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Kamaaina 05-30-2024 06:27 AM

So, have you never had a computer glitch? Never had a software issue? Never had that "blue screen of death" crash on your PC? Never had to reboot to clear an issue? Never lost internet connection? So, this will never happen with an autonomous vehicle? So, when will we see an autonomous car in the Indy 500?

RICH1 05-30-2024 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by frayedends (Post 2335688)
The most difficult hurdle is having automated cars having to deal with the erratic behavior of human drivers also on the road. At some point all cars will be automated and communicate so accidents will be very infrequent.

I’m hoping for an autonomous golf cart to bring me home from the square.

Driverless cars have less accidents than Drivers that live in the Villages!

Windguy 05-30-2024 06:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2335826)
Until, a part breaks that is crucial for operation (metal and electrical components never break…/s) and the program for the car can’t solve the problem.

People break, too. My mother had a heart attack when she was 90 and ran into someone. If you had watched the video, you would have seen that the statistics show that these cars have far fewer accidents than old fashioned cars. People are terrible drivers. You would also have seen that the majority of people think they are better than average drivers. That’s mathematically impossible.

Windguy 05-30-2024 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kamaaina (Post 2335849)
So, have you never had a computer glitch? Never had a software issue? Never had that "blue screen of death" crash on your PC? Never had to reboot to clear an issue? Never lost internet connection? So, this will never happen with an autonomous vehicle? So, when will we see an autonomous car in the Indy 500?

Have you never been distracted while driving? Never felt drowsy while driving? Those are driving failures. That happens way more often than computers failing.

Autonomous driving is coming in the fairly near future. Those who refuse to adapt will end up paying higher insurance rates because they are not as good as a computer.

Two Bills 05-30-2024 07:06 AM

The Luddites are thriving on TOTV

MidWestIA 05-30-2024 07:31 AM

hands free
 
My 2019 Rav4 Toyota radar cruise is somewhat driverless it handles speed and turns BUT is not as arrogant as Tesla to let you crawl in the backseat. Your hand off the wheel for a few minutes gets a warning buzz and turns it off

bmcgowan13 05-30-2024 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 2335626)
I thought I posted this video a few days ago, but I can't find it, so I'm trying again. It's done by a science educator (Derek Muller) who regularly posts fascinating videos on his Veratasium (element of truth) YouTube channel.

Windguy- Thanks for the enlightening and informative video.

Henry Ford ran into much the same criticism, phobia, and pearl-clutching mania when his mechanical vehicles first took to the roads a century ago. Decades ago my mother would not purchase a car with "cruise control" because she was convinced everyone would fall asleep behind the wheel.

Waymo and other autonomous vehicles will have to tackle a substantial education hurdle in the decade(s) ahead. Videos like this break down on a complex subject.

Get A Horse! America’s Skepticism Toward the First Automobiles | The Saturday Evening Post

lawgolfer 05-30-2024 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2335663)
I like the idea of fully-approved, driverless cars. Distracted driving, driving under the influence, bad habits, poor skills, and just poor decision making cause the roads to be rather dangerous. If those drivers were sitting back in their computer-driven cars it would make things safer for all of us.

Tesla's experience shows not all full-self driving systems are ready for prime time. I noted that the system in the video uses the LiDAR sensors that Tesla removed. I will trust a certified, fully-approved system to be safe.


Having lived, and driven, in both San Francisco and Boston, I trust neither man nor machine.

CoachKandSportsguy 05-30-2024 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2335866)
The Luddites are thriving on TOTV

:1rotfl::1rotfl:

Amazon.com

https://www.amazon.com/Persuaders-Fr.../dp/B09S26TC3R

I think that the first book is the one which the Luddites are fighting against. . . at least I am. . . you might be going along for the ride in the second one, not sure. .

I have not read them, but listened to an hour long interview with the author about the books he wrote. . its on my list

Normal 05-30-2024 08:29 AM

301 and Driverless
 
I recall a couple years back when 301 was reworked near Baldwin off of the 10 inner change, google maps showed I was driving through a swamp and no road was there. I’m thinking human interaction is much more dependable even with its faults.

Bill14564 05-30-2024 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2335910)
I recall a couple years back when 301 was reworked near Baldwin off of the 10 inner change, google maps showed I was driving through a swamp and no road was there. I’m thinking human interaction is much more dependable even with its faults.

Did your cruise control stop working because google maps didn't know about the new roads?
Did your lane control suddenly turn you towards where google maps said the roads were?
Did the car seem as confused/concerned about google maps as the human was?
Maybe the technology handled the situation better than the human did.

Humans have a hard time seeing behind them to know about a car overtaking in the lane they are about to merge into - rear-facing cameras and LiDAR sensors do not.
Humans have a hard time paying attention to three or more inputs at a time, especially in stressful situations - computers do not.
Humans tend to make quick decisions then hope for the best - computers make the best decisions quickly.

The biggest concern I would have with driverless technology is whether it could be programmed to handle the inevitable human idiots who would drive recklessly to try to cause it problems.

Robojo 05-30-2024 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 2335626)
I thought I posted this video a few days ago, but I can't find it, so I'm trying again. It's done by a science educator (Derek Muller) who regularly posts fascinating videos on his Veratasium (element of truth) YouTube channel. If the link doesn't work for you, search YouTube for "veratasium driverless cars".

https://youtu.be/yjztvddhZmI?si=UnRc_F_7rw0f2VHe

If I start seeing driverless cars I'm buying a bunch of traffic cones to put on the hood.

NO ONE ASKS US if we are ok sharing the road with a robot. And until we VOTE on this I'm disabling them. Its just a robot.

Joe C. 05-30-2024 09:05 AM

In the year 2525, if man is still alive, you may find driverless cars everywhere. However, for us driving enthusiasts, driving a vehicle is a passion. I love driving.....I'll drive anywhere, anyplace, anytime if I can. Where's the passion when sitting in a driverless car like a cigar store indian doing nothing. NO THANKS .....

Normal 05-30-2024 09:13 AM

No it didn’t
 
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2335920)
Did your cruise control stop working because google maps didn't know about the new roads?
Did your lane control suddenly turn you towards where google maps said the roads were?
Did the car seem as confused/concerned about google maps as the human was?
Maybe the technology handled the situation better than the human did.

Humans have a hard time seeing behind them to know about a car overtaking in the lane they are about to merge into - rear-facing cameras and LiDAR sensors do not.
Humans have a hard time paying attention to three or more inputs at a time, especially in stressful situations - computers do not.
Humans tend to make quick decisions then hope for the best - computers make the best decisions quickly.

The biggest concern I would have with driverless technology is whether it could be programmed to handle the inevitable human idiots who would drive recklessly to try to cause it problems.

If I had to rely on technology, the road never existed, the car would have just sat there I guess. The Starke road was closed. Fortunately I read the detour signs, I didn’t have technology read all the deviations, I handled the situation quite well without it.

Which brings to question, “Just how reliable can an automated car be in all situations?” If a road suddenly floods out during a hurricane, I’d rather be in control. I would hate to have been on a Francis Scott Key Baltimore bridge and my car kept driving because of a hazardous situation hadn’t been updated yet.

PugMom 05-30-2024 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2335650)
Why You Should Want Driverless Cars On Roads Now?

Because you want more accidents with higher insurance premiums, and the ability of your car to kill you. Not to mention what a hacker could do to that idea.

you took the words out of my mouth. when i hear or see about these vehicles being in accident after accident, it's frightening. also: the inability for it to judge certain situations, and yes, the hacking is of great concern. i would purposely avoid being in or around 1 for fear of unexpected reactions by that vehicle


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