again. After all, according to the mask moderators on here, the mask is only to protect them. Since I will not be threatening anymore, they will have no reason to demand that I wear a mask. As a matter of fact, I forgot to put my mask back on when I entered Publix a while back and no one even mentioned it to me. I suddenly realized that I did not have it on and reached into my pocket and put it on. I mentioned it to one employee that was watching me, and asked why they did not say anything to me. The employee said that they were instructed NOT to mention it and that they could not enforce mask wearing. After reading a lot of these forum threads on masks and the virus, I am no longer wearing my mask as much. As a matter of fact, I do not wear a mask in any restaurant and will not wear a mask unless the business I wish to enter posts a sign.
Don't get me wrong, I do not disparage anyone that wishes to protect themselves (or others) and wishes to wear a mask. And I do make it a habit to distance myself from others, wearing or not wearing a mask. I am just not going to allow hysteria and paralyzing fear to ruin my lifestyle.
I understand that there is a better than 90% success rate for the vaccine. Kudos for this administration and their fast pacing the vaccine creation. I am amazed at the fast response I have observed from our leaders in their effort to restore a depleted PPE stockpile and the corporations that were recruited to mass produce all these protective items that have been needed to combat the pandemic.
SO, the answer to the question is: Once the vaccine is available, I will NOT wear a mask. And I won't be wearing one during flu season either. Just the same, stay your distance from me.
Pfizer specifically said that they took no (ZERO) money from the US government. It was developed by a small German Company that partnered with Pfizer for some reason(?) maybe money, maybe better distribution. Praise the German scientists if you want to praise something that is correct and not BS propaganda!

Joorn59 11-11-2020 11:26 AM
I will still wear a mask in grocery stores, pharmacies and in crowds. I wore a mask as a surgical RN my whole life and rarely got a cold, never got the flu.
As I age I figure it’s a good rule going forward.

jimjamuser 11-11-2020 11:29 AM
Absolutely true! Good job educating TV Land to the REAL facts. It is difficult to counter propaganda.

jimjamuser 11-11-2020 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1859008)
And you do not believe that Pfizer was motivated by the competition created by Op Warp Spd?
What a desperate attempt to throw a curveball and obscure real facts. If you do not like the facts, make up your own narrative.............desperate!

jimjamuser 11-11-2020 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Going My Way (Post 1859050)
. . . . . . We are almost getting there....
That is strange to the point of being frightening!

Malsua 11-11-2020 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1859401)
Pfizer specifically said that they took no (ZERO) money from the US government. It was developed by a small German Company that partnered with Pfizer for some reason(?) maybe money, maybe better distribution. Praise the German scientists if you want to praise something that is correct and not BS propaganda!
Except that Pfizier is promised 1.95 Billion for distribution once there is approval. If you think Operation Warp speed didn't have an effect on their calculus you're mistaken.
They didn't take any money _YET_, but they will make a tremendous profit once it's approved.

graciegirl 11-11-2020 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1859372)
Talk of the vaccine is VERY premature. Best case for the Joe Ordinaries, like you and I, is to be delivered by Dec 2021. Delivery is going to be difficult because it needs to be stored at negative 100 degrees F. The DPA will FINALLY need to be activated to produce enough freezer equipment for ALL US hospitals to be vaccine delivery centers. Also, 2 doses needed. And right now only 50% of the people would choose to take that vaccine. So, a huge education undertaking will be needed to convince the public of its effectiveness. The whole thing is too PREMATURE to even discuss intelligently at this early stage. Many things will change in that time period. It is a fluid situation.

Use of masks: Again too premature to get too opinionated about that. Social norms are always changing. It may be a statement today to NOT wear a mask - but, in a few months, everyone COULD (?) be wearing one. I, personally, hope that the price of N-95s drops down significantly and is available to everyone - again the DPA is much needed - and it could mean needed manufacturing jobs in the US!
I expect for you to be vaccinated by Jan 30, 2020.

graciegirl 11-11-2020 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1859395)
Do you think a button would do?
I thought a billboard. Whooooooooooooooooooopie. I might even get a tattoo.







NOT.

stanley 11-11-2020 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1859420)
I might even get a tattoo.

NOT.
Don't be surprised if something to that effect is mandatory.
See post 63 :duck:
:shocked:

Kilmacowen 11-11-2020 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 1859404)
Absolutely true! Good job educating TV Land to the REAL facts. It is difficult to counter propaganda.
So true , just Google "Prestige Ameritech" for the facts on N95 masks that our government refused at the end of January.

cherylncliff 11-11-2020 12:03 PM
Most vaccines take at least 2 weeks to become fully effective so that would be 2 weeks following your second injection of the Pfizer vaccine for a total of 5 weeks from first injection. I may also continue to wear a mask in public until the rate of vaccination gets to 50% or better. I am guessing there are a lot of people who will not get vaccinated as they are not even willing to show enough concern for themselves or others to wear a mask.

Byte1 11-11-2020 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by cherylncliff (Post 1859425)
Most vaccines take at least 2 weeks to become fully effective so that would be 2 weeks following your second injection of the Pfizer vaccine for a total of 5 weeks from first injection. I may also continue to wear a mask in public until the rate of vaccination gets to 50% or better. I am guessing there are a lot of people who will not get vaccinated as they are not even willing to show enough concern for themselves or others to wear a mask.
Or maybe they just don't believe the hype? Or, maybe they just do not agree with some folks that think the mask is the end all.....the answer to survival. Some folks may just be afraid of getting the vaccination. Some folks may think they have an immunity to the virus and do not need it. It's a free country and one should respect the rights of others having an opinion, even if one believes them to be wrong.

Byte1 11-11-2020 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by stanley (Post 1859421)
Don't be surprised if something to that effect is mandatory.
See post 63 :duck:
:shocked:
No, not a barcode tattoo. Probably a chip like they put in pets. :a040:


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