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Guest 04-08-2012 07:26 AM

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I don't see the difference. There is only a difference if you care about golf and then only to some, a very few in my opinion.
Is it fair that Rory Mcilroy can't play in the LPGA open? I will never get to play at Augusta, what about me?

I don't think you are talking about competition though.
I think you think the 1% are just taking advantage of women and taking there right to play at Augusta.
I believe you are really reaching to find a connection to the ridiculous notion that conservatives are trying to limit women's rights, which is equally a stretch.

Not conservatives but the power brokers at the Augusta National Country Club are limiting women's rights. Some of these power brokers could just as well be extremely liberal in outlook except with respect to having a female Country Club Member.

The golfers in the Masters have earned there right to be there as say has the CEO of IBM who is a woman earned the right to a Green Jacket. http://loyalopposition.blogs.nytimes...s-a-man-to-do/

Guest 04-08-2012 08:20 AM

No kowtowing in my house (unless it's me doing it). My wife is a Democrat/Liberal. I'm a Democrat/Liberal too. We knew what we were getting into. 43 years of equality and bliss. I suppose I could have married a more conservative woman, but I fear it would have gotten boring after a while. I can only take so much adulation. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Happy Easter,
Xavier

Guest 04-08-2012 08:40 AM

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No kowtowing in my house (unless it's me doing it). My wife is a Democrat/Liberal. I'm a Democrat/Liberal too. We knew what we were getting into. 43 years of equality and bliss. I suppose I could have married a more conservative woman, but I fear it would have gotten boring after a while. I can only take so much adulation. :laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:

Happy Easter,
Xavier

Happy Easter, Xavier.

Here is a little Easter joke about women's equality.

Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street bald as an Easter Egg and still think they are beautiful.

Guest 04-08-2012 10:07 AM

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Happy Easter, Xavier.

Here is a little Easter joke about women's equality.

Women will never be equal to men until they can walk down the street bald as an Easter Egg and still think they are beautiful.

:eclipsee_gold_cup: :laugh: :clap2: :1rotfl:

Guest 04-08-2012 10:46 AM

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According to whom?? I have heard the claim that President Obama is a socialist bent on class warfare. Not really buying that claim. Show me how Mitt Romney would get the money to balance the budget without raising taxes?? Wealth redistribution claims against President Obama from a Republican usually means an attack on the increase of taxes on the rich.

Hi Taltazac: Perhaps I mistake your post but it seems to me Romney, Ryan and company have been presenting in writing, at conferences, during campaign speeches ,etc exactly how to re-energize this economy.

In that same vein, Obama has from his 2008 campaign days made it clear that his plan for our society is by a redistribution of wealth. To my way of thinking this redistribution agenda is like taking someone's hard earned efforts of collecting a bucket full of water and removing a glass of water at a time to be given to someone so long as the water lasts in that bucket. Clearly several peple are happy initially with a glass of water. However eventually a glass is going to be enough because they want more and more and more without any effort. In the meantime the hard working water collecting individual has long given up because he has not been rewarded for his efforts.

Put it another way Obama is building another Greece, Spain, Italy Portugal,etc .

My last post about being a poor non talent was obviously in jest, except I am poor and non talented. However, many Americans are tired of the canards presented by the liberal left. The liberal agenda as if it is has a magic exlixir contnues, because too many liberals simply cannot recognize or acknowlege the limitations in natural law. Life is not fair ....and liberals need to come to grips with that fact and apply reasonable remedies.

Liberals are acting as spoiled children making unreasonable demands when they try and force a private organization to open enrolment

I recall a time when Jews, Italians, etc were prohibited from joining private country clubs. What did they do...they made lots of money and started their own clubs.

Guest 04-08-2012 11:31 AM

Sounds like Mitt Romney is sending mixed messages.
 
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Hi Taltazac: Perhaps I mistake your post but it seems to me Romney, Ryan and company have been presenting in writing, at conferences, during campaign speeches ,etc exactly how to re-energize this economy.

In that same vein, Obama has from his 2008 campaign days made it clear that his plan for our society is by a redistribution of wealth. To my way of thinking this redistribution agenda is like taking someone's hard earned efforts of collecting a bucket full of water and removing a glass of water at a time to be given to someone so long as the water lasts in that bucket. Clearly several peple are happy initially with a glass of water. However eventually a glass is going to be enough because they want more and more and more without any effort. In the meantime the hard working water collecting individual has long given up because he has not been rewarded for his efforts.

Put it another way Obama is building another Greece, Spain, Italy Portugal,etc .

My last post about being a poor non talent was obviously in jest, except I am poor and non talented. However, many Americans are tired of the canards presented by the liberal left. The liberal agenda as if it is has a magic exlixir contnues, because too many liberals simply cannot recognize or acknowlege the limitations in natural law. Life is not fair ....and liberals need to come to grips with that fact and apply reasonable remedies.

Liberals are acting as spoiled children making unreasonable demands when they try and force a private organization to open enrolment

I recall a time when Jews, Italians, etc were prohibited from joining private country clubs. What did they do...they made lots of money and started their own clubs.

I have seen what seem like very mixed messages about the Augusta National Country Club allowing women as Members from the Country Club Chairman Billy Paine as well as those about the 1% earners and taxes coming from Mitt Romney.

Romney’s Tax Plan Still A Boon To Rich, Despite 1% Talk | TPM2012

Guest 04-08-2012 01:14 PM

and I suppose the democrats who have been in the presidents office and congress have really done so much to NOT favor the rich?

The haves work for the haves no matter the letter R or D or white or black or religion.

Only in politics do SOME try to subdivide it and make it a partisan issue, which it is not.

Just another talking point like everything else. If one tried to measure it you would have more success measuring a passing cloud!!

btk

Guest 04-08-2012 01:24 PM

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and I suppose the democrats who have been in the presidents office and congress have really done so much to NOT favor the rich?

The haves work for the haves no matter the letter R or D or white or black or religion.

Only in politics do SOME try to subdivide it and make it a partisan issue, which it is not.

Just another talking point like everything else. If one tried to measure it you would have more success measuring a passing cloud!!

btk

President Obama does not really seem to work for the haves though as far as I can tell. And, "wealth redistribution" comes up a lot in the political rhetoric of Republicans. President Obama tries to counter that claim-- http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_16...buting-wealth/

Guest 04-08-2012 03:04 PM

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There is a big difference though from a Soroity or Fraternity and the Augusta National Country Club where one of the most prestigious golf tournaments in the world is played. It is the Masters we are talking about here.

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Would you care to state what the 'big difference' is that you perceive. You say the difference is that it is Augusta National CC. So what? Augusta National is a fraternal organization. Be consistent - either you either oppose all single sex fraternal organizations or you do not.

I fully support them since I believe in freedom of assembly. You, apparently, do not. Will you next insist on banning the Congressional Black Caucus? It too, is a fraternal organization.

Guest 04-08-2012 03:53 PM

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Would you care to state what the 'big difference' is that you perceive. You say the difference is that it is Augusta National CC. So what? Augusta National is a fraternal organization. Be consistent - either you either oppose all single sex fraternal organizations or you do not.

I fully support them since I believe in freedom of assembly. You, apparently, do not. Will you next insist on banning the Congressional Black Caucus? It too, is a fraternal organization.

I see that someone just shot a double eagle at the Masters. The difference is that the Masters is a world famous golf tournament at a Country Club that finally got around to allowing an African American as a Member in 1990!
http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/04/0...osthuizen.html

And, it still has not allowed women in their Country Club after a big stink in 2002.

The caddies at this Country Club had to be black up through 1982.

"Before 1983, staff caddies were assigned to professional players. All of the staff caddies were black, a lingering remnant of the Jim Crow south. Club founder Clifford Roberts once quipped 'As long as I’m alive, all the golfers will be white and all the caddies will be black.'"


If you are "black" or identified by others as a "black" and are a Member of Congress, then you could join the Congressional Black Caucus.

If you are a woman and a student at the U of FL, you can join a Sorority at the University of Florida.

If you are a CEO who is the major sponsor of the Masters (IBM), then you should be able to become a Member of the Country Club where the Masters in played every year. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augusta_National_Golf_Club

Guest 04-08-2012 05:06 PM

Augusta National like any private organization has a legal right to decide on the criteria they use to select their membership. Some private Country Clubs require a certain handicap and without it you cannot play their courses.

Liberals simply have a burr under their saddle and all of a sudden their famous "No means No" stance no longer has application.Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Guest 04-08-2012 05:33 PM

Rubicon: Based on your post on 4/8 at 6:06PM - Are you comparing rape to membership in a country club? Just a question.

Guest 04-08-2012 06:10 PM

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I see that someone just shot a double eagle at the Masters. The difference is that the Masters is a world famous golf tournament at a Country Club that finally got around to allowing an African American as a Member in 1990!
Rare double-eagle gives Oosthuizen Masters lead - Golf - MiamiHerald.com

And, it still has not allowed women in their Country Club after a big stink in 2002.

The caddies at this Country Club had to be black up through 1982.

"Before 1983, staff caddies were assigned to professional players. All of the staff caddies were black, a lingering remnant of the Jim Crow south. Club founder Clifford Roberts once quipped 'As long as I’m alive, all the golfers will be white and all the caddies will be black.'"


If you are "black" or identified by others as a "black" and are a Member of Congress, then you could join the Congressional Black Caucus.

If you are a woman and a student at the U of FL, you can join a Sorority at the University of Florida.

If you are a CEO who is the major sponsor of the Masters (IBM), then you should be able to become a Member of the Country Club where the Masters in played every year. Augusta National Golf Club - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You, like many others tend to identify discrimination with the South. You ignore the facts. An example, until the 80's, The Los Angeles Country Club would not admit Jews and Hillcrest would not admit Gentiles. Similar examples about in the BoWash corridor and throughout California and Texas.

You say that women CEO's should be able to join Augusta. You fail to say that this is your opinion and not a legal obligation. Let the Shriners be the Shriners, the DAR be the DAR and EVERY fraternal organization be allowed to set its own rules for membership without permission from any level of government. There is too much intrusion of government in our lives today - we don't need more.

Guest 04-08-2012 06:37 PM

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Augusta National like any private organization has a legal right to decide on the criteria they use to select their membership. Some private Country Clubs require a certain handicap and without it you cannot play their courses.

Liberals simply have a burr under their saddle and all of a sudden their famous "No means No" stance no longer has application.Hmmmmmmmmmmm

Not sure what you mean by this "no means no" reference and again Mitt Romney, John McCain, the Gingrichs and probably a large number of other Republicans have stated that they in addition to many Democrats have said that the Augusta National Country Club should change its policy about women.

Guest 04-08-2012 06:39 PM

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You, like many others tend to identify discrimination with the South. You ignore the facts. An example, until the 80's, The Los Angeles Country Club would not admit Jews and Hillcrest would not admit Gentiles. Similar examples about in the BoWash corridor and throughout California and Texas.

You say that women CEO's should be able to join Augusta. You fail to say that this is your opinion and not a legal obligation. Let the Shriners be the Shriners, the DAR be the DAR and EVERY fraternal organization be allowed to set its own rules for membership without permission from any level of government. There is too much intrusion of government in our lives today - we don't need more.

No I do not identify discrimination with just the South having read various Supreme Court and other cases that cover discrimination in many other US geographical areas. I also remember the book A Beautiful Mind and its discussion of discrimination against Jewish intellectuals in Ivy League universities and colleges.


Have no problem with the Shriners just allowing men to join as there are plenty of similar organizations that only allow women to join. Same with the Daughters of the American Revolution and its only allowing women who can trace their ancestry to someone who fought in the American Revolution on the American side. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daughte...can_Revolution

And, I never said anything about the government forcing the Augusta National Country Club to change its policy on women. They should do it because it is the right thing to do.


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