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If you use photos from the 1920's you will see American flags. If you look at Klan activities from the 1960's forward you will see CSA flags in far greater number. Even on the website you linked, look at only color photo which is the only one taken in the last 60 years. Proudly hanging next to the USA flag is the CSA flag. The B&W photo here is from a Klan march in the 1980's in NC. The other is from your linked website and undated. And if you really don't understand the close connection of the KKK to the Confederate flag I offer a google image search for you using KKK rally https://www.google.com/search?q=kkk+...h&q=kkk+rally+ |
With some research we see that the flag of the CSA is not the same flag as is commonly associated with the Confederacy. The design used on the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia was never officially recognized as one of the national flags. It was rejected as a national flag in 1861.
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It's a battle flag, not a national flag. It represents all who died in the civil war
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Is the Nazi swastika allowed to fly anywhere in Germany? NO! The confederate battle flag is comparable to the Nazi swastika. The KKK and the Nazis have much in common such as white supremacy. |
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how very amusing.....a minority (not race) special interest group attempting to take to task another minority (not race here either) special interest group.
And some so brazen as to claim they have the majority to back their position. Let's just agree to disagree. The confederate flag was not designed or intended to represent racism. In recent years, once again, special interest groups have been continuing to categorize a subject to fit their cause. Think about the future of the Americam flag. At what point will it be determined by the majority....that would no longer be US.....to represent a whiteness that prohibeted people of color from being Americans......or something like that. No? I would not bet against it given the trend of changing and redefining going on in America today. |
It is the flag adopted by the segregationist of the KKK and others to represent their beliefs. It doesn't matter one whit whether it was a flag of Northern Virginia or a squadron of dung beetles. It is now a very clear symbol of the desire to reassert white domination of this country and that blacks are an inferior species. I don't need history lessons, I am very well versed in history. Flags mean what the users of those flags represent. It is no accident that Roof had the Rhodesian flag on his clothes. He was not honoring the sacrifices of Mr Rhodes, he was honoring its modern association with the racist view of the world he shared. We don't represent the dead of Nazi Germany by flying the Nazi flag. We don't even represent the dead of the Union soldiers, or the WW I soldiers by displaying the flag under which they fought. We use the modern USA flag. So stop the excuse based on what the flag might have meant in 1862. It now means segregation, racism, bigotry to all those with any degree of decency. Even the very conservative state of Texas understood the meaning of that flag. And every time that CSA flag is held high above a white sheet, above a Nazi salute, its modern day meaning is made ever clearer
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As for the second part of your statement - ignorant. |
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/20/us...e-iphone-share So good and so true. South Carolinians love this flag so much that it will take a super-majority vote in both the house and senate to make any changes, unless of course they change the law requiring a super-majority. Changing the law would only require a simple majority. The only optimistic caveat towards removing the flag is South Carolina's changing demographics and the business community. |
Once again, the point is made that no back and forth dialogue can be had on some of these threads. You try to post links as simply examples and posters take them out of context. My point in posting was not to say that I know it all, or to prove this one or that wrong, but to just get people to think about intentions instead of assumptions. It was my mistaken notion that anyone here would want dialogue that may bring understanding. Apparently the only important thing to some is to push their agenda. So go at it - I've got better things to do.
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How about a lol. I don't know how to do it, but I would bet the results of it would be to remove it.
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Lol, that lol above was supposed to read poll.
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I believe you will find that the Confederate Flag has different meanings to different people just as does the American Flag, the Christian Cross, a pro ball's team logo, etc. and this debate all ends up being someone's opinion.
The issue to me is First Amendment rights to free speech, etc. and I believe that it is important no matter how one feels to allow a person, a state to make that choice. We have groups like Freedom From Religion and the ACLU making a concerted effort to remove religion from America because they say it offends some people but the essence of free speech is that you are going to offend somebody but only when those offending move to the next levels does it matter. A KKK member who verbally espouses his belief exercises his First Amendment rights and those who opposed that idea express their contempt to this KKKer beliefs. It is not a problem unless either of these groups carries this belief to a higher and more invasive level I am not concerned that South Carolina chooses to fly the Confederate Flag because it is clear that black Americans are not interfered with in any respect in this state. What gauls me most is that this issue is really being used as a political stunt for the politically ambitious We have many problems to be resolved in this country and this dispute over a flag is just plain silly Personal Best Regards: |
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As to your blatant ignorance of the ongoing racial issues in South Carolina I will only need to point out to you that the judge who has been handling this case for the government has been removed because in open court 10 years ago he referred to black Americans as *******. In open court on the record and he was allowed to continue to hear cases and judge black persons. Was that blind justice or blindingly racist beliefs being tolerated? And we may not have problem any greater than racism in this country. Keep your personal regards, they seem to be tainted and I don't need that stain on me. |
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Mitt Romney* ✔@MittRomney Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol. To many, it is a symbol of racial hatred. Remove it now to honor #Charleston victims. 11:09 AM - 20 Jun 2015 |
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