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ColdNoMore 03-09-2017 05:21 PM

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I've read that lawsuits add 30% to the cost of medical care. We've done nothing to reduce this. Most people think the doctor, the hospital etc have deep pockets. If, a person is injured, even if they caused the injury themselves a jury will likely give them a huge reward. The atty and the accused know this so they will usually settle rather than go though a trial. Those awards are added into the high cost we pay for medical care.

AHA, I think I've found the reason you are almost always wrong.

You need different reading sources (either that, or like Chump...you just like to lie purposely). :oops:

Medical Malpractice: Myths and Realities - True Cost of Health Care

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In fact, the total amount spent in the US for medical malpractice (including the amount spent by hospitals as well as legal costs) was estimated to be about $10 billion in 2010.

We can assume it’s less than that now. But even if it’s the same amount, $10 billion is only about 1/3rd of one percent of the $3 trillion total spent on health care in the US in 2013. That’s hardly a huge factor.

You probably read this and being not-too-bright, math challenged and a right-wing extremist....thought that it meant 30% instead of .33% . :ohdear:


And on the 'defensive medicine' side...
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That brings us to the subject of defensive medicine. As I’ve shown, the direct cost of medical malpractice is a negligible fraction of overall health care costs in the US. Many have countered that fact by saying that doctors are so terrified of being sued they’ll often order batteries of unnecessary tests on patients and make unnecessary referrals in order to avoid lawsuits. It’s these unnecessary tests that drive up our health care costs, not the direct cost of medical malpractice.

This is an interesting argument, and one that’s hard to prove either way.

After all, what do we really mean when we say a test was unnecessary and why do doctors order such tests? It’s safe to say that no doctor has ever been sued simply for not ordering a test that a patient wanted. Doctors can get sued for not ordering tests that would have detected a real problem, but that’s because that really is malpractice.


I encourage you to read the whole article so as to try and educate yourself...and quit passing on lies. :thumbup:

PS...no charge for the education. :D


Deepest Sincere Wishes: :wave:

ColdNoMore 03-09-2017 05:54 PM

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But that is exactly what Obamacare expects us to do.

Much complaining and gnashing of teeth occurs about the long waits at ER's across the country. When I asked them at TVRH why they could not just send the actual non-emergency patients via the shuttle or tell them to go over to The Villages Urgent Care, they said that it is because they have to treat patients regardless of whether they pay; they cannot be refused treatment at the ER. Urgent Care facilities can and do.

Not always true...in regards to 'non-emergency' situations.

It might be their company policy, but like so many who believe that by law an ER has to treat anyone, regardless of condition...that is simply false.

It depends on whether they meet the definition of 'private' or 'public' hospital.

If they are a public hospital, the requirements under The Emergency Medical and Treatment Labor Act (EMTLA) are more stringent regarding turning away patients...but if they are private

Can Hospitals Turn Away Patients?

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Privately-owned hospitals may turn away patients in a non-emergency, but public hospitals cannot refuse care. Public hospitals, funded by taxpayer dollars, are held to a different standard than privately owned for-profit hospitals. This means that a public hospital is the best option for those without health insurance or the means to pay for care.

Difference Between Private Hospitals and Public Hospitals
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Technically speaking, the difference between private hospitals and public hospitals lies with the governance of the hospital. The services provided in a private and a public hospital are more or less the same.

While I admit that I don't know if TVRH is legally considered a public or private hospital, my guess is that even though it is owned by a corporation...it is considered legally 'public' under EMTLA.

Which would make the statement of the person you talked to...correct.

If it is considered a 'private' hospital however, they would be wrong... from a legal perspective.

dirtbanker 03-09-2017 06:17 PM

Anyone else notice some queefing in here??

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Shimpy 03-09-2017 06:58 PM

If Obama care is so great, why did congress opp out of being included in it?

ColdNoMore 03-09-2017 07:14 PM

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If Obama care is so great, why did congress opp out of being included in it?

You didn't really just say that...did you? :oops:

If you already had healthcare (that met the minimum requirements)...there was no reason to change it.

Which was the vast majority of people.

Please go do a little research regarding people who had healthcare before ACA...and why they didn't have to go to 'Obamacare' either. :ohdear:


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Rosie1950 03-09-2017 07:29 PM

One thing that always bugged me here in Fl. when I managed a department for a major corp. here in Lady Lake. I had 12 young ladies working for me. My company offered medical insurance to full time employees at a very reasonable rate of 24.00 weekly. You would be surprised at how many of the SINGLE ladies would NOT sign up for the insurance. They paid the FINE!. NOW here's what KILLED me, they would become PREGNANT, go to a woman's health clinic, then get on STATE INSURANCE!

THIS BUGGED THE CRAP OUT OF ME. WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH DID ALL OF US HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR SORRY ASSES TO HAVE A BABY, WHEN THEY WERE ENTITLED TO AFFORDABLE INSURANCE FROM THEIR EMPLOYER?

DON'T YOU THINK THOSE LAWS NEED TO CHANGE?

In the years that the ACA was in effect my insurance at work went up only 1 year, and it was only a 10.00 a week increase the rates stayed pretty steady, so I would have to say that it did work for our company, the way it was promised. Before the ACA my insurance would increase by 20.00 or more weekly. I worked for this company for many years so I know how this was going up year after year.

Don Baldwin 03-09-2017 07:41 PM

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One thing that always bugged me here in Fl. when I managed a department for a major corp. here in Lady Lake. I had 12 young ladies working for me. My company offered medical insurance to full time employees at a very reasonable rate of 24.00 weekly. You would be surprised at how many of the SINGLE ladies would NOT sign up for the insurance. They paid the FINE!. NOW here's what KILLED me, they would become PREGNANT, go to a woman's health clinic, then get on STATE INSURANCE!

THIS BUGGED THE CRAP OUT OF ME. WHY ON GODS GREEN EARTH DID ALL OF US HAVE TO PAY FOR THEIR SORRY ASSES TO HAVE A BABY, WHEN THEY WERE ENTITLED TO AFFORDABLE INSURANCE FROM THEIR EMPLOYER?

DON'T YOU THINK THOSE LAWS NEED TO CHANGE?

In the years that the ACA was in effect my insurance at work went up only 1 year, and it was only a 10.00 a week increase the rates stayed pretty steady, so I would have to say that it did work for our company, the way it was promised. Before the ACA my insurance would increase by 20.00 or more weekly. I worked for this company for many years so I know how this was going up year after year.

We pay because they're women...NEVER held accountable...always bailed out....never blamed.

ColdNoMore 03-09-2017 08:26 PM

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We pay because they're women...NEVER held accountable...always bailed out....never blamed.

Do you really have to be a flaming A$$HOLE...ALL of the time?

Don Baldwin 03-09-2017 09:11 PM

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Do you really have to be a flaming A$$HOLE...ALL of the time?

This: "We pay because they're women...NEVER held accountable...always bailed out....never blamed."

Is being a "flaming as$hole"?

It's true...WHEN are women held accountable? The truth HURTS...yes it does. Don't expect me to go along with your delusion.

What were YOU better at than ANY man? Nothing. You're not an equal to men. Stop lying to yourself. How many programs are there JUST for women who need help? Why are there so many? Because WOMEN...ALWAYS...need help. They also NEED quotas because people don't hire them because they're NOT as good as white men in most fields.

They pop out a kid they shouldn't have and they have automatic welfare. Have enough kids and you can get up to $60,000 a year in benefits. Free house, free food, free phone, healthcare, education.

No wonder the young of today don't want to work, they see how easy it is NOT to work.

Go to the welfare office...minority women and whites with black kids. Go down there...it should be close to MLK Blvd to make it "convenient" for them. Be sure to stay around, watch how the neighborhood changes at night. Socialize with them...don't be afraid. IF you get back in one piece...you can tell us about it.

Yes...you suckered me in again. Wasted time for you...but not for others. If I've convinced just one that the nation MUST go back to the ways of the 50s. White men doing what they do best...creating and improving western civilization.

ColdNoMore 03-09-2017 10:10 PM

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This: "We pay because they're women...NEVER held accountable...always bailed out....never blamed."

Is being a "flaming as$hole"?

It's true...WHEN are women held accountable? The truth HURTS...yes it does. Don't expect me to go along with your delusion.

What were YOU better at than ANY man? Nothing. You're not an equal to men. Stop lying to yourself. How many programs are there JUST for women who need help? Why are there so many? Because WOMEN...ALWAYS...need help. They also NEED quotas because people don't hire them because they're NOT as good as white men in most fields.

They pop out a kid they shouldn't have and they have automatic welfare. Have enough kids and you can get up to $60,000 a year in benefits. Free house, free food, free phone, healthcare, education.

No wonder the young of today don't want to work, they see how easy it is NOT to work.

Go to the welfare office...minority women and whites with black kids. Go down there...it should be close to MLK Blvd to make it "convenient" for them. Be sure to stay around, watch how the neighborhood changes at night. Socialize with them...don't be afraid. IF you get back in one piece...you can tell us about it.

Yes...you suckered me in again. Wasted time for you...but not for others. If I've convinced just one that the nation MUST go back to the ways of the 50s. White men doing what they do best...creating and improving western civilization
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I can't even fathom, going through life being as petrified of minorities and women...as you are.

It must be a living he11 for you.

Although I'm happy being three times the man you are, just the fact we share the same gender and skin color (supposedly you are a white male)...makes my skin crawl. :wave:

Don Baldwin 03-09-2017 10:31 PM

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I can't even fathom, going through life being as petrified of minorities and women...as you are.

It must be a living he11 for you.

Although I'm happy being three times the man you are, just the fact we share the same gender and skin color (supposedly you are a white male)...makes my skin crawl. :wave:

There you go again...confusing disgust and loathsomeness with fear. Fear is what you have, it's why you want white men squashed. You get the government to do it for you. Can't beat us on a level playing field, you have to tip it in your favor. You have to have the standards lowered. You have to have quotas. You're NOTHING pretending to be something and crying to mommy and daddy government to help you.

WHAT can women do that men can't? Give birth? Then go DO IT...SAVE your race. Quit pretending you have a "career", and get to having kids.

dirtbanker 03-09-2017 10:40 PM

Looks like Don is standing on (unt's neck again...

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wjboyer1 03-10-2017 12:33 AM

If we had single payer health insurance like in canada and britain, there would be no argument on this site. A canadian justly said that he doesn't mind paying more taxes because a person in a different part of the country needs life saving surgery.....he says that it is just plain concern and empathy for his fellow man. It looks like here in the u.s. You really don't care about your neighbor, or the person across the country that needs medical help.....you only think that you are being taken advantage of by those who "don't deserve" to be healthy, or to live. I think that collectively, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Don Baldwin 03-10-2017 06:07 AM

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If we had single payer health insurance like in canada and britain, there would be no argument on this site. A canadian justly said that he doesn't mind paying more taxes because a person in a different part of the country needs life saving surgery.....he says that it is just plain concern and empathy for his fellow man. It looks like here in the u.s. You really don't care about your neighbor, or the person across the country that needs medical help.....you only think that you are being taken advantage of by those who "don't deserve" to be healthy, or to live. I think that collectively, you should be ashamed of yourselves.

Canada and the other "1st world European countries" who provide "free" healthcare...don't have the minority problem we have. They don't have a 49% white population...they don't have half their population receiving some form of "welfare" from the government.

If I'm supporting you because you refuse to support yourself...WHY should I pay the "fix you", when all you'll do is cost me more when you're well again? Why should we pay for people who are breeding us out? Why should we pay people to destroy our country?

Canadians and the other 1st world countries are paying for other humans, white people's, healthcare...not another species like we're doing.

They're NOT us.

ColdNoMore 03-10-2017 06:26 AM

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Looks like Don is standing on (unt's neck again...

:1rotfl:


Says Racist Boy Baldwin's...'Mini-Me.' :oops:




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