CNN? Really?

The public display of this flag has no place in the USA. It symbolizes racism, hatred, and slavery and anyone (including our current Republican candidates for president) who fails to see it for what it is, becomes part of today's problems, not their solutions.

What's wrong with CNN? I don't watch it but curious

Mind your own business and stop passing judgement on others, who you don't know.

Watch CNN and then you will know.

[QUOTE=Guest;1077632]Nikki Haley, Lindsey Graham Will Call for Removal of Confederate Flag, Sources Say - NBC News


South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley and Senators Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott are calling for the SC legislature to vote to remove the confederate flag when they meet on Tuesday (tomorrow). If this vote passes, it would come down before the body of the state senator who died last Wednesday lies in state in the state house.

In a separate article, SC businesses, such as Boeing, BMW and others, are also calling for this flag to come down.


Here is what is wrong with this whole debate ...spineless politicians who can't hold their ground. The only smart one of the lot was Mike Huckabee who refused to be pulled into the debate explaining it was a state issue and had nothing to do with the presidential campaign.

Some posters lumped the nazi flag with the confederate flag which in my view was at minimum a poor effort. One could take that analogy and add the American flag because some people find it offensive and even a few who live in America

Too many Americans have short attention spans or simply do not understand our system of democracy or are just plain lazy because this is not about a flag its about free speech which has been taking a terrible beating these last few years. political correctness = socialist restraints on individual freedoms

Personal Best Regards:

[quote=Guest;1077670]I believe the Supreme Court may have weighed in on this last week when it allowed Texas to ban Confederate Flag license plates. Seeing as the flag is flying on state government land it may fall this umbrella.

Maybe to liberal? My cousin called them the Communist New Network...but everyone will be left of Fox News.

If not for the Confederate flag, would we still have slavery? The civil war ended slavery, which was a good thing, not something to forget. The flag never hurt anybody.

After reading your post and then re-reading mine, I realize that what I was trying to convey may not have been clear. Here is my concern about all of this - what happened in SC was a terrible thing. By putting so darn much emphasis on this flag and what it does or does not mean, i think is a disgrace to the memory of those who were killed. That is just my very humble opinion. This was an act done by a person - whether he is mentally ill or evil or racist, this is where our anger should be placed, not at a flag. I just don't get it. We are in a national debate over a flag instead of dealing with how we get to the point that something so horrific as this can happen and continues to happen. Maybe this familiar line will be better understood, "What difference does it make"? Is taking that flag down (which by the way, I have no problem with if that's what the state decides and looks like it has) - but is that going to change any hearts? Because you know, that's the real problem.

That was an amazing speech today by Governor Nikki Haley. Anyone who missed it, should find it now and watch it. She was on stage with a bi-partisan group of people, mostly elected officials.

It was a little unclear when this vote will be taken, but Haley did say that she will call a special session of the legislature later this summer if needed.

On a related note, President Obama and Vice President Biden will both travel to Charleston to attend the funeral of the SC senate member who was killed last Wednesday at Mother Emmanuel church. Obama will deliver his eulogy.

Oh no. Mississippi is on th radar....Attachment 52589

[quote=Guest;1077670][QUOTE=Guest;1077632

South Carolina Governor Nikki Haley and Senators Lindsey Graham and Tim Scott are calling for the SC legislature to vote to remove the confederate flag when they meet on Tuesday (tomorrow). If this vote passes, it would come down before the body of the state senator who died last Wednesday lies in state in the state house.

In a separate article, SC businesses, such as Boeing, BMW and others, are also calling for this flag to come down.


Here is what is wrong with this whole debate ...spineless politicians who can't hold their ground. The only smart one of the lot was Mike Huckabee who refused to be pulled into the debate explaining it was a state issue and had nothing to do with the presidential campaign.

Some posters lumped the nazi flag with the confederate flag which in my view was at minimum a poor effort. One could take that analogy and add the American flag because some people find it offensive and even a few who live in America

Too many Americans have short attention spans or simply do not understand our system of democracy or are just plain lazy because this is not about a flag its about free speech which has been taking a terrible beating these last few years. political correctness = socialist restraints on individual freedoms

Personal Best Regards:[/quote]

Absolutely wrong! First, would YOU be okay with a next door neighbor flying a Nazi flag? I hope not! Is that a socialist restraint on individual freedom? No! Just try doing it.

Huckabee actually said the victims should have been carrying guns in church and was calling for MORE guns to stop crazies! He is the crazy! The other GOP hopefuls have tried to put this on attacking Christians and not about guns. More crazies!

If some major manufacturing moves out of SC, it will make them take action. Power of money!

Finally, as said before, keep your personal best regards to yourself. They are tarnished and do not show good judgement on the topic.

[quote=Guest;1077817]Dear Guest: Your attacks on me make this personal and once you cross that line you lose objectivity. Please stay with the essence of the topic and you may gain advantage.

The tragic event of 9 people killed and a picture of the Roof holding a confederate flag gave segue to opening this issue of the flag claiming it showed Roof as a race hater.

However in an Bill O'Rielly interview with a man who spoke with Roof one gets a clearer picture. According to this man his conversation caught the attention of Roof and Roof walked over to him and they had a conversation and during that conversation the man noted a gun tucked in Roof's trousers. the man said that the conversation quickly turned emotional and Roof began spouting about Hitler and Nazi's and the man quickly ended the conversation.

Its going to become clear that Roof has a mental disorder. So here is the main point of my re-telling this story. A person with a mental disorder can seize on any group and spew hatred it comes and goes. it just happen that he was focused on African=Americans at the time he was ready to take it to the next level but it could have been anyone or any group jews muslims american soldiers. So is the basis of his act was not race race per se but simply a derangement because of his cognitive confusion.

One poster point to the fact that the flag argument is a distraction and I agree not only concerning the 9 people whose lives were taken but to the bigger issue at hand which is when are we going to address the needs of the mentally ill. There is no difference from the stand point of care between a sick body and a sick mind but our nation has ignored the mentally ill because it not chic like other celebrity causes.

Again I say this is a state issue and the people of South Carolina should have the right to a referendum on the issue of the confederate flag's place.

I am a strong advocate of our U S Constitution, Bill of rights and Declaration of Independence (Three Charters of Freedom) and all we are getting here on this issue are noise and threats from organizations that want to curtail our individual freedoms. so you can continue the name calling but my focus and energies are on preservation of freedoms from organizations like the ACLU Freedom From Religion, etc. and again I end respectively with

Personal Best Regards:

Of course Roof is a deranged person. No one could doubt that. There were some friends of his who heard him rant about African Americans and it was up to him to do something like shoot up a campus. WHY didn't they call authorities? The man O'Reily talked to - WHY didn't he call someone right away after hearing Nazi rants from someone with a gun? Those are prime questions.

As for the battle flag - it was not the cause, of course, but like the Nazi flag, it is a symbol of hate. Some see either flaf as a symbol or tribute to brave soldiers who died for the beliefs in those flags. You did not answer about your reaction if a neighbor flew a large Nazi flag on his flagpole.

I suspect the SC legislators will decide to remove the battle flag from the statehouse grounds.

The main problem remains mentally ill people owning guns. It is not about too few guns, too many guns, but mentally ill people having guns AND no one willing to call authorities when they encounter a mentally ill person with a gun.

Ask yourself, if you were at Codys and talking to someone at the bar and he showed you his gun and started racial hate talk, would YOU call 911 right away?