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Guest 01-14-2016 07:25 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1168323)
I'm sure that it won't really be a problem, unless the hypocrite liberals want to make it so. After all, Obama was elected and the only person that brought it up about him being Kenyan in the beginning was Hillary. But, the Republicans do need to thin the herd.

By the way, Trump didn't bring the issue up. It was the liberal media that made an issue of it and asked Trump what he thought about it.
They asked McCain about it too, and he merely said "it's worth looking into."

The media brings something up, by asking leading questions and then they try to make it look like an attack from the interviewee. I am sure that now that THEY have made an issue of it, it will become a big issue.

This is just SICK and revisionist history. Do I need post the link to Ted Cruz's father saying "Send Obama back to Kenya".

A majority of the Republican party believed Obama in not a American because he was born in Kenya. Even today 30% of the Republican party believes he wasn't born in the US and therefore NOT American. Don't you remember the poor little old lady who told McCain that Obama was a Muslim at least McCain had the character to tell her the truth.

Now that the table is turned suddenly is ok to be born outside the United States and be President. And its ok that his father was a communist and fought with Castro. Can you image what would be going on if a Democrat was running this that background.

Even today 29% of Republican believe Obama was born in the US and 40% of these same people say Cruz was born in the USA when he was born in CANADA.

Shock Poll: Only 29% Of Republicans Said Obama Was Born In USA; 40% Said Cruz Born In USA - Birther Report

The entire Republican party are just hypocrites!!! Own it......

Guest 01-14-2016 07:32 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171335)
8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

According to this, Cruz is considered a Natural born citizen.

I find it funny that this issue has only come up in regard to Republican candidates, Goldwater, McCain and now Cruz. But the difference is both Goldwater and McCain were born in a US territory. Goldwater before AZ became a state and McCain on a base in Panama. However Ted Cruz was born in a foreign country that being Canada.

The founding fathers wanted to ensure someone would not be born outside the US and become the President so they said Natural Born Citizen.

Sounds like Ted Cruz's birth is what the Founding Fathers were worried about.

Guest 01-14-2016 07:47 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171349)
This is just SICK and revisionist history. Do I need post the link to Ted Cruz's father saying "Send Obama back to Kenya".

A majority of the Republican party believed Obama in not a American because he was born in Kenya. Even today 30% of the Republican party believes he wasn't born in the US and therefore NOT American. Don't you remember the poor little old lady who told McCain that Obama was a Muslim at least McCain had the character to tell her the truth.

Now that the table is turned suddenly is ok to be born outside the United States and be President. And its ok that his father was a communist and fought with Castro. Can you image what would be going on if a Democrat was running this that background.

Even today 29% of Republican believe Obama was born in the US and 40% of these same people say Cruz was born in the USA when he was born in CANADA.

Shock Poll: Only 29% Of Republicans Said Obama Was Born In USA; 40% Said Cruz Born In USA - Birther Report

The entire Republican party are just hypocrites!!! Own it......

You really need to work on your anger issues. If you are responding to my comment above, why do you assume that I am one of the "birthers?" Isn't it kind of a moot point to bring up the inept Obama in this debate? After all, you got what you wanted, so surely you aren't crying about it, are you? I am not a birther, but I did question Oblama's qualifications to lead. I still am, even though the damage is already done. Hopefully, the GOP can correct the damage. Thank goodness America is pretty durable and can survive Obummer's attempt to destroy it......so far. Obama did have a lot of secrets in his past, some of which are just now being revealed. I am still not sure of his parentage. His claimed father was married to another woman, so he turns out to be a *******...not that this matters. There is some confusion over his secret travels to the middle East, earlier in life, his close association with neferious persons, such as the domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers and Rev Wright, and the possibility that Frank M. Davis (member of Communist USA) is his real father. Then there is the problem of his persistent abuse of drugs throughout his childhood, through college. Just a few problems that come up when looking into his past. Stuff that normally would be vetted during his campaign that was off limits on him because of his ethnicity, I guess. All this stuff is moot now, and is nothing more than curiosity.

Cruz should be vetted, as well as the rest of the candidates. We should know everything about them, unlike the previous two Pres. elections.

Guest 01-14-2016 09:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171356)
You really need to work on your anger issues. If you are responding to my comment above, why do you assume that I am one of the "birthers?" Isn't it kind of a moot point to bring up the inept Obama in this debate? After all, you got what you wanted, so surely you aren't crying about it, are you? I am not a birther, but I did question Oblama's qualifications to lead. I still am, even though the damage is already done. Hopefully, the GOP can correct the damage. Thank goodness America is pretty durable and can survive Obummer's attempt to destroy it......so far. Obama did have a lot of secrets in his past, some of which are just now being revealed. I am still not sure of his parentage. His claimed father was married to another woman, so he turns out to be a *******...not that this matters. There is some confusion over his secret travels to the middle East, earlier in life, his close association with neferious persons, such as the domestic terrorist, Bill Ayers and Rev Wright, and the possibility that Frank M. Davis (member of Communist USA) is his real father. Then there is the problem of his persistent abuse of drugs throughout his childhood, through college. Just a few problems that come up when looking into his past. Stuff that normally would be vetted during his campaign that was off limits on him because of his ethnicity, I guess. All this stuff is moot now, and is nothing more than curiosity.

Cruz should be vetted, as well as the rest of the candidates. We should know everything about them, unlike the previous two Pres. elections.

I am just sitting her quietly typing the truth, there was NO nastiness in that post just that facts.

No anger issues here this fine morning.

But your diatribe in about Obama highlights some anger issues! You might want to look into that. Have a great day.

Guest 01-14-2016 10:11 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171406)
I am just sitting her quietly typing the truth, there was NO nastiness in that post just that facts.

No anger issues here this fine morning.

But your diatribe in about Obama highlights some anger issues! You might want to look into that. Have a great day.

In that case, you might want to get your "facts" straight. You brought up the Obama birther issue, not me. So, your attempt to divert is pathetic.

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

Guest 01-14-2016 02:56 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171440)
In that case, you might want to get your "facts" straight. You brought up the Obama birther issue, not me. So, your attempt to divert is pathetic.

8 U.S. Code § 1401 - Nationals and citizens of United States at birth

As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

Guest 01-14-2016 03:01 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171574)
As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

How convenient to have varying degrees of communism to suit one's agenda.

A communinist is a communist.

Nice try!

Guest 01-14-2016 03:06 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171574)
As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

You make much todo about nothing. You do have a comprehension problem, don't you? The comment was pro-vetting of the candidate. You have a need to argue so much that you read it in a skewed manner in order to spew acid on nothing. I believe the point was that NO ONE should be exempt from vetting. But, rant away good buddy. It is interesting to see you slashing at air with your fantasy sword. Entertainment at least....:crap2:

"Unarmed?" Please let me know why anyone would need arm themselves to obliterate you...ha,ha....:mademyday:

Guest 01-14-2016 03:13 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171574)
As you should by now know this issue has never be reviewed by the courts and in no way settled law. To clear this up it should be.

I also find it funny you claim Obama had an alternate father who just happens to be a communist...but to what end? You think it is bad to have a communist as a father? If so you won't be voting for Cruz cause his actual father fought with Castro....while Obama communist was just a friend of his grandfather.

Nice try but you are unarmed!!!!!

Just a friend? That's rather delightful! Have you ever compared a young photo of Frank Marshall Davis with Obama? Now, compare Obama with his supposed father. Not that it matters, but it is interesting. And it is also funny that Frank Davis was having an affair with Obama's mother since she was 14 years old. I'm sure it is all speculation, but it is interesting. After all, Obama has never been forthcoming with any of his past, other than a book that someone else wrote for him....with his input of course. But, I digress. After all one's communist is another's mentor, right?

Guest 01-14-2016 03:37 PM

President Obama was born in Hawaii, which last time I looked, is part of the U.S. Why is that still a problem for you folks? Duh.

Guest 01-14-2016 03:43 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171606)
President Obama was born in Hawaii, which last time I looked, is part of the U.S. Why is that still a problem for you folks? Duh.

Obviously, you do not understand the Tea Bag Party's "Theory of Backward Time Travel".

It is similar to String Theory but they use spit and baling wire. :thumbup:

Guest 01-14-2016 04:22 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171606)
President Obama was born in Hawaii, which last time I looked, is part of the U.S. Why is that still a problem for you folks? Duh.

Was there a comment on here regarding him NOT being born in America? Other than yours, I mean? Wonder who has the problem.

Pretty neat that you liberals are attempting to unwittingly defend Cruz. I have been saying that vetting is a good thing, and you all are still trying to defend Oblama, and inadvertently defending Cruz. :BigApplause:

Guest 01-14-2016 05:17 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171581)
How convenient to have varying degrees of communism to suit one's agenda.

A communinist is a communist.

Nice try!

I think a Communist is a Communist as well never said I didn't.

Let me get this straight.....

Obama was born in Hawaii, but the Republican's think he was born in Kenya which makes him not an American to, at one time a majority of Republicans. His father, Obama Sr. wasn't a communist but now there is a theory that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's real father and he is a Communist who worked for the FBI.

To compare things

If Obama is Obama Sr's son and born in Kenya then he is a natural born citizen but wasn't raised by a Communist.

If Obama is Davis's son and born in Hawaii then he was born on American soil and therefore a natural born citizen but still not raised by a Communist.

Now Ted was actually born in Canada and raised by a Communist who fought with Castro in Cuba.

Have I gotten this right....

So you aren't going to vote for someone who was raised by a Communist cause that's bad. I know I'm not going to vote for someone raised by a Communist.

I couldn't make this up if I tired....but I googled it! You people have more wacky theories that Carter has little liver pills.

Just have to laugh!

Guest 01-14-2016 05:21 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171591)
Just a friend? That's rather delightful! Have you ever compared a young photo of Frank Marshall Davis with Obama? Now, compare Obama with his supposed father. Not that it matters, but it is interesting. And it is also funny that Frank Davis was having an affair with Obama's mother since she was 14 years old. I'm sure it is all speculation, but it is interesting. After all, Obama has never been forthcoming with any of his past, other than a book that someone else wrote for him....with his input of course. But, I digress. After all one's communist is another's mentor, right?

Got a DNA test?

Guest 01-14-2016 05:31 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171648)
I think a Communist is a Communist as well never said I didn't.

Let me get this straight.....

Obama was born in Hawaii, but the Republican's think he was born in Kenya which makes him not an American to, at one time a majority of Republicans. His father, Obama Sr. wasn't a communist but now there is a theory that Frank Marshall Davis is Obama's real father and he is a Communist who worked for the FBI.

To compare things

If Obama is Obama Sr's son and born in Kenya then he is a natural born citizen but wasn't raised by a Communist.

If Obama is Davis's son and born in Hawaii then he was born on American soil and therefore a natural born citizen but still not raised by a Communist.

Now Ted was actually born in Canada and raised by a Communist who fought with Castro in Cuba.

Have I gotten this right....

So you aren't going to vote for someone who was raised by a Communist cause that's bad. I know I'm not going to vote for someone raised by a Communist.

I couldn't make this up if I tired....but I googled it! You people have more wacky theories that Carter has little liver pills.

Just have to laugh!

Did I miss where someone on here said Obie was born in Africa? I mean, other than you? Do you really think that by accusing the posters on here of saying something that they didn't say is going to put them on the defensive. Not even a good try. Better retire from this while you can still salvage some of your humility. You seem to be very confused. I never said Obummer was NOT born in America. I consider it to be a moot point considering the point that his second term has almost expired. I said that every candidate should be thoroughly vetted, unlike Obama. When Obama was elected, no one knew anything about him. He didn't even have a resume'. I am very much for a thorough background investigation of all candidates for the most important position in the world. And so far, as much as we know about Hillary, she wouldn't even be granted a security clearance with the civil service, so I would not waste your time vetting her. I wouldn't even allow her on the ballot.


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