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Carl in Tampa 08-21-2017 08:39 PM

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Still silent on any criticism if the Mazi movement, which differs from others, nir comments on how those Nazi movements are now being slyly endorsed.

Just saying.

Well, either you are baiting me in an attempt to get me angry, which won't work..............or you are an imbecile.

Try to avoid the mental illness of Carl Derangement Syndrome that has enveloped your ally.

Here it is. Read it carefully. Try to comprehend.

I completely abhor Nazis, neo-Nazis, skinheads, and White Supremacists of every sort including the Ku Klux Klan.

I was engaged in active opposition to these people during a long federal law enforcement career. I personally interviewed and confronted them and submitted my analysis of their participation in their hate groups to our Headquarters where the reports were permanently filed and utilized in future threat assessments regarding the security of the President.

How many neo-Nazis have you looked directly in the eye from a distance of three feet and threatened to arrest? I've been there.

I also oppose Black Racists, such as those who participate in Black Lives Matter; the Antifa, which is an anarchist Communist movement; and anyone who participates in looting, burning, and rioting, and anyone who assaults law enforcement officers.

BUT, regardless of my personal feeling towards members of these groups, I insist that they have the right to speak and be heard.

Any person of even average intelligence and with some degree of reading comprehension ability should be able to understand the foregoing statements. Let's see how it goes.


Carl in Tampa
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Rockyrd 08-21-2017 08:47 PM

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Well, either you are baiting me in an attempt to get me angry, which won't work..............or you are an imbecile.

Try to avoid the mental illness of Carl Derangement Syndrome that has enveloped your ally.

Here it is. Read it carefully. Try to comprehend.

I completely abhor Nazis, neo-Nazis, skinheads, and White Supremacists of every sort including the Ku Klux Klan.

I was engaged in active opposition to these people during a long federal law enforcement career. I personally interviewed and confronted them and submitted my analysis of their participation in their hate groups to our Headquarters where the reports were permanently filed and utilized in future threat assessments regarding the security of the President.

How many neo-Nazis have you looked directly in the eye from a distance of three feet and threatened to arrest? I've been there.

I also oppose Black Racists, such as those who participate in Black Lives Matter; the Antifa, which is an anarchist Communist movement; and anyone who participates in looting, burning, and rioting, and anyone who assaults law enforcement officers.

BUT, regardless of my personal feeling towards members of these groups, I insist that they have the right to speak and be heard.

Any person of even average intelligence and with some degree of reading comprehension ability should be able to understand the foregoing statements. Let's see how it goes.


Carl in Tampa
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I stopped reading once you condemned the Nazi.

I don't care about your experience...you don't care about mine.

You obviously think me an imbecile for wanting to hear your condemnation.

You feel very good about yourself..I have no syndrome. You simply skip the hard parts when you respond.

NOBODY, DESPITE YOUR SAYING IT WAS SO EVER DENIED THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH....YET YOU KEPT HARPING AS IF WE DID.

you posting only about one group and finally you condemn the nazis. Please do not accuse me or anyone if ever sayin or even insinuating any one on here supports the groups you condemn as did others. Difference was you seemed to not conpndemn or even realize the seed of Boston.

I will take my imbecile mind and leave you with those who are attacking me and Coldnomore with zero evidence...just smart ass comments.

Have a nice night.

Oh, and no, I never looked at anyone in the eye as you did. Obviously you want another thank you for your service,....so thanks. You could care less to ask anyone their background, and I, for one won't share. I HAVE and was simply gouged with obscene remarks...called a liar, etc. so I will stick with the issues, and ignore your experien if you don't mind

Carl in Tampa 08-21-2017 09:48 PM

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I stopped reading once you condemned the Nazi.

Well, that's obviously not true because you responded to things that appear later in my post.

I don't care about your experience...you don't care about mine.

On the contrary, I would love to know your background. If you don't want to put it out publicly, perhaps you could PM it to me.

You obviously think me an imbecile for wanting to hear your condemnation.

To the contrary, as I said, you were baiting me for a response. You succeeded.

You feel very good about yourself..I have no syndrome. You simply skip the hard parts when you respond. .

I have taken the advice of Chi-Town to shorten my responses, and since you and your ally make such long posts I have to be selective about my responses.

NOBODY, DESPITE YOUR SAYING IT WAS SO EVER DENIED THE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH....YET YOU KEPT HARPING AS IF WE DID.

No, I didn't say YOU did. I said the Black Lives Matter and the Antifa did. In a recent post I listed other examples on University Campuses.

you posting only about one group and finally you condemn the nazis. Please do not accuse me or anyone if ever sayin or even insinuating any one on here supports the groups you condemn as did others. Difference was you seemed to not conpndemn or even realize the seed of Boston.

My original post was lamenting the marchers who were trying to shut down a Free Speech meeting. It was immaterial that the sponsors of the meeting were planning hate speech. They still had the right to "peaceably assemble" as guaranteed by the same First Amendment.

I will take my imbecile mind and leave you with those who are attacking me and Coldnomore with zero evidence...just smart ass comments.

Again, I did not call you an imbecile. I realized you were baiting me into a response.......which I gave. You succeeded.

Have a nice night.

Thank you. Same to you.

Oh, and no, I never looked at anyone in the eye as you did. Obviously you want another thank you for your service,....so thanks. You could care less to ask anyone their background, and I, for one won't share. I HAVE and was simply gouged with obscene remarks...called a liar, etc. so I will stick with the issues, and ignore your experien if you don't mind

You were doing so well up to here. When I am accused of "slyly endorsing" Nazis it is quite reasonable for me to contradict the accusation by telling of my experiences which demonstrate that the accusation is not true. Surely you see that.

And then you take a cheap shot at me personally, saying I am fishing for "another thank you" for my service. Shame on you.

Carl in Tampa


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Chi-Town, forgive the lengthy reply. I will try to do better.

Carl in Tampa

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dirtbanker 08-22-2017 07:26 AM

Carl - yellow font is very hard to see with my old eyes, maybe blue would make more of an impact (sorry red is used by rockface all to often, and the (unt uses orange all the time - of course with a furry of emojis).

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dirtbanker 08-22-2017 07:35 AM

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Oh, and no, I never looked at anyone in the eye as you did.

I HAVE and was simply...called a liar, etc.

The sheer embarrassment of voting Dopey Smurf for president would make it hard for anyone to look someone else in the eye.

You did lie, and therefore you were called a liar...apoligize to Rubi for lying to him and maybe everyone will no longer consider you a liar...

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Abby10 08-22-2017 07:38 AM

Carl,

Thank you for setting the example for logical, reasonable, respectful, and humble dialogue. Yes, humble. Where others have called you out otherwise, I see humility. Sometimes it depends on the eyes though which one views as to what one sees - I'm sure you get the point.

The tone that you have set for your posts is the tone we should all aspire to in responding to one another.

Again, thank you.

Allegiance 08-22-2017 07:39 AM

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Carl - yellow font is very hard to see with my old eyes, maybe blue would make more of an impact (sorry red is used by rockface all to often, and the (unt uses orange all the time - of course with a furry of emojis).

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Yellow is hard to read with young eyes too. The red and orange are not worth reading though.

C unt should use poopy brown as his color. Rockhead is so old and senile that it's sad.

Rockyrd 08-22-2017 08:53 AM

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Chi-Town, forgive the lengthy reply. I will try to do better.

Carl in Tampa

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Well, all your supporters are out in strength this morning.

They praise you lavishly for what I am not sure, but they do, so congratulate on your reputation and all the rejections of me, sans any reason or justification, is noted.

It was nice to see you finally condemn the nazis, you read so much into my posts, make your "thoughts" facts and then attack me....so far, I am an imbecile and a few other choice names.

But fine....always interesting to see how, as ABBY pointed out, different people read things.

On this forum, any even perceived difference on Trump is met with vile and stupid language....no facts, but I am expected to rise to some level set by people who shun facts.

I understand how it works. Not used to anything but intelligent conversation, but hard to converse with folks who have an aversion to truth and facts.

And sharing my background will only give more ammunition to the trolls on here and you would find it boring anyway. It does not seem relevant because it is a forum for discussion of issues, not personalities but alas........I was even criticized for pointing out a poster who chronically plagarizes...not a mistake, but many times. Sort of sets the tone here....if you support Trump, you may do anything or say anything and win approval. If, as I do, support some of his "proposed" policies but strongly object to his morals and his chronic lying, then I am the bad guy for questioning that, and the trolls even ignore my statement of support at time. Just make me wonder what drives this forum......facts and discussion thereof or writings on the bathroom wall. Not seeking approval from anyone (in any way), but simply wonder about the purpose and direction of this forum and of course our country. Seems this is now a "cultural" board steeped in nothing but all the things you guys preach against....identity politics, race, nationality. I thought it was to discuss things like health care, world issues, internal politics, but it is far from that.

Carl in Tampa 08-22-2017 03:06 PM

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Carl - yellow font is very hard to see with my old eyes, maybe blue would make more of an impact (sorry red is used by rockface all to often, and the (unt uses orange all the time - of course with a furry of emojis).

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Really? I had selected yellow because I thought it was a good contrast to the green background. I find red and blue against the green background difficult to read. And of course ColdNoMore has appropriated baby-poop orange, so I avoid that.

I will experiment with other colors, or try making the yellow a bold font.

Carl in Tampa 08-22-2017 03:30 PM

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Well, sadly I observe that the Olive Branch that I extended has been rejected due to Carl Derangement Syndrome.

Faced with another lengthy, rambling post, I will comment on only one remark. Rockyrd says, "...you read so much into my posts, make your "thoughts" facts and then attack me..."

Now, the fact is that this is exactly what Rockyrd has been doing. He ignores the plain language of my posts, and interprets them with a "twist" to make them mean something other than my plain language.

In the area of mental health there is a defense mechanism known as Projection. One variety of projection is known as Neurotic Projection. In this type of projection, people may attribute feelings, motives, or attitudes they find unacceptable in themselves to someone else, such as reading things into posts.

I'm certainly not going to articulate a diagnosis, but Rockyrd clearly has a problem. It may be as simple as reading comprehension problems. I just don't know.


Carl in Tampa

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Carl in Tampa 08-22-2017 03:48 PM

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Carl,

Thank you for setting the example for logical, reasonable, respectful, and humble dialogue. Yes, humble. Where others have called you out otherwise, I see humility. Sometimes it depends on the eyes though which one views as to what one sees - I'm sure you get the point.

The tone that you have set for your posts is the tone we should all aspire to in responding to one another.

Again, thank you.

Thank you. I try to be respectful of the views of others, and if I disagree with the view I try to assemble facts that prove a contrary position. I strive to avoid calling names and using abusive or offensive language.

On rare occasions, I have to admit to myself that some people will simply not consider alternative views, and they repeatedly post long, rambling, repetitious messages that are not worthy of further consideration or response.

I have decided to characterize those people's postings as representative of various "Derangement Syndromes." It is just my shorthand for saying that I'm not going to respond to the posting.

Carl in Tampa 08-22-2017 03:53 PM

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Carl - yellow font is very hard to see with my old eyes, maybe blue would make more of an impact (sorry red is used by rockface all to often, and the (unt uses orange all the time - of course with a furry of emojis).

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I went back in and punched my first three responses up to BOLD. Did that help?

Allegiance 08-22-2017 04:34 PM

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dirtbanker 08-22-2017 04:44 PM

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Really? I had selected yellow because I thought it was a good contrast to the green background. I find red and blue against the green background difficult to read. And of course ColdNoMore has appropriated baby-poop orange, so I avoid that.

I will experiment with other colors, or try making the yellow a bold font.

Part of my problem, is on tapatalk the background is not green it is white. Thus the yellow "bleeds" all over the screen.

That I guess could be considered a negative of tapatalk, but tapatalk does remove all the advertising (thus quicker) and It shows the posters identity (without having to quote).

Oh well.

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Rockyrd 08-22-2017 05:38 PM

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Well, sadly I observe that the Olive Branch that I extended has been rejected due to Carl Derangement Syndrome.

Faced with another lengthy, rambling post, I will comment on only one remark. Rockyrd says, "...you read so much into my posts, make your "thoughts" facts and then attack me..."

Now, the fact is that this is exactly what Rockyrd has been doing. He ignores the plain language of my posts, and interprets them with a "twist" to make them mean something other than my plain language.

In the area of mental health there is a defense mechanism known as Projection. One variety of projection is known as Neurotic Projection. In this type of projection, people may attribute feelings, motives, or attitudes they find unacceptable in themselves to someone else, such as reading things into posts.

I'm certainly not going to articulate a diagnosis, but Rockyrd clearly has a problem. It may be as simple as reading comprehension problems. I just don't know.


Carl in Tampa

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Since you have identified me as having a problem, allow me....

Carl, when you first starting in the political, I was happy because what I remembered of you was of a smart thoughtful conservative.

I find after reading your posts here that you are an egoist of the nth degree (you actually named a syndrome after yourself) and frankly, you use all the "buzz words" that are in the racist dictionary.

AT least you do not steal others words, that I am aware of as does Rubicon. But you do share the same ego system that allows you to lecture down to folks as if you had all the answers, and I assure you, that you do not

Knowing how you will react, let me say. Your lecture is wasted on me. I was a conservative LEADER for many many years. I KNOW what a Republican is supposed to represent and it is not even close to what Trump, nor you profess. The leaders in this country that I had the privilege to know represented the country with humility and especially they had a moral code. While they might stretch things in campaigns, they would rather die thaN actually lie to an american citizen or allow themselves to condone it. They would speak up. I realize times are different, but I will continue to fight HATE, DECEIT, and allowing the WH where I spent a great deal of time to be filled with such HATE.

I just wanted to take my opportunity to say what I think after reading most of your posts. You are an egoist and a racist, and while you will not agree, and perhaps think your white nationalist views are proper, they are in support of HATE and DECEIT and used to be repugnant in any Republican. I left the party this past year and am very happy and solid in that decision.

White nationalists are not new to this country, but they will never overcome the good americans who worship the country and no man, and who defend honor and truth

First President I ever met said this.....Dwight Eisenhower.......He was a good man

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The qualities of a great man are "vision, integrity, courage, understanding, the power of articulation, and profundity of character."

PS...I will rescind the racist label and replace it with "white nationalist". Not sure what the difference is in realty, but I know many white nationalist do not like the term racist.


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