I think that is just fine for men to have "men only clubs" and women to have the same. My god, do we have no choice anymore of who we spend our time with on this planet ?

I think that some people are just predisposed to LOOKING for a message.

I guess we have to share our lives with everybody, no matter what!

notlongnow, AMEN!! AMEN!! AMEN!!

Put a Halt to This Silliness
 

I fully support freedom of association for any group. Neither of my two sons wanted to join a Sorority and neither of my two daughters wished to become a member of any of the Fraternities. Sororities and Fraternities are private organizations that choose their own members and require that the members be of a specific gender. Every one that I know of receives government aid either directly or indirectly.

Most Masonic Lodges are men only while The Daughter of the American Revolution is restricted to women. Trying to distinguish these organizations from a Country Club is equally as sensible as debating how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The basic idea of freedom is to allow people to do what they want so long as it does not hurt others. As I’ve told my children, you have every right to swing your arms, but that right ends where another person’s nose begins.

There is a big difference though from a Soroity or Fraternity and the Augusta National Country Club where one of the most prestigious golf tournaments in the world is played. It is the Masters we are talking about here.


I have no problem say with women not being in the NFL, NBA, NHL, MLB as players or with them actually playing in the Masters Tournament. The Augusta National Country Club though is different in quality and kind.

Women in the NFL-- http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-opinio...-nfl-long-shot

http://weeklyworldnews.com/sports/28...women-to-play/

Sure would be a lot of challenges for a woman who played against the big boys in the NFL.

Women in NBA-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Meyers

http://espn.go.com/espnw/news-opinio...oman-shoot-nba

I don't see the difference. There is only a difference if you care about golf and then only to some, a very few in my opinion.
Is it fair that Rory Mcilroy can't play in the LPGA open? I will never get to play at Augusta, what about me?

I don't think you are talking about competition though.
I think you think the 1% are just taking advantage of women and taking there right to play at Augusta.
I believe you are really reaching to find a connection to the ridiculous notion that conservatives are trying to limit women's rights, which is equally a stretch.

Not conservatives but the power brokers at the Augusta National Country Club are limiting women's rights. Some of these power brokers could just as well be extremely liberal in outlook except with respect to having a female Country Club Member.

The golfers in the Masters have earned there right to be there as say has the CEO of IBM who is a woman earned the right to a Green Jacket. http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes...s-a-man-to-do/

No kowtowing in my house (unless it's me doing it). My wife is a Democrat/Liberal. I'm a Democrat/Liberal too. We knew what we were getting into. 43 years of equality and bliss. I suppose I could have married a more conservative woman, but I fear it would have gotten boring after a while. I can only take so much adulation. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Happy Easter,
Xavier

Happy Easter, Xavier.

Here is a little Easter joke about women's equality.

Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street bald as an Easter Egg and still think they are beautiful.

:eclipsee_gold_cup: :laugh: :clap2: :1rotfl:

Hi Taltazac: Perhaps I mistake your post but it seems to me Romney, Ryan and company have been presenting in writing, at conferences, during campaign speeches ,etc exactly how to re-energize this economy.

In that same vein, Obama has from his 2008 campaign days made it clear that his plan for our society is by a redistribution of wealth. To my way of thinking this redistribution agenda is like taking someone's hard earned efforts of collecting a bucket full of water and removing a glass of water at a time to be given to someone so long as the water lasts in that bucket. Clearly several peple are happy initially with a glass of water. However eventually a glass is going to be enough because they want more and more and more without any effort. In the meantime the hard working water collecting individual has long given up because he has not been rewarded for his efforts.

Put it another way Obama is building another Greece, Spain, Italy Portugal,etc .

My last post about being a poor non talent was obviously in jest, except I am poor and non talented. However, many Americans are tired of the canards presented by the liberal left. The liberal agenda as if it is has a magic exlixir contnues, because too many liberals simply cannot recognize or acknowlege the limitations in natural law. Life is not fair ....and liberals need to come to grips with that fact and apply reasonable remedies.

Liberals are acting as spoiled children making unreasonable demands when they try and force a private organization to open enrolment

I recall a time when Jews, Italians, etc were prohibited from joining private country clubs. What did they do...they made lots of money and started their own clubs.

Sounds like Mitt Romney is sending mixed messages.
 

I have seen what seem like very mixed messages about the Augusta National Country Club allowing women as Members from the Country Club Chairman Billy Paine as well as those about the 1% earners and taxes coming from Mitt Romney.

Romney’s Tax Plan Still A Boon To Rich, Despite 1% Talk | TPM2012

and I suppose the democrats who have been in the presidents office and congress have really done so much to NOT favor the rich?

The haves work for the haves no matter the letter R or D or white or black or religion.

Only in politics do SOME try to subdivide it and make it a partisan issue, which it is not.

Just another talking point like everything else. If one tried to measure it you would have more success measuring a passing cloud!!

btk

President Obama does not really seem to work for the haves though as far as I can tell. And, "wealth redistribution" comes up a lot in the political rhetoric of Republicans. President Obama tries to counter that claim-- http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...buting-wealth/

Would you care to state what the 'big difference' is that you perceive. You say the difference is that it is Augusta National CC. So what? Augusta National is a fraternal organization. Be consistent - either you either oppose all single sex fraternal organizations or you do not.

I fully support them since I believe in freedom of assembly. You, apparently, do not. Will you next insist on banning the Congressional Black Caucus? It too, is a fraternal organization.

I see that someone just shot a double eagle at the Masters. The difference is that the Masters is a world famous golf tournament at a Country Club that finally got around to allowing an African American as a Member in 1990!
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/0...osthuizen.html

And, it still has not allowed women in their Country Club after a big stink in 2002.

The caddies at this Country Club had to be black up through 1982.

"Before 1983, staff caddies were assigned to professional players. All of the staff caddies were black, a lingering remnant of the Jim Crow south. Club founder Clifford Roberts once quipped 'As long as I’m alive, all the golfers will be white and all the caddies will be black.'"


If you are "black" or identified by others as a "black" and are a Member of Congress, then you could join the Congressional Black Caucus.

If you are a woman and a student at the U of FL, you can join a Sorority at the University of Florida.

If you are a CEO who is the major sponsor of the Masters (IBM), then you should be able to become a Member of the Country Club where the Masters in played every year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_National_Golf_Club

Augusta National like any private organization has a legal right to decide on the criteria they use to select their membership. Some private Country Clubs require a certain handicap and without it you cannot play their courses.

Liberals simply have a burr under their saddle and all of a sudden their famous "No means No" stance no longer has application.Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Rubicon: Based on your post on 4/8 at 6:06PM - Are you comparing rape to membership in a country club? Just a question.

You, like many others tend to identify discrimination with the South. You ignore the facts. An example, until the 80's, The Los Angeles Country Club would not admit Jews and Hillcrest would not admit Gentiles. Similar examples about in the BoWash corridor and throughout California and Texas.

You say that women CEO's should be able to join Augusta. You fail to say that this is your opinion and not a legal obligation. Let the Shriners be the Shriners, the DAR be the DAR and EVERY fraternal organization be allowed to set its own rules for membership without permission from any level of government. There is too much intrusion of government in our lives today - we don't need more.

Not sure what you mean by this "no means no" reference and again Mitt Romney, John McCain, the Gingrichs and probably a large number of other Republicans have stated that they in addition to many Democrats have said that the Augusta National Country Club should change its policy about women.

No I do not identify discrimination with just the South having read various Supreme Court and other cases that cover discrimination in many other US geographical areas. I also remember the book A Beautiful Mind and its discussion of discrimination against Jewish intellectuals in Ivy League universities and colleges.


Have no problem with the Shriners just allowing men to join as there are plenty of similar organizations that only allow women to join. Same with the Daughters of the American Revolution and its only allowing women who can trace their ancestry to someone who fought in the American Revolution on the American side. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughte...can_Revolution

And, I never said anything about the government forcing the Augusta National Country Club to change its policy on women. They should do it because it is the right thing to do.

I believe we're basically agreeing with each other. You say they should do it because it is right thing to do. My belief is that they should do it if they want to and to H--- with political correctness.

bbqman:agree:

Rich white men usually can do whatever they want with respect to political correctness.

My guess is that the IBM CEO has already been invited to join this Country Club but the Augusta National Country Club will just keep it secret so as not to keep this PR mess in the media.

Congrats to Bubba Watson for winning this year's Masters (2012).

Just a thought but I have not seen anything in the newspapers since the one or two articles about the Master and IBM having a female CEO. It apparently was not a big deal to anyone at the Masters.

That said, since the Masters is over any talk of opening membership at the Masters to females is put to bed until the 2013 Masters.

The NY Times had something recently.
 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/09/sp...rowd.html?_r=1

From the NY Times article--

"Billy Payne, the club’s chairman, avoided the issue in a news conference that turned contentious early in the week, but even on Sunday, as the leaders were moving toward the back nine, there were still strong feelings on both sides among many of the spectators."

The Masters is nothing without tradition...unfortunately 2 traditions are at odds:

1. Men only members
2. The CEO of IBM is automatically invited to join.

Which tradition will win out?

This same tired discussion comes up every year at The Masters. It will now go away until next year. No big deal.

Next topic, please.

Probably both. If I could bet on this, I would bet that she would be invited and out of respect to the tradition decline the invitation. Ginni Rometty is a class act and will conduct herself accordingly.

Maybe an "honorary membership"?

Interesting dilemma. My guess is she might be too busy running IBM to get involved with the Augusta National Country Club even if invited.

Also, she might not want her name associated with being the first women allowed as a Member at August.

Wall Street Journal comes through with some common sense.
 

Masters 2012: A Tradition That Should Change. IBM's Virginia Rometty and Augusta National Golf Club - WSJ.com

Sexism at Augusta National (or, when false objectivity gets in the way of the facts) - Forbes


A quote from the Wall Street Journal article by Jason Gay.

"It's time to take off those stylish green tin foil hats, turn down the reality distortion field, and acknowledge the obvious: Absence of a female member at golf's most prominent club—not just a folksy conclave in the woods, but the sport's best-known stage, a citadel of corporate power, happily monetizing and broadcasting its event to millions—is woefully out-of-date and should embarrass anyone invested in this event."

and what page in the book of earth shattering priorities should this subject be located?

btk

It has just moved up a number of pages in that book with The Wall Street Journal and Forbes adding their voices.

Looks like a feminist with connections is also getting into it-- http://themoderatevoice.com/143836/a...nge-the-world/

I think that if the liberals would spend as much time being "busy" as being "busy bodies" we could double our productivity!
Why don't we just find everything that works and screw it up and get it over with. That way we can just start wearing the little grey uniforms that make us all the same!

Wait, that's what we are doing, Okay were on track.

And yes for those out there that can't stand it, this is just me jumping in with a one-liner. (maybe two.)

Not sure what you are talking about here. It brings to mind the "Little Boxes" song which unless I am mistaken was written by a San Francisco activist. Cannot really get more liberal than that. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boxes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malvina_Reynolds

What I am saying is with all the problems we have right now that THIS is no problem at all.
Augusta happens once a year and the rest of the time it only affects a select few who wish to participate in the country club drivel.

I am sure the rich women out there are able to fill there time in other ways other than sitting around with a bunch of old rich guys.

There certainly are many more important problems than getting a woman in as a Member at the Augusta National Country Club.

This is though just so easy a problem to fix. Maybe, they have already done it with the rumors about adding another restroom.


Country club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Why fix what ain't broke?

What I am saying!

So, you are saying let's just leave the Augusta National Country Club alone because there policy on not allowing women Members is OK by me???



"It's just an embarrassment that it's still all male," said Debora Spar, president of Barnard College in New York. "Any argument that can be made anymore for male-only recreational sites is just kind of past its day."

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