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Guest 10-02-2008 11:54 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 163743)
Did anyone hear Mort Zuckermann on CNBC this AM, 11:00 AM CST, on how this bailout is full of holes and won't work. This is the sort of information people need to hear, exactly what is wrong with the plan as proposed with all it's giddy little congressional ornaments. We need to replace all of the standing legislators, what a sorry group! (I wish Michael Bloomberg would have thought of running for president, he is a person of interest.) OOPS, gone political on the end there, I'm outta here.


I find it rather strange that they say this is one of the most important pieces of legislature in years, yet our President, nobody in congress ever comes on tv and makes any attempt to explain it.

Guest 10-02-2008 12:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 162125)
The more I read and hear the more I think I either agree with the House Republicans or think no bail out at all.

How does everyone else feel on whether there should be a bail out ?

Questions like this challenge our ability to choose what is best for the Country vs how it will affect my income. The doomsday message recently has been that if there is not a bailout it will be "Pearl Harbor Day for the economy" and people are at risk of losing their 401-K's. Well, if your retirement livelihood is dependent on your 401-K my guess is you'll be in support of the bailout.

Guest 10-02-2008 12:17 PM

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As a longtime retired banker, let me tell you why.

Banks and other regulated financial institutions now have way too many loans on their books that have or will default and whose book value is doubtful. As the loans decline in value, the difference between book and market value must, by regulation and accounting requirements, be written off, causing a loss on the P&L. When the loss from the P&L is reflected on the bank's balance sheet, it is a charge against the capital accounts. An adequate amount of capital is a requirement of the bank regulations for banks to make loans.

So what we have here in the current financial mess is a huge number of loans (most estimates have the amount as well more than $1 trillion) that reside on bank's books that will be written down or even written off, reducing the bank's capital accounts dollar for dollar. The only way that those capital accounts can be restored or built up is thru retaining profits (not likely that the banks will be profitable anytime soon) or thru the sale of equity (no company would contemplate selling stock in this market). The result of the mess is that not only will banks not be able to make new loans, but they will likely have to reduce the amount of loans they have on their books. Without credit, our economy and the economy of the rest of the world will grind to a halt very, very quickly. If you consider how banks and lenders can correct this problem--increasing capital by being profitable or selling equity--you can easily see how long it will take for the economy to "re-start" and work itself out of this situation. It could be years of negative economic growth, a severely depressed stock market, much incresed unemployment, inflation, an even less valuable dollar--basically a long depression.

Everyone should be incensed at those that caused this problem--Wall Street, greedy bankers, an inattentive Congress, an administration that purposefully weakened bank regulations, lobbyists who "bought off" the politicians, and an American public who didn't give a damn. But at this point, there's no point in being mad and saying No, No, No. That would be cutting off our noses to spite our faces. Unfortunately what needs to be done, in one way or another, is to remove the bad loans from the bank's books so that they can use their capital to make new loans and keep the economy moving--not necessarily growing for awhile, but at least moving. Basically, the government--you and me--will be required to dig deep into our pockets and the pockets of our children and grandchildren to provide the capital to buy the loans and remove them from the banking system. That needs to be done NOW. Correcting the causal factors and getting rid of the people who were behind this mess will have to wait until later. I'm hopeful that will happen and that the public will maintain its collective anger until things are done--but that may be wishful thinking.

I hope this helps everyone understand what's happening.

I gotta meet this guy...

Guest 10-02-2008 12:52 PM

Rshoffer, if you would have heard Zuckermann, there is a good chance the bailout will fail and much more cash will be required from the American people. Do you really think 401K's will be intact with a bailout? I highly doubt they will recover sufficiently in the next 10 years and very high taxes will be required from all of us. And they increased the amount of the bailout to hand OUR money back to US after they have washed it through their channels of "costs" to do business.


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