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Northwoods 03-27-2020 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1734580)
True, but they were in the same situation before this epidemic. The money should be used for those whose situations changed DUE TO the epidemic.

I totally agree.

Domenick 03-27-2020 10:09 PM

You will be giving it back and more in taxes to pay for all this.

thomp679 03-27-2020 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DianeM (Post 1734861)
So... I was thinking. If you do receive a stimulus check of $1200 or any amount really, if you are comfortable without it, how about investing it in a stock that you like.

How can you take a socialistic payment and keep it for yourself. Corporations are not the ones that need a bailout. It is the small business owner and their workers that need the assistance. Try thinking of someone other than how to benefit yourself in these tough times.

BTW, according to the U.S. Small Business Administration, a common misconception about the U.S. economy is that is dominated by huge corporations. Small business makes up roughly 99 percent of all independent enterprises in the country. Small business are defined as those that employ fewer than 500 people. This means small businesses technically dominate the markets in the United States, accounting for 52 percent of all workers.

Find ways to help the true backbone of this country.

OrangeBlossomBaby 03-27-2020 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by thomp679 (Post 1734874)
How can you take a socialistic payment and keep it for yourself. Corporations are not the ones that need a bailout. It is the small business owner and their workers that need the assistance. Try thinking of someone other than how to benefit yourself in these tough times.

BTW, according to the U.S. Small Business Administration, a common misconception about the U.S. economy is that is dominated by huge corporations. Small business makes up roughly 99 percent of all independent enterprises in the country. Small business are defined as those that employ fewer than 500 people. This means small businesses technically dominate the markets in the United States, accounting for 52 percent of all workers.

Find ways to help the true backbone of this country.

Exactly. The point of a STIMULUS check is to SPEND the money. Not save it, not keep it, not invest it. The point of stimulus funds is to re-circulate the economy. Get the money flowing, not just sitting in one spot or building up in investments and stocks.

If you want to support your local bike shop, then BUY that bike. That is what this money is for.

If you want to enjoy take-out every day for the next month, PERFECT. That is exactly what this money is for.

If you want to pay a phone bill so that you can afford to indulge in some new clothes purchased from your local boutique (delivered, of course, since the store is closed) then go for it. That's what the money is for.

So you can support these shops that you love so much, and keep them in business by BUYING from them.

patfla06 03-28-2020 12:13 AM

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patfla06 03-28-2020 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by GoodLife (Post 1734832)
Calculator for coronavirus check

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graph...ck-calculator/

Its pretty simple, based on your 2019 (or 2018) tax return and adjusted gross income

Easy to figure out if you're going to be handing out benjamins at Publix soon :1rotfl:


I went to the website you provided.

It said a married couple making less than $150K
will be eligible for the checks of $2,400.

That seems ridiculous to me. :ohdear:

sandybill2 03-28-2020 01:04 AM

We have Family members and a young Friend (Orlando Restaurant Manager) who have already been affected financially by this Pandemic. We have already helped them some and will continue to do so as needed. That is where our checks will go.

Skunky1 03-28-2020 05:15 AM

The check is to be spent so as to stimulate the economy. Unfortunately some of us are not fortunate enough to receive a higher pay back from Social Security like my brother worked hard all his life and he only got 625 a month! suck it up buttercup

Bay Kid 03-28-2020 05:30 AM

Why do non citizens get money?

MarkGoldberg 03-28-2020 05:35 AM

I couldn’t agree with you more. Those who have not lost income should be happy and not use the government’s money. Of course, there are a lot of other things government officials provide themselves resulting in more money which they should not do either.

Heyitsrick 03-28-2020 05:40 AM

There are no "rules" for how to spend these checks. It's your money. Do with it as you please. You don't think you deserve it? It's a great opportunity for donating to charities. Give it away to loved ones. You can send the money to the Treasury Department's Bureau of the Public Debt. I'm not getting the guilt here. No one says you need to keep it.

That said, there are many small businesses around the area that could easily benefit from people spending this money there. That's helping the local economy. That's helping local employees.

By the way, there are many places in this country where $150K in income (couples) is far from being wealthy. Try living around the NY metro area on that income. Don't even ask about the San Francisco area. If you're single and making up to $75K in NYC, good luck with your living arrangements.

Byte1 03-28-2020 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1734813)
I am just hoping that those on the lower end of the income scale...are the ones getting money.

The amount of annual income, should also include those drawing yearly from investment income.

In other words, as far as I'm concerned, ALL money flowing into a household, regardless of the source...should be used in calculating who is eligible to receive money from this bill.

As far as I'm concerned, I've come to the conclusion that the vast majority of it should go toward those who need it the most and whose entire current household income...should not exceed $60K single and $100K total.

What I'm afraid of however, is that those making that amount of money right now may end up losing their jobs permanently and then all bets against us slipping into an actual DEPRESSION...are off. :ohdear:

One thing is for sure though, the biggest beneficiaries of the last 'Great Tax Cut' have the least to worry about...and shouldn't get a damned dime this time around.

While I shouldn't qualify for anything on this new relief bill, if there is a screw up and "they" end up sending me any amount of money...it won't be with me for long.

If you read/hear about someone wandering around grocery stores, handing out Benjamin's (with gloved hands of course) to those appearing to need it the most (and yes, I realize that one can be fooled by appearances)...I say in advance that I don't know anything about it.

According to several news outlets, there IS a limit to how much a family can make and receive the money. You said $100K but I believe the limit is $75K, but I may be mistaken. Part of the idea of giving folks money is to put the money back into the economy so that we don't fall into a depression. I don't know if it will work, but they think it will and some experts feel that it is worth the try. Some folks will get the money that others do not believe deserve it. What's so different from welfare recipients getting money that some feel do not deserve it? Some Villagers are on a limited income and to pay extra to shop all over three counties looking for TP or some other item NEEDED or to order delivery or shop on line for items, is an added expense. Just saying.
I am not arguing your opinion, just stating my view on the subject which is not a whole lot different than yours; just looking at it from a different angle.

Chatbrat 03-28-2020 05:49 AM

If you were living on your income without the $1200.00 you don't need it--it will be in the form of a direct deposit if you are on SS--
Too bad there isn't a method to block the payment--I'm not being selfish, because we are above the income guidelines

Mikee1 03-28-2020 06:26 AM

Ponder
 
Any government in this Country has no money. They can only redistribute hat they have taken from others (you). Wait till you get the bill with interest, new tax rates.

Annie66 03-28-2020 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Tom53 (Post 1734502)
The check will be based on your income, a good number of people here will receive nothing, as it should be. Last I read, the income would be based on your 2018 returns, don't know it that changed.

If you filed already for 2019, then the amount of your check is based on 2019. If you have not filed as yet, it will be based on 2018 returns.

Singerlady 03-28-2020 06:35 AM

I plan on giving it back in tips to those who were affected financially by this situation.

PJackpot 03-28-2020 06:39 AM

If they can give $25 million dollars to the Kennedy Center, they can give $1,200 to me.

Jackiemc 03-28-2020 06:39 AM

Me too

Elmartin3 03-28-2020 06:42 AM

many seniors work to make a living wage. Not easy to figure out who so all who pays taxes deserve the benefit

ladybugsmom 03-28-2020 06:46 AM

You are so right! That is why we are giving hours to some local charities.

mydavid 03-28-2020 06:52 AM

Then I suggest that if you get a check, you could give the money to someone or some place, like a dog shelter. Not all seniors on SS live in a place like the Villages, many of them could this money.

Cheapbas 03-28-2020 06:53 AM

provide as much as $1,200 per person and $2,400 per couple in the U.S. amid the coronavirus outbreak and skyrocketing jobless claims...... and aid would be phased down at adjusted gross income thresholds of $75,000 for individuals and $150,000 per couple

MandoMan 03-28-2020 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Regor (Post 1734495)
What a dumb idea! Pay all us retires $1200 for what? I'm not being affected financially at all by the virus pandemic. I will still get my SS check each month along with a pension check.
That money should be going to people that have been put out of work and are in need!

I agree with you! (And my first Social Security check is supposed to be deposited in my bank account today!) You know what would be fun? Go to an ATM (several times), get a stack of twenties, and pass them out to people who work in restaurants, stores, etc. Walk around your favorite stores giving one to each employee you spot and saying “Thank you for your service.” We may not need that money, but some people sure do!

DeanFL 03-28-2020 07:02 AM

When I first heard about the Feds plan for the $1200, my first thought was WHY? We really don't need it - and other retirees with mucho$$$ (than us) in savings, retirement, income certainly don't either. Give more to the families with limited (or no) income now.

The Bill does exclude higher-income folks, which is a good thing.

As fate would have it... I've had a crowned tooth that has had 'discomfort' for about 5 months now. Being a guy, well - you know. Finally it got worse. Went to my dentist and referred me for a root canal. App for the procedure next Tuesday.

Guess how much the charge is (after a small insur discount) $1200. Fate.

Quixote 03-28-2020 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by thomp679 (Post 1734874)
How can you take a socialistic payment and keep it for yourself. Corporations are not the ones that need a bailout. It is the small business owner and their workers that need the assistance. Try thinking of someone other than how to benefit yourself in these tough times.

BTW, according to the U.S. Small Business Administration, a common misconception about the U.S. economy is that is dominated by huge corporations. Small business makes up roughly 99 percent of all independent enterprises in the country. Small business are defined as those that employ fewer than 500 people. This means small businesses technically dominate the markets in the United States, accounting for 52 percent of all workers.

Find ways to help the true backbone of this country.

I’ve never heard the expression “socialistic payment.” The way I was brought up and choose to live my life, the word “socialistic” implies a recognition that we are part of a “society” rather than “I’m only for myself, and if you’re in trouble through no fault of your own, that’s your problem.” Perhaps I’m missing something?

I do agree that major corporations should not get a bailout. Last year they received a virtually unprecedented huge tax cut. Working people paid—or given the effect of the tax cut on the astronomical federal deficit will continue to pay—for that primarily corporate tax cut. What’s the bottom line difference between a bailout and a tax cut?

I agree too that those who receive a “stimulus payment” (this I understand, not “socialistic payment”) who doesn’t need it should donate it locally, not to a major corporate (so-called) charity. IMHO, the local food pantry is a great idea. When I can manage it, I write a rent check to a local worker I know who has to take time off from work to take a child for cancer treatments, and because her employer has to hire a sub to fill in for her, she is not paid. If I receive a check, that’s where mine will go.

And I’m once again reminded of an economy based on what President Bush Senior described as “voodoo economics”....

Bogie Shooter 03-28-2020 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1734807)
They are on very limited income anything puts them in bind. Evidently Only the poor Would understand?

You still didn't say how they were affected financially>

DianeM 03-28-2020 07:14 AM

Chill people. It was just a thought.

Michael R 03-28-2020 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Regor (Post 1734495)
What a dumb idea! Pay all us retires $1200 for what? I'm not being affected financially at all by the virus pandemic. I will still get my SS check each month along with a pension check.
That money should be going to people that have been put out of work and are in need!

Then do what we are going to do ...give it to a cause..we are buying defibs.. for our n..hood

Nanny32162 03-28-2020 07:20 AM

I have wondered the same thing, people who rely on tips for a large portion of their income need this more than. I do. I am looking for a charitable foundation, which provides needed funds to the most needy. I will donate my check to that organization. Yes, I will make sure that it is nit a scam organization.

skip0358 03-28-2020 07:31 AM

I want to see when all is said and done and everything is open again. When you go out to eat, have a cocktail, get you hair done or a haircut remember these people have been out of work. When the bill comes remember this when you drop your tip on the table or write it on your tab. When I see people leave silver or a buck on the bar after pounding them down remember they've had nothing. OK you can beat me up now! Also remember there are plenty here in TV living on SSI and small if any pensions. That's another reason we have so many different models of homes. Not everyone is making 6 figures on retirement believe me!

Two Bills 03-28-2020 07:32 AM

Really can't see what all the fuss is about.
If you have too much, you wont get it.
If you get it and do not want it, give it to someone who needs it.
But' if you're a low incomer, out of work, it could be a life saver.
I personally think that only laid off workers should be getting payment, and monthly, not one off.

jonathanb 03-28-2020 07:36 AM

Based on 2019 if you filed. 2018 if you haven’t filed 2019.

hotdog 03-28-2020 07:36 AM

Stimulus Check
 
Its for everyone with a social security number. The reason is to get the economic engine running smooth again not just to help out people that have become unemployed.

robinsdw2 03-28-2020 07:42 AM

Couldn’t agree more. My income is not affected. I’ve been wondering about this and writing our congressman as to why. As usual no response.

capecodbob 03-28-2020 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Regor (Post 1734495)
What a dumb idea! Pay all us retires $1200 for what? I'm not being affected financially at all by the virus pandemic. I will still get my SS check each month along with a pension check.
That money should be going to people that have been put out of work and are in need!

Easy Peasy...send the checks back.

Samfl 03-28-2020 07:51 AM

You don’t know every retiree’s financial situation. I don’t know too many retiree’s that couldn’t use some extra money especially in these uncertain times. Glad To hear you’re so well off.

msilagy 03-28-2020 07:55 AM

It's a case of damned if you don't and damned if you do!!! Give it to a needy family so you know where it's going! Geez

Bob45 03-28-2020 07:56 AM

Tips
 
I plan on increasing my tips to 50% or maybe 100% when things open up.

paulajr 03-28-2020 07:57 AM

Seriously?
 
Maybe YOU don’t need it...but many of us need it to pay our bills. Not all Villagers are floating in dough!! My husband got laid off and the $ will help.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Regor (Post 1734495)
What a dumb idea! Pay all us retires $1200 for what? I'm not being affected financially at all by the virus pandemic. I will still get my SS check each month along with a pension check.
That money should be going to people that have been put out of work and are in need!


USMCVNG 03-28-2020 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Regor (Post 1734495)
What a dumb idea! Pay all us retires $1200 for what? I'm not being affected financially at all by the virus pandemic. I will still get my SS check each month along with a pension check.
That money should be going to people that have been put out of work and are in need!

It is a Stimulus for the Economy to support business' so the, ones that are open can stay open, and others will follow their lead. you may be retired but younger people need to work, and business is down. I don't like the fact that fat cats can by stock cheap, and air lines get support. Warren Buffet is one of the airline stock holders an he don't need the money. he should be like Disney who are paying their people without a check from us the tax payer.


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