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Katieburr 04-21-2021 01:05 PM

And this is how the virus goes on and on and on. The anti maskers, the vaccine nonbelievers, and the wait and see-ers are the reason we are still in this mess. It is not that difficult to wear a mask, and get a shot. After all, we’ve been getting shots in the arm since we were all babies. The only way out to is follow the science. My husband and I are fully vaccinated and it felt like a weight off our shoulders to get that done.

chet2020 04-21-2021 04:52 PM

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Originally Posted by shelley77 (Post 1932386)
Here's some Science:

Abstract
Many countries across the globe utilized medical and non-medical facemasks as non-pharmaceutical intervention for reducing the transmission and infectivity of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ efficacy is lacking, adverse physiological, psychological and health effects are established. Is has been hypothesized that facemasks have compromised safety and efficacy profile and should be avoided from use. The current article comprehensively summarizes scientific evidences with respect to wearing facemasks in the COVID-19 era, providing prosper information for public health and decisions making.

Here's the whole study, if you're really interested in the "Science"

Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis

This paper has one author. The title of the paper is "Face Masks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis." Note the word "hypothesis." It was published in the journal "Medical Hypotheses" which says its purpose "is to publish interesting theoretical papers. The journal will consider radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas provided they are coherently expressed."

In a nutshell, it's just this guy's opinion. This paper is crap.

newgirl 04-21-2021 06:27 PM

Hope not, my second shot made me sicker then a dog for 8 days!

Byte1 04-22-2021 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by shelley77 (Post 1932386)
Here's some Science:

Abstract
Many countries across the globe utilized medical and non-medical facemasks as non-pharmaceutical intervention for reducing the transmission and infectivity of coronavirus disease-2019 (COVID-19). Although, scientific evidence supporting facemasks’ efficacy is lacking, adverse physiological, psychological and health effects are established. Is has been hypothesized that facemasks have compromised safety and efficacy profile and should be avoided from use. The current article comprehensively summarizes scientific evidences with respect to wearing facemasks in the COVID-19 era, providing prosper information for public health and decisions making.

Here's the whole study, if you're really interested in the "Science"

Facemasks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis

Interesting article. And from the NIH too. If I am not mistaken, this kind of reinforces what Golfing Eagles has said all along. :thumbup:

Byte1 04-22-2021 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by chet2020 (Post 1933264)
This paper has one author. The title of the paper is "Face Masks in the COVID-19 era: A health hypothesis." Note the word "hypothesis." It was published in the journal "Medical Hypotheses" which says its purpose "is to publish interesting theoretical papers. The journal will consider radical, speculative and non-mainstream scientific ideas provided they are coherently expressed."

In a nutshell, it's just this guy's opinion. This paper is crap.

I understand that the NIH has a pretty good reputation. Do you have some reason to disagree? Perhaps if this same article was published in the NYT, it would pass scrutiny?

Byte1 04-22-2021 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1932584)
Well, if it meant that we were all safe, I’d wear a tent personally. Survival of the fittest ... in our case fittest of the mind.

I know members of the nudist colony would not likely agree with me, but I still have a hard time with understanding why people who wear socks, or other clothing regularly, seem so concerned about face masks. And then when it comes to skiing and cold they have no concerns.

Maybe we "wear socks, or other clothing" for comfort. I don't wear a mask which hinders my breathing for COMFORT.

chet2020 04-22-2021 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1933473)
I understand that the NIH has a pretty good reputation. Do you have some reason to disagree? Perhaps if this same article was published in the NYT, it would pass scrutiny?

The NIH keeps a listing of all scientific papers, good or bad, as does the Library of Congress. The NIH did not write this paper. Just like your local library does not write the books that are on its shelves. The LinkedIn page of the author is below. He is a "Clinical Exercise Physiologist" (not a physician) and is currently unemployed. But sure, forget the opinions of physicians, virologists, and epidemiologists in the world who study this full-time, this exercise physiologist has it all figured out.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-v...boim-5591b532/

Byte1 04-22-2021 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by chet2020 (Post 1933560)
The NIH keeps a listing of all scientific papers, good or bad, as does the Library of Congress. The NIH did not write this paper. Just like your local library does not write the books that are on its shelves. The LinkedIn page of the author is below. He is a "Clinical Exercise Physiologist" (not a physician) and is currently unemployed. But sure, forget the opinions of physicians, virologists, and epidemiologists in the world who study this full-time, this exercise physiologist has it all figured out.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/baruch-v...boim-5591b532/

Ok, good. Now tell me what you disagree with from the article. I can accept disparaging of the "Clinical Exercise Physiologist" as not meeting your standards of "Expert" but I am interested in the errors you might have found. I am always open to "FACTS" but it seems we get opinions from many "EXPERTS." Thank you for your response.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-22-2021 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1933473)
I understand that the NIH has a pretty good reputation. Do you have some reason to disagree? Perhaps if this same article was published in the NYT, it would pass scrutiny?

The NIH is basically a catch-all for published medical-related papers. It doesn't discriminate between double-blind peer reviewed studies, and op-ed conspiracy pieces. It will publish someone's paper suggesting that the aliens from the planet 14.9992 in the 78th Galaxy have infiltrated our DNA and the human race was actually supposed to be origami cranes, but the Zrrk that injected the DNA misstepped with a gene and so here we are.

As long as the paper is "coherently expressed" they'll publish it.

chet2020 04-22-2021 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1933676)
Ok, good. Now tell me what you disagree with from the article. I can accept disparaging of the "Clinical Exercise Physiologist" as not meeting your standards of "Expert" but I am interested in the errors you might have found. I am always open to "FACTS" but it seems we get opinions from many "EXPERTS." Thank you for your response.

I enjoy reading what exercise physiologists have to say - about exercise physiology.

If you click under "Author Information," all of that info is false. He does not work at VA Palo Alto Health nor Stanford University, and there's no evidence he ever has. So right off the bat, his credibility is an issue.

More to your point, an example from the article: He suggests that wearing a mask can cause hypoxemia (oxygen deficit) without citing any studies that show mask-induced hypoxemia. He provides info about the dangers of hypoxemia, (“It is well established that acute significant deficit in O2 [hypoxemia] and increased levels of CO2 [hypercapnia] even for a few minutes can be severely harmful and lethal, while chronic hypoxemia and hypercapnia cause health deterioration, exacerbation of existing conditions, morbidity and ultimately mortality.”) So he does a great job scaring us about the dangers of hypoxia, then does not provide single reference to a paper linking mask-wearing to hypoxia.

Byte1 04-23-2021 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by chet2020 (Post 1933847)
I enjoy reading what exercise physiologists have to say - about exercise physiology.

If you click under "Author Information," all of that info is false. He does not work at VA Palo Alto Health nor Stanford University, and there's no evidence he ever has. So right off the bat, his credibility is an issue.

More to your point, an example from the article: He suggests that wearing a mask can cause hypoxemia (oxygen deficit) without citing any studies that show mask-induced hypoxemia. He provides info about the dangers of hypoxemia, (“It is well established that acute significant deficit in O2 [hypoxemia] and increased levels of CO2 [hypercapnia] even for a few minutes can be severely harmful and lethal, while chronic hypoxemia and hypercapnia cause health deterioration, exacerbation of existing conditions, morbidity and ultimately mortality.”) So he does a great job scaring us about the dangers of hypoxia, then does not provide single reference to a paper linking mask-wearing to hypoxia.

Excellent response.
However, is there any contradictory evidence to suggest that his(?) opinion is flawed? Just wondering. I hear a lot of opinions that are framed as fact on here, and some folks back up their statements with links to articles. An article that is accepted by NIH surely must have some legitimacy, or am I mistaken? Personally, I find it interesting BUT difficult to accept the author's opinion, primarily based on how many medical professionals and scientists utilize masks for hours, daily. But, that is only my opinion.

Aloha1 04-23-2021 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MSchad (Post 1932704)
So in other words, the vaccines are 100% effective. And the reports of those that have been vaccinated and still contracted the virus are false. And if true, they still couldn’t spread it? And, Dr. Fauci was just on the news saying vaccinated still need to wear masks to prevent spreading in case they unknowingly have the virus. Hmmm

The odds of GETTING Covid after full vaccination as pointed out by Our resident Doc, Golfing Eagles, is .0006 %, so of course there are a FEW who might contract it with little to no risk of dying. If you want to go hide, that's your right. Just don't expect the rest of us to be afraid of living life. As far as Fauci goes, he goes wherever the wind blows. I have lost all faith in his pronouncements.

Topspinmo 04-23-2021 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Petersweeney (Post 1932374)
You know, on the bright side, no one is dying from the flu anymore or pneumonia or whatever


Maybe That cause there all being counted as COVID deaths? :ohdear:

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-23-2021 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1934158)
Excellent response.
However, is there any contradictory evidence to suggest that his(?) opinion is flawed? Just wondering. I hear a lot of opinions that are framed as fact on here, and some folks back up their statements with links to articles. An article that is accepted by NIH surely must have some legitimacy, or am I mistaken? Personally, I find it interesting BUT difficult to accept the author's opinion, primarily based on how many medical professionals and scientists utilize masks for hours, daily. But, that is only my opinion.

There doesn't need to be. That's now how science and research works. It's on the researcher to prove his hypothesis. If he injects false information into his study, then the entire study is flawed and not credible. That's the end of the study. No one needs to prove that his hypothesis is incorrect. He's already invalidated it with false data.

coffeebean 04-24-2021 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by newgirl (Post 1933309)
Hope not, my second shot made me sicker then a dog for 8 days!

WOW! You must have the immune system of a 16 year old. Good for you!


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