You still won't seriously address the question that's the elephant in the room. Why are you avoiding it.

Which religion is teaching conversion of faith or death in the present world, by edict of it's holiest book and the words of it's most eminent leaders?

Is that religion Islam or Christianity.

You say the majority of Muslims do not practice the teachings, but do they REJECT them? Do they SPEAK OUT AGAINST THEM?

I guarantee you they do not. The majority of Muslims in this country think we brought 9/11 on ourselves.

Your "friends" may not kill you, but they'll be understanding of those who do.

Who's speaking out? Well, you won't find it on the networks - you have to look for it.

Try this:

The American Islamic Leadership Coalition opposes enforcing sharia law:

http://americanislamicleadership.org/AILC_Response_MI

More mainstream muslims speaking out:

http://www.newsmax.com/Emerson/musli...0/04/id/372430

A video that Right Wing News thinks should get more airplay:

http://rightwingnews.com/religion/9-...name-of-islam/

But it's not like Islam has a monopoly on this kind of stuff. The Catholic church won't police it's own but at least they're "down" to raping children as opposed to burning Jews or anyone who pointed at a woman and screamed "witch!". Remember what I said about feeling like Islam is 700 years behind Christianity in maturation? Again, just a personal opinion.

Mind you, the Bible is FULL of verses preaching extermination. I read through all of Leviticus in one setting and I felt like I needed to shower for a month afterwards.

But to get to one of your other points...

Check out this poll on American Muslims - it seems to contradict your opinion that the majority of Muslims think we brought 9/11 on ourselves. While not directly mentioning 9/11 (it was about terrorist attacks on civilians in general) the article said:

I really would like to know your attitudes on the posting of Old Coach Ed who asked what you would like done with the 6 million Muslims in the US and also on what I posted regarding how you would welcome a Muslim community next to The Villages.

I'm done. I can't debate someone who won't face the question at hand.

What do YOU think? Are you OK with a movement that is designed to bring your country down to ashes? Are you respecting that religion that teaches that the greatest glory is to die while killing YOU?

What is God's name is your point?

It is called a straw man, Richie.

You need to get out more.

Lets not kid ourselves, Muslims are raised and taught from an early age to be infidel killers. Christians are infidels in the eyes and minds of all Muslims that follow the Islamic faith. You cannot spin this and be serious.

Really? So you and Richie are simply calling all those other polls, the statements I linked to and the people I've met a grand conspiracy of liars and plotters?

Just to make sure... Richie, you said I was dodging the question - the matter at hand about Muslims. I pointed you to several links - the poll indicating that *American* Muslims are even more fervently anti-violence than other religious denominations, for one. I pointed you to people who ARE speaking out against the violence and hatred.

You choose to ignore those?

Why is it that you rail against the "lame-stream media" when it's one of your oxes being gored - a message you (and other conservatives) want to get out in the public. Yet, if it's a message that runs counter to your opinions, you dismiss it out of hand.

I would think that, having pointed out the exact kind of people you SEEM to want to hear from - Muslims decrying violence and rejecting hatred, you would be EAGER to highlight them.

It would be as if someone was claiming that Christians were war-mongering and genocidal and quoting passages from Leviticus as 'proof'. You can't name very many Christian preachers or pastors who are TODAY talking about Leviticus being a bit out of date. It's just naturally assumed. If you PRESS an individual Christian, they'll tell you that Jesus forged a new covenant. But it's not what you see in the papers every day.

Now, if you're talking about Muslims *overseas*, well, you have a better argument. But I just pointed you to information that speaks heavily to those who are on our shores now.

They can convince me they are peaceful and will not kill if they Convert to Christianity.

ALL kidding aside, they are dangerous heathens with one mission: KILL ALL NON MUSLIMS.

How do you tell a moderate muslim? He's the one out of ammunition.

So, if I hear you correctly, if a significant group of Muslims moved into the area and decided to frequent the restaurants and entertainment of The Villages on a regular basis, you would "discourage" them from doing so?

I absolutely would and if they came in their desert costumes, I would get up and leave.

The Muslims you link are a bit encouraging but far, far from the mainstream of American influence. The only Muslim group that our major media (lamestream media; thank you very much) supplicates to is CAIR. Do you want to defend the works and policy points of the most influential group of Muslims in our country, who's leaders have even been feted by the Obama Administration.

You pick obscure representatives of the Muslim community to represent your view that American Muslims are the same as you and me, and then you use obscure Christian representatives to "advance" your view that Christianity does indeed promote violence.

I may be reading a little too much into what you doing here, but I don't think by a lot.

Islam is the biggest threat to the safety of freedom loving peoples on the globe. We can ignore it at our peril.

Remember the bullies in school. Did ignoring them or placating them diminish the bullied's problems, or escalate the abuse? Think about it.

Richie: I'll certainly agree with you that *overseas* Islam may be the greatest threat to freedom. But the links I provided showed a *nationwide* poll of American Muslims disavowing violence - IN SOME CASES THEY WERE THE MOST ANTI-VIOLENCE OF *ANY* MAJOR RELIGION.

Now I'll ask you - and to be honest I think you might agree with me here - why do you think that Islam is such a threat overseas? In my opinion, it's something I noticed in the 1980s when Beirut was turning into rubble. I forget who it was who authored the article I was reading back then but the gist was as follows.

"Over there", there's nothing BUT religion. There's nothing to take people's minds off of it. There's no economic success. There's no hope for class mobility. It's as though things are so destitute elsewhere that people have "given up" on this life and figure there's nothing to live for except the next one. Radical clerics seize on this, just like cult leaders in this country prey on the lonely and disaffected.

In today's terms, it's why Europe, by and large, doesn't have a problem with religion *except from recent immigrants* who still seem to have the "old" mindset.

It would also be a good argument as to what REALLY solved the Irish "troubles". The "Celtic Tiger" boom years seemed to coincide with agreements being signed to settle the violence. Only when the economy tanked did some rumblings come up again (I was in Ireland on our honeymoon when they went through their teeth-gnashing over what the bank bailouts would be in 2010 and I was reading about this in their newspapers)

So, Richie, I think I can find the following common ground with you. For one, keep the f'ing radical clerics *OUT*. They can keep their "live for death" mantra back in the catboxes where they came from. Secondly, economic freedom can cure religious fundamentalism - it's harder (though not impossible) to recruit people when they have a hopeful outlook.