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patfla06 04-20-2020 12:56 AM

I have become disenchanted with Amazon lately.
Most disposable masks are from China.
They have had a lot of price gouging.

I ended up ordering some washable masks from
Etsy. They a large amount of people making masks.

Have been home for a month. Have Instacart/Publix delivering groceries which has worked out well.

Bowtorc 04-20-2020 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jet10s (Post 1749583)
you don't know what you are talking about -- we are not mandated to wear masks -- I will continue to keep my 6 foot perimeter and I won't put useless cotton on my face == hello = I worked in an OR for 30 years and I laugh everyday when I see these idiots wearing masks riding their bikes, in their golfcarts, even alone in the cars -- do you people really think that there is viral cloud with droplets of the virus ready to attack you -- ridiculous

A little harsh for a remark!!!

arlenandsusan 04-20-2020 05:09 AM

I don't wear a mask at all. No, it's not because I disregard others. It's because I fail to see the real need. The virus is spread by touching contaminated surfaces and then your eyes, mouth or nose. I am careful about that. Or it is spread by coughing on someone or very close, in your face contact. I believe that distancing beyond that is plenty. The whole mask thing seems like overkill to me. I realize that there are people who feel safer that way or more responsible, but I think it is their personal choice more than of any real need. I especially think people wearing masks in their cars or outside walking is totally unnecessary. To me it is my own common sense choice. I believe that realistic information is the best guideline. I realize there are lots of different opinions out there, but this is mine.

Maryland04 04-20-2020 05:13 AM

you have a door shut it and stay home

Blackbird45 04-20-2020 05:14 AM

Forget the toilet paper
 
My wife became depended on the use of a wheel chair 3 years ago.
I immediately went on a buying spree to buy anything that I figured would make life easier.
One of my purchases was the Cadillac of bidets. You can control heat of the seat & the water, also the water pressure with a pulsating mode, where you want it to concentrate the spray, it even has a dryer (it does everything short of singing you a lullaby).
In the 3 years I never really tried it.
Since the virus, what I discovered:
1. I’ve been missing out on a comfortable experience.
2. It does do a better job.
3. I’ve cut back on my use of toilet paper by 80%, if not more.
What I realized is if I had been using it instead of only using toilet paper all this time, it probably would have paid for itself.
I know there a number of these unit on the market at all different price ranges.
What I suggest if you have time on your hands, look into this alternative.
Only purchase what you believe will meet your needs.

At my last visit to my doctor’s office they supplied me a few masks to hold me until my order arrives.

golfing eagles 04-20-2020 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Maryland04 (Post 1749626)
you have a door shut it and stay home

And then in 6 weeks poke your head out of your burrow and check if you see your shadow......

dewilson58 04-20-2020 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by arlenandsusan (Post 1749623)
I don't wear a mask at all. No, it's not because I disregard others. It's because I fail to see the real need. The virus is spread by touching contaminated surfaces and then your eyes, mouth or nose. I am careful about that. Or it is spread by coughing on someone or very close, in your face contact. I believe that distancing beyond that is plenty. The whole mask thing seems like overkill to me. I realize that there are people who feel safer that way or more responsible, but I think it is their personal choice more than of any real need. I especially think people wearing masks in their cars or outside walking is totally unnecessary. To me it is my own common sense choice. I believe that realistic information is the best guideline. I realize there are lots of different opinions out there, but this is mine.


Others have made a decision to be extremely cautious, do everything to minimize the spread, help out healthcare network and help others. Unfortunately, you have not. Hope you are not a Villager. Nice first post under this name.

davem4616 04-20-2020 05:57 AM

my wife and I wear a neckerchief covering our nose/mouth when we are going to be inside/within 6 feet of others (drug store, Publix)
….other than that we're still waiting for a shipment of 10 masks to arrive from Amazon

Nucky 04-20-2020 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1749589)
Their return policies are pretty clear. If it isn't sold by AND shipped by Amazon, then it's considered a 3rd party sale and returns are at the discretion of the seller, not Amazon. If the seller doesn't accept returns, then there's no returns.

Amazon, in this case, is the middle-man. They take your money on behalf of the seller. They collect a fee from the sale because it was sold through their company, but they aren't the ones selling the product.

Just like buying a third-party product from walmart.com. If they aren't the actual seller, they're not responsible for refunding you if it's not a good sale. The seller is responsible for it - and only if they offer refunds and returns in their policy.

If the picture and description of the item you were purchasing was a Bowling Ball and you were supposed to get 4 Bowling Balls and you happily opened your envelope and found they shipped you one 8 1/2 X 11 piece of paper do you think that that may change your outlook? Deception at it's best and I will not stand for it.

In the past we have had several items that were previously owned and certainly not packaged properly or without the owners manual or scratched and they were all third party sellers. Amazon stood behind each one of those purchase and refunded the money immediately. They also supplied a prepaid U.P.S. return sheet that I print and put a Barcode inside the box and the Mailing Label on the box and drop it off and before I get home the refund is done.

retiredguy123 04-20-2020 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1749587)
Well I wish it was that way as I am accustomed to exactly what you typed. In this case the label that you print out has the return address and I get to pay the postage and they claim that the contents have been switched as I found out after I got Jacked Up. Trust me it's a total set up.

This is what Amazon classifies as a third party seller. B.S. I do business and pay my bill to Amazon and they will return the chump change #39.95 if its the last thing I do!

I have come to find out that this is a common practice with this company. They have hammered plenty of others before me. The picture and description of the item is perfect for N95 masks. Not a piece of paper with two elastic bands on them.

I have made Amazon purchases from third party sellers, but Amazon has always accepted the credit card on my Amazon account for payment. I have not returned any third party purchases, but, if I did not receive what I ordered, I would dispute the credit card charge with my bank (within 60 days). You should not even need to return the item. I cannot find anything on the Amazon website that would alter the Federal credit card protection rules, even for third party seller purchases. Good luck.

La lamy 04-20-2020 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1749316)
That's nice. But you don't need to wear a mask all the time. Just when you can't reasonably guarantee 6 foot separation. So, grocery stores, post office, inside gas station, yes. Walking alone outside or riding in your cart or a bicycle, no. I saw a guy inside his car with the windows up driving alone with a mask---give me a break.

I originally felt that way when I saw someone with a mask inside their car, but then I figured I didn't know the whole story. He may have just picked up his car from the garage and didn't fully trust the disinfection process?...

golfing eagles 04-20-2020 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by La lamy (Post 1749704)
I originally felt that way when I saw someone with a mask inside their car, but then I figured I didn't know the whole story. He may have just picked up his car from the garage and didn't fully trust the disinfection process?...

True, but unless it's an N-95 mask, he is not protecting himself much at all

NotGolfer 04-20-2020 06:52 AM

I know of several people who are making masks. The Gilded Matilda in Wildwood (you have to call though as they're closed) is selling them. Google for the phone #. Last evening I googled face masks and came up with several sites where they may be purchased. As for the OP who used Amazon...I always check out the seller on sites as well as comments of other purchasers. IF the "addresse/name" seems funky in some way---I'd never order. I did see some that interested me and once I clicked on---delivery was until late May and some in late June. Now why would one try to order those when we need them now?? There are tutorials on Youtube where you can even make some that aren't sewed. Saw a fun one on Facebook just cutting a sock.

On another note...we recently ordered an item from Amazon with tracking. Got the notification that our item had been delivered. It never was and it didn't show up from a neighbor being mis-delivered. So we contacted the seller (3rd party) to tell them we'd not gotten our item. We were refunded our money! NOT sure if it was related or not (maybe was, maybe wasn't) but my CC was compromised around this time. Contacted the CC company and got a new card. So be careful when, even ordering from Amazon. I do a lot of online shopping but this was a first.

Travelhunter 04-20-2020 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1749316)
That's nice. But you don't need to wear a mask all the time. Just when you can't reasonably guarantee 6 foot separation. So, grocery stores, post office, inside gas station, yes. Walking alone outside or riding in your cart or a bicycle, no. I saw a guy inside his car with the windows up driving alone with a mask---give me a break.

Where a mask outside
Others may not be respectful of social distancing and will come to close for comfort

Nucky 04-20-2020 07:03 AM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1749672)
I have made Amazon purchases from third party sellers, but Amazon has always accepted the credit card on my Amazon account for payment. I have not returned any third party purchases, but, if I did not receive what I ordered, I would dispute the credit card charge with my bank (within 60 days). You should not even need to return the item. I cannot find anything on the Amazon website that would alter the Federal credit card protection rules, even for third party seller purchases. Good luck.

EXACTLY! Our orders are charged directly to the Amazon Credit Card attached to our account. I'm not shipping this back, not a chance. I'll get the credit thru the Credit Card Company. In the end I will prevail. Amazon should be ashamed of themselves. They have slipped in resent years. I prefer to use local merchants but under the circumstances and because of the item I ordered they were the best option. And all to do a favor. Go figure.

kendi 04-20-2020 07:09 AM

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Originally Posted by sdeikenberry (Post 1749066)
Wearing any type of mask when outside or inside and around people is as much for the protection of others as much as for the person wearing it. Unless people wear a mask that filters out 0.125 micron size particles, it won't completely protect anyone from inhaling or exhaling COVID19. However, any mask certainly helps diminish the spread. So my question to all of you who choose to not wear a mask when around others is why? I do not mean this to be sarcastic, I'm looking for honest information.

Mask will not protect the person wearing it since the virus will enter the eyes as well. You would need to add goggles or some other type of eye protection.

Daxdog 04-20-2020 07:14 AM

N95
 
If you have an opened N 95 mask you should be ashamed, you should take to your, or the nearest Doctor and donate it!

golfing eagles 04-20-2020 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Travelhunter (Post 1749725)
Where a mask outside
Others may not be respectful of social distancing and will come to close for comfort

And you're not capable of staying 6 feet away, OUTSIDE?????? Wearing a mask in your cart????Wearing a mask when driving alone in your car???? Get real people. This is serious, but not the end of the world.

142,735 people have died from this worldwide since the first case Nov 17. 153,400 people die worldwide EVERY DAY from other causes, or 23,777,000 since Nov 17.
Again, NOT THE END OF THE WORLD

PS that's wear, not where

Fisherman 04-20-2020 07:24 AM

Exact same thing happened to me. The mask was smashed and when I put the manufacturers numbers in to the Internet, it was nothing more than a contractors dusk mask although advertised on Amazon as a true N95 that protected against viruses and influenza. Amazon not taking phone calls. Will keep, better than nothing, but sure makes buyers be ware.

Singerlady 04-20-2020 07:59 AM

Google how to make a mask without sewing. Many easy ideas. No excuse NOT to have a mask!

Nucky 04-20-2020 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Daxdog (Post 1749746)
If you have an opened N 95 mask you should be ashamed, you should take to your, or the nearest Doctor and donate it!

How about if you give the N95's to someone who has no computer and may feel better having one?

Who are you to judge anybody?

kbogli 04-20-2020 08:08 AM

My husband and I also wear glasses, I read an article about this and it said put a kleenex/tissue under the mask over the bridge of your nose that will collect the moisture. Guess what it worked!

jedalton 04-20-2020 08:21 AM

same here
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1749260)
Whenever I have ordered anything from Amazon, I can log on, click "my orders" and then click "return item". Then, I can print out a shipping label. Sometimes, I even get a credit on my account before I even return the item. I didn't know that you can't do that with all Amazon orders. Also, if you paid with a credit card, you can dispute the charge with your bank, since you didn't get what you ordered.

excellent on returns, instant from Amazon

ttjaa5@comcast.net 04-20-2020 09:00 AM

I am claustrophobic and would love a solution. Haven't been in a store for over a month. Hubby does it all. I walk in our neighborhood and talk to neighbors through the lanai.

Mumbles 04-20-2020 09:23 AM

Exactly
 
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Originally Posted by zonerboy (Post 1749121)
Maybe because you cannot find such masks in any local store. Tired of chasing around looking for toilet paper, hand sanitizer, sanitizing wipes, gloves, masks,etc. You can order online at inflated prices, but delivery dates are delayed or uncertain.

Two weeks ago, I ordered masks AND face shields from China (of course we don't make them in the US). My order, IF ACCEPTED AND NOT RESOLD TO THE GOVERNMENT, should come in around May 21. I have a sneaking suspicion that they will be quite useful by then for anyone wanting to leave the house for food shopping.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-20-2020 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arlenandsusan (Post 1749623)
I don't wear a mask at all. No, it's not because I disregard others. It's because I fail to see the real need. The virus is spread by touching contaminated surfaces and then your eyes, mouth or nose. I am careful about that. Or it is spread by coughing on someone or very close, in your face contact. I believe that distancing beyond that is plenty. The whole mask thing seems like overkill to me. I realize that there are people who feel safer that way or more responsible, but I think it is their personal choice more than of any real need. I especially think people wearing masks in their cars or outside walking is totally unnecessary. To me it is my own common sense choice. I believe that realistic information is the best guideline. I realize there are lots of different opinions out there, but this is mine.

The mask YOU wear protects everyone ELSE.

This virus can be in your system, and you might have no symptoms at all. YOU could, for all intents and purposes, be the next Typhoid Mary without having any knowledge of it. Wearing a mask will protect the community.

Not saying that you are required to wear one. You're not. But in the interests of the lives of the community - including all those out of work employees you might want to go back to work - you might reconsider wearing one.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-20-2020 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1749664)
If the picture and description of the item you were purchasing was a Bowling Ball and you were supposed to get 4 Bowling Balls and you happily opened your envelope and found they shipped you one 8 1/2 X 11 piece of paper do you think that that may change your outlook? Deception at it's best and I will not stand for it.

In the past we have had several items that were previously owned and certainly not packaged properly or without the owners manual or scratched and they were all third party sellers. Amazon stood behind each one of those purchase and refunded the money immediately. They also supplied a prepaid U.P.S. return sheet that I print and put a Barcode inside the box and the Mailing Label on the box and drop it off and before I get home the refund is done.

I totally agree that you shouldn't stand for it. But you still need to address it with the party responsible for the sale. Amazon is not merely a retailer. They are also a middle-man to third-party sales. You have to read the Amazon return policy. That is -your- responsibility, before each and every purchase. You also have to look and see if the purchase you are -about- to make, is "sold by and shipped by" Amazon. If it isn't, you have to review the seller's return policy.

USUALLY it's the same as Amazon's. But not always.

Here's the blurb from Amazon's return webpage:

Quote:

Seller Return Policy
When you order from a seller that fulfills and ships its own inventory (also called a third party seller), your return is sent back to the seller instead of Amazon.com. While most sellers offer a returns policy equivalent to Amazon.com's, some seller returns policies may vary. You can view the return policy of the seller before you purchase an item by viewing the Returns and Refunds Policy section of the seller profile page. To view the seller's return policy, once you've ordered, you can select your order in the Online Returns Center.

Third-party sellers must either provide a return address within the United States, provide a prepaid return label, or offer a full refund without requesting the item be returned. If a seller does not offer these methods to return your items, you may file an A-to-z Guarantee claim to seek help with your return.

If you are sending the item within the United States and the order is valued at $100 or more, insure the shipment for the value of the merchandise and ship your return with a signature shipping service. Items valued over $35 must be returned to the seller with a trackable shipping service. For items below $35, we suggest USPS delivery confirmation service. If a package doesn't arrive and you don't use a trackable method to return or if you refuse the shipment as a method of return, we may not be able to cover you under the A-to-z Guarantee.

Note: If the seller's listing is eligible for Amazon Prime, it will be subject to the same return policies as items fulfilled by Amazon.com that are outlined on this page.

eclairela 04-20-2020 09:44 AM

The reason they do not wear a mask is because they think it is a hoax. Not me

John_W 04-20-2020 09:44 AM

I saw this on Facebook, Villages Talk page. I don't know how many they have, only what you read.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...83&oe=5EC158CF

KN95 masks will be available on Tuesday at 10:00 AM. I will be passing them out at Spanish Springs Brylah Fashions next to Kilwins Chocolates. $8.00 each cash only. First come first serve. We will do another round Thursday if you cannot make it tuesday. Also we should have gloves for sale and possibly hand sanitizer. Share your post. If you email brylahfashions@gmail.com to have some shipped. These masks are reusable. Put in oven at 200 degrees for 2 hours or spray front with lysol if available. Keeping our community health
EDITED: PS WE HAVE DONATED MANY MASKS TO LOCAL FIRST RESPONDERS AND WILL CONTINUE EVERY SHIPMENT WE GET. HAVE AN ORDER ONLY FOR LOCAL FIRE RESCUE MONDAY! THIS IS NOT FOR A PROFIT THIS IS OUR SMALL BUSINESS DOING OUR PART TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY! THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

sipops 04-20-2020 09:44 AM

Zonerboy you are so right.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-20-2020 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1749946)
I saw this on Facebook, Villages Talk page. I don't know how many they have, only what you read.

https://scontent-mia3-1.xx.fbcdn.net...83&oe=5EC158CF

KN95 masks will be available on Tuesday at 10:00 AM. I will be passing them out at Spanish Springs Brylah Fashions next to Kilwins Chocolates. $8.00 each cash only. First come first serve. We will do another round Thursday if you cannot make it tuesday. Also we should have gloves for sale and possibly hand sanitizer. Share your post. If you email brylahfashions@gmail.com to have some shipped. These masks are reusable. Put in oven at 200 degrees for 2 hours or spray front with lysol if available. Keeping our community health
EDITED: PS WE HAVE DONATED MANY MASKS TO LOCAL FIRST RESPONDERS AND WILL CONTINUE EVERY SHIPMENT WE GET. HAVE AN ORDER ONLY FOR LOCAL FIRE RESCUE MONDAY! THIS IS NOT FOR A PROFIT THIS IS OUR SMALL BUSINESS DOING OUR PART TO HELP OUR COMMUNITY! THANK YOU IN ADVANCE

KN95 masks are made in China, and were recalled in several states due to shoddy and unsafe manufacturing. They're better than no mask, and marginally better than the masks your dental hygienist wears. When there's no virus going around, you can get them for around $8/pack of 10. Also if you put them in an oven at 200 degrees for 2 hours the glue on the layers will melt and the entire mask will fall apart.

They aren't really intended to be reuseable, though you could probably steam them for a few minutes without risking them falling apart.

Nucky 04-20-2020 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1749941)
I totally agree that you shouldn't stand for it. But you still need to address it with the party responsible for the sale. Amazon is not merely a retailer. They are also a middle-man to third-party sales. You have to read the Amazon return policy. That is -your- responsibility, before each and every purchase. You also have to look and see if the purchase you are -about- to make, is "sold by and shipped by" Amazon. If it isn't, you have to review the seller's return policy.

USUALLY it's the same as Amazon's. But not always.

Here's the blurb from Amazon's return webpage:

I didn't read the policy. Here is My Policy. The only one that counts. I order thru Amazon. I pay Amazon. Amazon will be and has been responsible for foul up bleeps and blunders similar to this in the past. Case Closed! They will make it right.

I mentioned this situation. I don't really recall asking for an assist. If someone wanted to relate their experience I think that would be fine. Thats what the Forum is here for. I'll be fine. I will not deal with the company who didn't even give me a kiss first! :)

I'm not going any further defending my position on this simple matter. :boxing2: :)

Mumbles 04-20-2020 11:48 AM

CPAPers
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 1749958)
KN95 masks are made in China, and were recalled in several states due to shoddy and unsafe manufacturing. They're better than no mask, and marginally better than the masks your dental hygienist wears. When there's no virus going around, you can get them for around $8/pack of 10. Also if you put them in an oven at 200 degrees for 2 hours the glue on the layers will melt and the entire mask will fall apart.

They aren't really intended to be reuseable, though you could probably steam them for a few minutes without risking them falling apart.

I wonder... you could probably put that mask in a cpap cleaner like Lumina or So Clean and have o3 clean the mask, no heat, no moisture. Don't know.

sallybowron 04-20-2020 11:52 AM

I agree! You have the right to risk infection but not to pass it on to all of us. Your refusal to wear PPEs is dangerous to all of s, and we have a right to complain.

golfing eagles 04-20-2020 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mumbles (Post 1750001)
I wonder... you could probably put that mask in a cpap cleaner like Lumina or So Clean and have o3 clean the mask, no heat, no moisture. Don't know.

Great question: Does ozone kill coronavirus? IDK either

golfing eagles 04-20-2020 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1750004)
Great question: Does ozone kill coronavirus? IDK either

Ozone gas has been proven to kill the SARS coronavirus and since the structure of the new 2019-nCoV coronavirus is almost identical to that of the SARS coronavirus, it is relatively safe to say that it will also work on the new coronavirus though it must be noted that there are no studies to date except one that is currently ongoing n China at the Institute of Virology In Hubei with regards to this. Progress of that study has shown that it works and the study should be concluded by the end of this week and officially published in the journal Virology.
There are more than 17 scientific studies that show Ozone gas is able to destroy the SARS coronavirus.

Rosebud1949 04-20-2020 12:30 PM

All folk outside THEIR HOMES, in Supermarkets, driving golf carts, in hardware shops, postal stations etc should wear masks. Its protection for us AND them. Those of us who are right by the Golf Courses have dozens of unmasked CART DRIVERS WHIZZING PAST OUR YARDS EVERY DAY... SPREADING A HIDDEN VIRUS. You cannot say because you dont have the virus or tested negative last week that you are not carrying it this week. Stop being so SELFISH. If you dont have a mask then make one.... you dont have to sew, just a scarf or similar and 2 elastic bands...... go to you tube and watch the demo.. so simple

MandoMan 04-20-2020 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1749250)
If you have a tee shirt or a scarf you have a mask!!

Or a turtleneck shirt or sweater. Or a dish towel and a clothespin or safety pin. Or a burqa. Or a scarf. Or a washcloth and some string and a needle and thread. Making a basic mask is exceedingly easy and can be done with fabric you have on hand, such as that Christmas sweater someone gave you. Or an old mattress cover. Or the fronts of three pairs of his old underwear, sewn together for multiple lawyers. Or a bra cup. There are so many options! Be creative.

JoMar 04-20-2020 01:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rosebud1949 (Post 1750033)
All folk outside THEIR HOMES, in Supermarkets, driving golf carts, in hardware shops, postal stations etc should wear masks. Its protection for us AND them. Those of us who are right by the Golf Courses have dozens of unmasked CART DRIVERS WHIZZING PAST OUR YARDS EVERY DAY... SPREADING A HIDDEN VIRUS. You cannot say because you dont have the virus or tested negative last week that you are not carrying it this week. Stop being so SELFISH. If you dont have a mask then make one.... you dont have to sew, just a scarf or similar and 2 elastic bands...... go to you tube and watch the demo.. so simple

But unless your standing by the path you are way more than the 6' recommendation, probably more like 20' if you are on your Lanai. I doubt that those wizzing past are facing you and sneezing or coughing as they go by. So far, what I have read, the home made masks offer little protection unless there is a filter that blocks the micron size of the droplets that may carry the virus. It may help but is not a great protection. It is suggested as something because the masks that will protect you need to go to the medical staff and first responders....as they should. Try not to be too paranoid.

davidlisle 04-20-2020 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daxdog (Post 1749746)
If you have an opened N 95 mask you should be ashamed, you should take to your, or the nearest Doctor and donate it!

Not all N95 masks are suitable for medical settings. I have one that says just that.


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