And which label would you put on yourself? I am proud to be Progressive and looking forward to the future.

The answer is they all do.
Please don't try to convince us the only way forward is being a "progressive" what ever that really means.
Rather try to convince some of us that progress cannot be made by the status quo.
Or that progress cannot be made by going back (which by the way does not AUTOMATICALLY convey a negative...nice try).

We fully understand your world and it's drivers (that allow you what to say or not say) are not proponents of any other opinion/position/status than theirs is strictly forbidden and shall be challenged no matter how stupid the challenge may be.

If you are the status quo just standing still, you will be run over by those going forward. If you are a Regressive, you are stuck in the past and have learned absolutely nothing.

Climb aboard the plane of the future and experience what is waiting for you.

I place no labels on myself or anyone.

BUT, interesting and as you like to say..."fun"....recall on post 46 when your were so enjoying the making fun of me and said it was fun. Well, you used the URBAN DICTIONARY in speaking of trigger warnings......

WELL, here is your URBAN DICTIONARY on PROGRESSIVES......only posting this because you use this source thus trying to be accommodating.....

"Progressive
A term that former liberals co-opted when they discovered that their delusional beliefs didn't fit any recognized definition of the word liberal.

These fools are frequently self-loathing, unsuccessful losers who can only feel better by projecting their failures onto their opponents.

A "Progressive" is identified by the following behaviors/beliefs:

- Knows what is best for everybody else
- Claims to be well-informed even though they get their news/talking points from the Daily KOS and/or MSNBC

- Believes that personal wealth is evil yrt they fawn over wealthy celebrities and limousine liberals

- Believes corporations and profit are evil, and will tweet about this 24/7 on their fancy iPad

- Thinks name-calling and demonizing opponents is the same as debate

- Accuses every person with a dissenting view of being a racist

- Supported Occupy Wall Street from the comfort of their living room, not the rape tent

- Drives a Prius with a COEXIST bumper sticker
- Believes in the rights of everyone, except those who disagree

- Thinks the Constitution is flawed because they can't control all 3 branches of government

- Believes YOUR success could only have come at THEIR expense

- Believes Al Gore is right about global warming, even though his carbon footprint 100X of the average person

- Thinks voter identification is racist, because it discriminates against dead people


They then give an example to finish it off...

"Conservative: I believe in personal responsibility and smaller government

Progressive: You racist hate-monger

Conservative: You said you believed in equal rights for everybody

Progressive: Racist! You should die!"

Urban Dictionary: progressive

Would never access this but thought for you since it is a favorite of yours.

Friend,
I did not write post 46. I did write post 50.
i am sure you can find a real dictionary to tell you what a Progressive means. Look at the lifestyle of Quakers. Study Former VP Wallace.

I APOLOGIZE TO YOU AND ANYONE WHO HAS TO READ THAT !!

I thought I was speaking or posting to the same guy who mocks constantly and used that source earlier. I would NEVER use a source like that and am sorry.

As a serious answer then to your question about how I would label myself.

I truly can see both sides of issues for the most part. I was an active Democrat for years and left the party in the 70's over what I perceived as a wrong concerning minorities and how they were "handling" them.

I probably lean more conservative and much of that is a resistance to the "in your face" progressive movement in the country. I believe the progressive movement is manipulating us and encroaching on all of our liberties. While they like to speak about how empathetic they are, I find except of the idealistic young, to be using minorities in this country to their own benefit.

I think the future which you look forward to is gong to be bleak. For a few reasons. The progressive movement, which is basically socialism, has failed at every turn in every place it ever had a foothold. IT guarantees financial downfall if allowed to go unchecked. To allow unrest in the name of justice is wrong. To tolerate and approve of unrest in the name of justice is wrong. I marched alongside Martin Luther King in 1965 and he would be appalled at that things that are said and done in his name.

I think that progressives are destroying free speech, as I have alluded to in a number of posts. If you want a conversation on an issue, you need two sides. Progressives do not want conversations. The minute you express yours and it differs from theirs, they will brand you in some manner. It may be racist, it may be bigot, it may be stupid, but they will brand you. Progressives do in fact follow strictly the teaching of Saul Alinsky. Although many politicians of all stripes have studied Alinsky, the progressive movement led by a man (our President) who actually TAUGHT Alinsky principles.

Since your question was aimed at me personally, I will share this with you...I opposed President Obama in 2008, but once he was elected, I thought that it was going to be ok, because I felt strongly about many of the same things he did....health care was one of them. After watching his actions leading up to the Affordable Health Care approval I was dismayed. He mocked and ignored the opponents, lied about how he would proceed and smiled about it all smugly while Reid controlled the Senate on his behalf by violating so many rules. He has not changed much. I am not much into the "in your face"...my way or the highway kind of politics.

I also believe that our next President must be someone who will make an effort to be a statesman and reach across the aisle. I know I am anti Clinton because she is a divider in every way. I have no idea which candidate I will vote for as I need to wait until serious questions are asked of the candidates.

Just trying to paint a picture of who I am. On Trump, of course he is brash, naive, and will not get close the nomination BUT he is bringing up things that need to be discussed and of course as I mentioned being called all kind of names based on I have no idea what, but he can take that and does not care. Problem is that the progressive movement cannot be questioned on the things he brings up...but he IS more right than wrong.

I am tired of the pandering and that is what is happening. Those posters who wonder about our President and his stance on the street crimes, etc have very valid points. He has a bias, and to that he is certainly entitled and I think everyone understands that, but his total disregard for Law that he does not agree with is staggering. This country was founded on LAW, and that is our basis for being strong. In the riot cases, and I do not want to re hash all of that, but notice as time goes on, EVERYTHING that was said or implied was a lie. And our government stood and did not back the law, but a constituency instead. THAT bothers me.

So, call me a racist.call me a bigot...whatever but that name calling is not going to change my belief in the basic principles of this country. CHANGE is not always good.....PROGRESSION is not always good and that does not mean that any CHANGE OR PROGRESSION is always bad either.

It always amazes me that the progressive movement always has a need to be right and discussion is tabu. IF that were the case, life would be easy. Everyone vote straight Democratic party because they are right in everything. THAT is not the case, and since it is not, then they need to talk to the other side.

Oh, and one dividing rod always between the labels that you and others prefer is abortion. I am very anti abortion. That does not make me anti women rights, and that is the attitude we all get, which is typical...if you aint with me then you are this or that.....I believe that unborn child has a right to life as well, and believe that this country is basically being torn apart by the breakdown in the traditional family.

Sorry for all of this but feel bad about my link I posted and feel bad I mis read who you were. Sorry for that and sorry for the long rant....I just started to type and will probably regret things I said or didn't say but you get the basic idea and I try to address questions and not simply make smart aleck remarks.

Dear Guest: I am the OP on this thread. I agree with you that progressive means going forward. However that is where our agreement ends.

The facts are that progressives applications policies, etc are intended to eliminate individual and personal freedom and with replace it all with government control.

In the event this is lost on you it means that the war fought by our founding fathers to free us from the grasp of England's monarchy for our individual freedoms, fascist progressive are reversing by supplementing government control. It can also be stated as regressive policies.

The fireman from MN placed that flag on that fire truck as a act of civil disobedience because he recognized that progressive were at work utilizing Alinsky Tactics of dividing people. The purpose of dividing people is the opposite pole of uniting people because united we stand divided we fall.
Blacks exercise civil disobedience and progressives hail them as heroes but some white guy from MN is dealt with severely for his protest for freedoms.

People better wake up or we will soon be calling each other comrade.

Personal Best Regards:

So that is how you do it. Make up definitions you like that make or support your point. Then as quickly as possible crap on everybody who states ANYTHING inconsistent with your made up definitions. You certainly don't need much information doing it that way.

No matter how you choose to do it you do in fact consistently refuse to acknowledge anybody opinionsother than yours.

You are absolutely right in that no movement can be 100% correct. I call myself a Progressive because of the leanings of my church - Quaker. We are an activist people, non-violent but activist. It dates to before the Civil War and then during the Civil War, Quakers helped slaves from the South run away and find new lives in the North or in Canada. During the Vietnam War, Quakers were protestors and were helpful in getting the US out of Vietnam. We did serve when called. I was drafted and went to Vietnam as a medic but never did carry a weapon.

The Urban Dictionary is used for humor, I believe, and to egg others on. I figured you were doing some of that and shrugged it off.

Do not discount the effect that Progressives or Liberals will have on this election. There are many of us out there and we include the factions not normally found in the Republican Party. It is not likely that these factions will join the Republicans and there will be some Republicans coming over to our side when topics such as women's rights and minority rights are discussed more openly.

I apologize totally. If I offended you in anyway, I am sorry. We can disagree but no reason to be rude.

I honestly thought I was posting directly to one of our resident wise kids.

I am sorry

No worries.... I just enjoy the free exchange of ideas and hope to continue that with you in the future.

The OP who tries always to seem so reasonable...

Why is it that you missed the reason the cake couple in Oregon was fined, or to put it differently, lied in your post about the reason if you really did read the ruling? Could you not be properly understanding why the fine was levied? Or do you just like to claim "liberty" and "freedom" are your side of the political fence's words?

Micro aggression and trigger warnings.......cover of Atlantic

How Trigger Warnings Are Hurting Mental Health on Campus - The Atlantic

Sorry, if something offends one person, then it has to go. The new America. There you go, live with it or change it. Time for the majority to have a voice for a change and quit worrying so much about one person being offended. That's how we mature, by living with challenges.

Now, the POW flag is offensive to the pacifists, so they want it destroyed.

In my opinion, there is a difference between good manners and PC. Manners is knowing when not to use offensive language. PC is being afraid to to speak less you offense someone's sensitivities.

My wife wonders why I don't socialize very frequently. It's because I speak my piece, regardless of PC. But, I do have enough manners not to purposely try to offend. I find it offensive that being offensive is permitted for the Hollywood, comedy and musicians, but everyone else has to toe the line when it comes to "offensive" terms. Sorry, but think some folks just have thin skin and need to get a life.

Don't try to teach my grandchildren a new history. Don't teach them that what they learned in church is biased. And don't teach them that being wealthy is bad. And most of all don't teach them that American exceptionalism is evil. We are the best country in the World and no one should apologize for that. NOT EVEN THE PRESIDENT.

We are a country of majority. The majority makes the rules. Like it or not. Americans do not purposely attempt to hurt those that don't believe as we do, but we should not change our way of life to suit a small group of sensitive folks. If we feel that something is morally unacceptable, who are you to call us bigots. We tolerate something, but may not condone it. That does not make us bigots. Don't try to force us to accept your way or change our way. You accept that we do not agree with you and we are the majority. If you wish conformance, then you conform with the majority, not the other way around. I don't like cabbage but my wife does. She can eat it, but don't try to make me eat it. I don't forbid her from eating it and she doesn't force me to eat it. That way, we both get along. I don't get upset and wreck the house.