Do you? Other than word of mouth, Obie's mother, is there any proof who his father is? Does it matter? I think it is hilarious that he may not even know himself, and he may have perpetrated the greatest joke in history. But, I don't care now. I was just using him as an example of the need for vetting Cruz and all the other candidates. Make them all take polygraph tests and drug test too. I had to have periodic polygraph and drug tests when I had a security clearance. The top position in the world should require the best security, right?
But, I realize that liberals don't care about national security, and think it's a joke.

I find it funny you seem to have amnesia about the birther movement of which Mr. Trump was a part. Someone on this site is posting about Obama actually being fathered by Frank Davis.....

Not sure what you mean about Obama not being vetted....

I believe that the issue of Ted Cruz's birthplace and the meaning of natural born citizen should be looked at by the courts.

Trump didn't speak for all Republicans. Funny how you backpedal, do the moonwalk when I asked you where in this thread did someone suggest that Obama was not born in America. But, no use beating a dead horse.

It is hypocritical that liberals suddenly want vetting when they didn't care to know ANYTHING about Obama. Makes your comment kind of disingenuous to say the least. But, I do believe EVERYONE should be vetted, just as if they were applying for a job requiring a security clearance After all, the job allows them the ultimate clearance and that is important if they are going to protect our national security.

And national security is the only real mandate of the Constitution, and we already know how Hillary feels about it. She could care less, and does not take it seriously.

You throw the liberal card but know nothing about me. Not everyone to the left of you is a liberal. I didn't call you a right wing nut did I?

Just cause something in this thread didn't say Obama wasn't born in the USA its not all about this thread. 30% of Repub.'s still think he isn't an American cause he was born in Kenya.

I think Trump is speaking for a large number of Republicans now and was then as a polls showed during that time. Can't change history.

So let's settle this in the courts.

It was reported that Hillary Clinton's camp was the one that questioned Obama's birthplace. Obama produced his Hawaiian birth certificate prior to the 2008 election. Prior to election, it was known that Obama was a natural born citizen. So, where did you get the idea that liberals didn't care to know anything about Obama prior to the 2008 election?

Hillary Clinton did. If your statement is correct, Hillary isn't a liberal.

I think that you are wrong. Trump thinks that he can history. After all according to him, he is never wrong. He is just being Mr. Goodguy in offering Cruz advice on how to proceed with the natural born citizen question. Trump doesn't have anything to gain by this. He wouldn't even think of making this an issue. He only brought it up to help Cruz. Why would anyone think any differently.

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We agree. First, again to the citizenship issue my concern is a) it keeps cropping up b) Cruz only gave up his Canadian citizenship in 2014 c) this issue will dog him from here on out. So Trump is wise to suggest to Cruz that he seek a Declaratory Judgment. The Supreme Court won't take up the issue but they ought to because it needs to be looked at again. In my world a presidential candidate should have been born in America to parents who were born in America but that's me and I clearly one could argue that it is not necessary

As to Cruz himself he is too divisive, he appears to me to be too slick and hence not sincere which leads to unpredictability. So what this guy says and what he does compared to other candidates is a real issue for me and I have already eliminated him.

It is indeed troubling that this country cannot muster a better crop of candidates from either party. Its indeed troubling that past events have created a Trump, Cruz mania Too many voters are not being rationale...cooler heads prevail which leaves Rubio, Christie, Bush, Carson because they are more cerebral . I am leaning toward Rubio?

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Citizenship is suddenly an issue again. Liberals are concerned, ha,ha. They do not care about illegals having drivers licenses, health care, good employment, public schooling, and they especially like the idea of the illegal vote. But, they are concerned about Cruz's citizenship. Well, I didn't care about Obama's citizenship and I don't care about Cruz. I have no intention of voting for him, so it's a moot point. I agree with the post above that Cruz is too slick and appears not to be sincere. To me, he appears to be fake. Maybe that is just the way he always has been. I don't know, but there are too many good candidates to chose from to have to settle on one that I don't care for.
But, no matter what his faults, Cruz is a hundred times better than taking a chance on Hillary. If Hillary abandons her people overseas, then would anyone want her commanding the military?
Since the Obama/Hillary 8 years, we have more countries against us, less working with us. We have more fighting, we have more racism, we have more poverty, we have higher health care costs, and less world wide respect. Did I mention that we gave away the farm with our so-called Iran deal? This has been a pathetic and weak two pres. terms for America. Time for some positive change.

The WH and congress and supreme court need a good old fashioned political enema!

What they really need is a contract with Terminix to get rid of unwanted insects and rodents. :highfive:

So because it's not testimony you can lie to make a point? It seems your ashamed of your "source."

"Lie?" What lie? No, a lie is like Harry Reid telling the world that Romney did not pay his taxes. That was a lie, a blatant lie. No, my information has not been verified by more than one source. The reason I did not consider the source to be a credible source is because that source was from Hillary's staff. I don't give much credibility to any liberal. How can you trust a party that lies like Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Reid? Please don't ask me to make a list of lies. It would entail so much typing, just listing Obama's or Hillary's lies.

Why do you always throw the liberal card I am hardly a liberal, I'll even bet I am to the right of you on immigration.

Some crackpot in 2008 makes up a theory that Obama's real father is Davis....you might believe in crackpot theories but I don't.

I do know at least one liberal who believes in National Security and he is a Captain in the US Army! I also believe in National Security however I don't believe in starting wars with a country who did NOT attack us.

The way I see it, is if it quacks like a duck, walks like a dug.....

Why deny it if it suits you? You are allowed your opinion on here. Obama hasn't taken your opinion away yet. Of course, they are trying to pass a law against hate speech, so no telling how they will define that. If there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, then embrace it. Don't hide it. Come out of the closet with Hillary and Sanders and their embracing of socialism.

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Did you watch the debate, they were all accusing the other of lying, boy did Rubio take it to Rafael.