Trying to get some from Rockface...be sure to pull your teeth out!

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Still silent on any criticism if the Nazi movement, which differs from others, nor comments on how those Nazi movements are now being slyly endorsed.

Just saying.

Well, Carl just did it again...as you predicted. :D

He keeps chumming with red herrings...hoping no one notices what a bigot/racist he is.

I'm not sure who he is hoping takes the fake bait...but count me as one who's not hungry.

Well Carl - if the (unt can't out word you, your just a racist...

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The herring is coming out of c unts poopy pants.

Carl, you can't even try to reason with these ********.

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You should try removing your head from your proctologist's favorite location. I agree with Carl's posts. Rockface has an issue, and apparently you do also.


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Looks like you are the racist. Carl is about as straight as they come and I thank him for his service. On the other hand I have no difficulty calling you what you are.


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:1rotfl:

I thought Dirtbag and his constant attacks on me...made him your buddy? :oops:

Or did the eclipse today just mix up your ability to identify user names? :D

Amazing...trolling while the President speaks.

These two never have anything to offer and having them trolling instead of listening to the President, I suppose is not surprising

Do you know how to tell who's posting? Doesn't make any difference actually.

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Pay Attention
 

Well, either you are baiting me in an attempt to get me angry, which won't work..............or you are an imbecile.

Try to avoid the mental illness of Carl Derangement Syndrome that has enveloped your ally.

Here it is. Read it carefully. Try to comprehend.

I completely abhor Nazis, neo-Nazis, skinheads, and White Supremacists of every sort including the Ku Klux Klan.

I was engaged in active opposition to these people during a long federal law enforcement career. I personally interviewed and confronted them and submitted my analysis of their participation in their hate groups to our Headquarters where the reports were permanently filed and utilized in future threat assessments regarding the security of the President.

How many neo-Nazis have you looked directly in the eye from a distance of three feet and threatened to arrest? I've been there.

I also oppose Black Racists, such as those who participate in Black Lives Matter; the Antifa, which is an anarchist Communist movement; and anyone who participates in looting, burning, and rioting, and anyone who assaults law enforcement officers.

BUT, regardless of my personal feeling towards members of these groups, I insist that they have the right to speak and be heard.

Any person of even average intelligence and with some degree of reading comprehension ability should be able to understand the foregoing statements. Let's see how it goes.


Carl in Tampa
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I stopped reading once you condemned the Nazi.

I don't care about your experience...you don't care about mine.

You obviously think me an imbecile for wanting to hear your condemnation.

You feel very good about yourself..I have no syndrome. You simply skip the hard parts when you respond.

NOBODY, DESPITE YOUR SAYING IT WAS SO EVER DENIED THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH....YET YOU KEPT HARPING AS IF WE DID.

you posting only about one group and finally you condemn the nazis. Please do not accuse me or anyone if ever sayin or even insinuating any one on here supports the groups you condemn as did others. Difference was you seemed to not conpndemn or even realize the seed of Boston.

I will take my imbecile mind and leave you with those who are attacking me and Coldnomore with zero evidence...just smart ass comments.

Have a nice night.

Oh, and no, I never looked at anyone in the eye as you did. Obviously you want another thank you for your service,....so thanks. You could care less to ask anyone their background, and I, for one won't share. I HAVE and was simply gouged with obscene remarks...called a liar, etc. so I will stick with the issues, and ignore your experien if you don't mind

Dialogue
 

Chi-Town, forgive the lengthy reply. I will try to do better.

Carl in Tampa

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Carl - yellow font is very hard to see with my old eyes, maybe blue would make more of an impact (sorry red is used by rockface all to often, and the (unt uses orange all the time - of course with a furry of emojis).

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The sheer embarrassment of voting Dopey Smurf for president would make it hard for anyone to look someone else in the eye.

You did lie, and therefore you were called a liar...apoligize to Rubi for lying to him and maybe everyone will no longer consider you a liar...

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Carl,

Thank you for setting the example for logical, reasonable, respectful, and humble dialogue. Yes, humble. Where others have called you out otherwise, I see humility. Sometimes it depends on the eyes though which one views as to what one sees - I'm sure you get the point.

The tone that you have set for your posts is the tone we should all aspire to in responding to one another.

Again, thank you.

Yellow is hard to read with young eyes too. The red and orange are not worth reading though.

C unt should use poopy brown as his color. Rockhead is so old and senile that it's sad.

Well, all your supporters are out in strength this morning.

They praise you lavishly for what I am not sure, but they do, so congratulate on your reputation and all the rejections of me, sans any reason or justification, is noted.

It was nice to see you finally condemn the nazis, you read so much into my posts, make your "thoughts" facts and then attack me....so far, I am an imbecile and a few other choice names.

But fine....always interesting to see how, as ABBY pointed out, different people read things.

On this forum, any even perceived difference on Trump is met with vile and stupid language....no facts, but I am expected to rise to some level set by people who shun facts.

I understand how it works. Not used to anything but intelligent conversation, but hard to converse with folks who have an aversion to truth and facts.

And sharing my background will only give more ammunition to the trolls on here and you would find it boring anyway. It does not seem relevant because it is a forum for discussion of issues, not personalities but alas........I was even criticized for pointing out a poster who chronically plagarizes...not a mistake, but many times. Sort of sets the tone here....if you support Trump, you may do anything or say anything and win approval. If, as I do, support some of his "proposed" policies but strongly object to his morals and his chronic lying, then I am the bad guy for questioning that, and the trolls even ignore my statement of support at time. Just make me wonder what drives this forum......facts and discussion thereof or writings on the bathroom wall. Not seeking approval from anyone (in any way), but simply wonder about the purpose and direction of this forum and of course our country. Seems this is now a "cultural" board steeped in nothing but all the things you guys preach against....identity politics, race, nationality. I thought it was to discuss things like health care, world issues, internal politics, but it is far from that.

Hummm.
 

Really? I had selected yellow because I thought it was a good contrast to the green background. I find red and blue against the green background difficult to read. And of course ColdNoMore has appropriated baby-poop orange, so I avoid that.

I will experiment with other colors, or try making the yellow a bold font.

Olive Branch
 

Well, sadly I observe that the Olive Branch that I extended has been rejected due to Carl Derangement Syndrome.

Faced with another lengthy, rambling post, I will comment on only one remark. Rockyrd says, "...you read so much into my posts, make your "thoughts" facts and then attack me..."

Now, the fact is that this is exactly what Rockyrd has been doing. He ignores the plain language of my posts, and interprets them with a "twist" to make them mean something other than my plain language.

In the area of mental health there is a defense mechanism known as Projection. One variety of projection is known as Neurotic Projection. In this type of projection, people may attribute feelings, motives, or attitudes they find unacceptable in themselves to someone else, such as reading things into posts.

I'm certainly not going to articulate a diagnosis, but Rockyrd clearly has a problem. It may be as simple as reading comprehension problems. I just don't know.


Carl in Tampa

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Thank you.
 

Thank you. I try to be respectful of the views of others, and if I disagree with the view I try to assemble facts that prove a contrary position. I strive to avoid calling names and using abusive or offensive language.

On rare occasions, I have to admit to myself that some people will simply not consider alternative views, and they repeatedly post long, rambling, repetitious messages that are not worthy of further consideration or response.

I have decided to characterize those people's postings as representative of various "Derangement Syndromes." It is just my shorthand for saying that I'm not going to respond to the posting.

Bold
 

I went back in and punched my first three responses up to BOLD. Did that help?

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Part of my problem, is on tapatalk the background is not green it is white. Thus the yellow "bleeds" all over the screen.

That I guess could be considered a negative of tapatalk, but tapatalk does remove all the advertising (thus quicker) and It shows the posters identity (without having to quote).

Oh well.

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Since you have identified me as having a problem, allow me....

Carl, when you first starting in the political, I was happy because what I remembered of you was of a smart thoughtful conservative.

I find after reading your posts here that you are an egoist of the nth degree (you actually named a syndrome after yourself) and frankly, you use all the "buzz words" that are in the racist dictionary.

AT least you do not steal others words, that I am aware of as does Rubicon. But you do share the same ego system that allows you to lecture down to folks as if you had all the answers, and I assure you, that you do not

Knowing how you will react, let me say. Your lecture is wasted on me. I was a conservative LEADER for many many years. I KNOW what a Republican is supposed to represent and it is not even close to what Trump, nor you profess. The leaders in this country that I had the privilege to know represented the country with humility and especially they had a moral code. While they might stretch things in campaigns, they would rather die thaN actually lie to an american citizen or allow themselves to condone it. They would speak up. I realize times are different, but I will continue to fight HATE, DECEIT, and allowing the WH where I spent a great deal of time to be filled with such HATE.

I just wanted to take my opportunity to say what I think after reading most of your posts. You are an egoist and a racist, and while you will not agree, and perhaps think your white nationalist views are proper, they are in support of HATE and DECEIT and used to be repugnant in any Republican. I left the party this past year and am very happy and solid in that decision.

White nationalists are not new to this country, but they will never overcome the good americans who worship the country and no man, and who defend honor and truth

First President I ever met said this.....Dwight Eisenhower.......He was a good man

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The qualities of a great man are "vision, integrity, courage, understanding, the power of articulation, and profundity of character."

PS...I will rescind the racist label and replace it with "white nationalist". Not sure what the difference is in realty, but I know many white nationalist do not like the term racist.

Blah blah blah blah

Really?
 

Apparently you have a limited sense of humor. "Trump Derangement Syndrome" is a status assigned to people who oppose Trump no matter what he says or does. It is widely used, and anyone who follows politics is familiar with it.

The new category of "Carl Derangement Syndrome" is a variation on that which is used for someone who opposes me no matter what I say. It is a joke. You qualify since you refuse to accept my plain, uncomplicated English language words. You "project" a belief that I am using "racist buzz words."

Do me a favor. Identify some of those buzz words and show where I have used them in my posts. Show actual quotes found in my messages.

You spent "a great deal of time" in the White House? What would it add up to in the aggregate in hours, or days? I was assigned there for several years. I protected several different Presidents over the years, including my favorite --- Ronald Reagan.

Carl in Tampa

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I visited there many times as I reported first to Adm Arliegh Burke and then Gen Twining when they acted as the head of JCS.

Your constant need to be sarcastic and "needle" is a bit tiresome. Of corse I did not spend years there as you did, but worked there for weeks at a time depending on what was happening. Many nights at the Naval Observatory which is where the CNO lived at that time.

Got back during my activist time in the Republican Party with certain PA VIPs. No, you certainly were there longer, and you made that clear.

I was also a fan of Reagan.....he would be disgusted at the current Oval Office. My impression, he as one of my favorites, Eisenhower was honest and cringed at deceit. That is it for my sharing. You allies and fans called me a few obscene names when this was mentioned, as you said for context.

My time working "around" the Oval was not because I was a great person. Simple happenstance. I worked in the Pentagon in the crypto area,....if you know the Pentagon, that would be 4D. Arm Burke needed some help when I first arrived..I was assigned, and he liked me. That's it.

Cannot compete with your staring down story but early on was in Nam for a short time and one terrible memory was holding the head of a great friend as he died in the mud.

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Back on Point
 

Returning to the theme of my original post, Free Speech is under assault on many fronts.

I first made the point that "counter-demonstrations" against people who are regarded as engaging in unacceptable "hate speech" are assaulting First Amendment provisions for Free Speech when the counter-demonstrators engage in violence or intimidation with the specific intent of silencing the speech they oppose.

Then in a later post I gave several examples of the assault on Free Speech on college campuses, where violence, rioting, and burning were the weapons of those opposing Conservative Speakers scheduled to give talks on campus.

Now, let's talk about people who are asserting that the First Amendment does not protect "hate speech." Most notable among this group is former Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, and former Governor of Vermont Howard Dean, who has made this claim. Other public officials, like the Mayor of Portland, Oregon, have made the same claim.

However, the Supreme Court has repeatedly invalidated laws which were intended to bridle "hate speech." One such law was Ohio's criminal syndicalism law, prohibiting public speech that advocates various illegal activities. (Brandenburg vs Ohio) Brandenburg was a KKK leader speaking at a KKK rally.

Another law prohibited "display of a symbol which "arouses anger, alarm or resentment in others on the basis of race, color, creed, religion or gender." It was used against a man who burned a cross on someone's lawn. (R.A.V. vs City of St. Paul) In a 9-0 unanimous decision, the Court ruled that the First Amendment prevents government from punishing speech and expressive conduct because it disapproves of the ideas expressed.

One last example of attempts to pass laws restricting Free Speech. When members of the Westboro Baptist Church picketed the funeral of a Marine while displaying offensive signs, such as "Thank God for Dead Soldiers," the family of the Marine sued them. (Snyder vs Phelps) The Court held that the First Amendment shields those who stage a protest at the funeral of a military service member from liability.

Now, I don't endorse any of the offensive acts described in these cases. But, I do believe most sincerely that the First Amendment to the Constitution protects offensive speech.


Carl in Tampa

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Can't disagree...won't disagree.....never disagreed.

Having said that, we are not prevented from condemning a basic movement with every breath, a movement that is totally un American and morally corrupt.

When I read what is said on here, along with statements made by our President, I am allowed to be greatly alarmed that posts on here, and words from the WH are reluctant to condemn a movement based on Nazi's, but are quick to turn on United States citizens who perform tirelessly in our country...FBI, intelligence agencies, and even an ex President or war hero, and do it with no basis.

Yes, the right is there, I keep looking for the moral compass. It appears to be the season for attacking our own and our media without any merit. Having the white house whip up hate for the free press which IS honest, and has never been shown to be otherwise, attacking the people whether he likes them or not, who can help actually make legalative action possible.

But, I am the dumb one. I still think we should have new health care legislation and would have had the "leader" actually worked. He was attacking the bill, those who were working on it and spoke publicly of its "meanness"

Yes, free speech should be protected, but there seems to be more attention being paid to protecting a hate filled Nazi movement than our media, legislators, and hard working citizens if our country.

Rocky...the Nazi's are the liberals on the left. They DEMAND things, they DEMAND we think certain ways, act certain ways, speak certain words...all while the "victims" get to do, say, act, as they please. They create all kinds of laws and regulations so everyone does things that THEY think is "best". Liberals have their thumb on everyone. Conservatives want to be left alone to make their own life...not ruled over in every sense.

It's the liberal way...or the highway...is it not?

WELL, such a huge generalization. While I am conservative by nature and object to much that has gone on, we now have a President who has no legislation passed and with each days verbal attacks on individuals, he lessens the chance of passing any legislation whatsoever.....and we are a country of laws NOT men.

You support and he ran on change but he cannot do it with hate, only reason and compromise.

If you feel it can be mandated and not discussed rationally without the hate, then you actually want and enjoy the hate.

A Jewish friend of mine once told me when I could use a Nazi comparison as you did above. When the one you are comparing them to killed 6 million people. Since then I have never used the comparison.

COPUFF OUT WEST IN THE MILE HIGH STATE.

Liberals killed:

"National Right to Life estimates that, since the U.S. Supreme Court legalized abortion 43 years ago in Roe v. Wade and Doe v. Bolton , more than 58 million unborn children have lost their lives."

58,586,256 Abortions in America Since Roe v. Wade in 1973 | LifeNews.com

58 million mostly white children were killed by the liberals after they fought for abortions. A few more than the 6 million claimed by the Jews.

Liberals are committing genocide on the white race.

Statistics
 

The last few posts seem to have drifted away from the subject of the thread, Assault on Free Speech, but I thought I would make a couple of observations on the statements in yellow, above.

First, the obligatory disclaimer: I abhor abortion. I believe that the Supreme Court made a dishonest, politically motivated decision, without genuine basis, when it legalized abortion on demand.

Having said that, I believe that statistics quoted in the linked article, above, shows that Planned Parenthood is actually engaged in committing genocide on the Black race, not the White Race.

Although the report shows a breakdown of 37.6% of abortions were to White, non-Hispanic women, and 36.7% to non-Hispanic Black women, it must be put in perspective by realizing that Blacks are only 13% of the population, while Whites are 63%.

So, the abortion rate for Blacks (27.8 abortions per thousand women of reproductive age) is nearly four times that of Whites (7.7 per thousand).

Planned Parenthood was founded by Margaret Sanger, who advocated "eugenics" (improvement of the species) by reducing the birth rate of undesirables (which included low-income) who needed to be removed from the gene pool. Methods included both instruction in birth control methods and forced sterilization.

The Black culture seems incapable of realizing that abortion on demand continues to keep them very much a minority population. Down the road they may find themselves a minority in comparison to the Arab Muslims who have been flooding into our country.

Carl in Tampa

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Don't believe the numbers...

"Do ‘common welfare programs’ pay the equivalent of a $20.83-per-hour job?"

Do ‘common welfare programs’ pay the equivalent of a $20.83-per-hour job? | PolitiFact Rhode Island

Whites are NOT 63% of the population we are now 49%.

Joe Biden "Whites will be a Minority in US by 2017 and that's a good thing " - YouTube

Wow! :22yikes: That is about all that can be said for that post! There are a few other things such as "increase the meds" but I would not go there.

Wow! :22yikes:

Left you speechless, huh?
 

One wonders what you deny:

That the abortion rate for Blacks (almost four times the rate for Whites) will serve to keep Blacks a minority, or

That Arab Muslims (who are not known for visiting abortion clinics) will surpass the Black population sometime in the future?

A wisecracking reply proves nothing.


Carl in Tampa

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Census figures
 

According to official U.S. Census figures, the White population (not including Hispanic or Latino) of the United States amounts to 63.7%.

BUT, the government adds to that 8.7% who are Hispanic or Latino, because they consider those categories to be "ethnicity" and not "race."

That brings the total White population to 72.4%.

By the way, Joe Biden is an idiot.

An interesting sidelight to the census numbers shows that the lowest percentage of Whites is in the Northeast, with 18.4%. The Midwest has 24.3%; the South has 35.9%; and the West 21.4%.

Carl in Tampa

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