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Guest 01-15-2016 11:54 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1168357)
Normally, I would consider his being born in Canada an issue, but after Obama, not so much. I am not really concerned anyway, as Rubio is coming up in the polls and will probably get my vote. I have evaluated all the candidates and found that even though I am not totally enamored with him, Rubio appears to be the most viable choice. My opinion. Before everyone starts telling me all the negatives about him, I already know them. There is NO perfect candidate on either side, but he is currently my choice. And he is polled as the one that most easily beats Hillary.

Speaking of Hillary, she seems to be suffering/hiding some serious health issues. It looks like her past head injury is still causing her some problems. It has been reported that she is consistently dizzy, pale and clammy looking (worst than usual) and has to be supported behind the scenes to keep her from collapsing. Since my information source is not from a liberal media source, i won't attempt to link my sources. I really don't care whether or not some liberal discounts my comment. This is conversation, not testimony.

So because it's not testimony you can lie to make a point? It seems your ashamed of your "source."

Guest 01-15-2016 12:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171926)
So because it's not testimony you can lie to make a point? It seems your ashamed of your "source."

"Lie?" What lie? No, a lie is like Harry Reid telling the world that Romney did not pay his taxes. That was a lie, a blatant lie. No, my information has not been verified by more than one source. The reason I did not consider the source to be a credible source is because that source was from Hillary's staff. I don't give much credibility to any liberal. How can you trust a party that lies like Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Reid? Please don't ask me to make a list of lies. It would entail so much typing, just listing Obama's or Hillary's lies.

Guest 01-15-2016 01:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171659)
Do you? Other than word of mouth, Obie's mother, is there any proof who his father is? Does it matter? I think it is hilarious that he may not even know himself, and he may have perpetrated the greatest joke in history. But, I don't care now. I was just using him as an example of the need for vetting Cruz and all the other candidates. Make them all take polygraph tests and drug test too. I had to have periodic polygraph and drug tests when I had a security clearance. The top position in the world should require the best security, right?
But, I realize that liberals don't care about national security, and think it's a joke.

Why do you always throw the liberal card I am hardly a liberal, I'll even bet I am to the right of you on immigration.

Some crackpot in 2008 makes up a theory that Obama's real father is Davis....you might believe in crackpot theories but I don't.

I do know at least one liberal who believes in National Security and he is a Captain in the US Army! I also believe in National Security however I don't believe in starting wars with a country who did NOT attack us.

Guest 01-15-2016 02:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171968)
Why do you always throw the liberal card I am hardly a liberal, I'll even bet I am to the right of you on immigration.

Some crackpot in 2008 makes up a theory that Obama's real father is Davis....you might believe in crackpot theories but I don't.

I do know at least one liberal who believes in National Security and he is a Captain in the US Army! I also believe in National Security however I don't believe in starting wars with a country who did NOT attack us.

The way I see it, is if it quacks like a duck, walks like a dug.....

Why deny it if it suits you? You are allowed your opinion on here. Obama hasn't taken your opinion away yet. Of course, they are trying to pass a law against hate speech, so no telling how they will define that. If there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, then embrace it. Don't hide it. Come out of the closet with Hillary and Sanders and their embracing of socialism.

Guest 01-15-2016 02:29 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171933)
"Lie?" What lie? No, a lie is like Harry Reid telling the world that Romney did not pay his taxes. That was a lie, a blatant lie. No, my information has not been verified by more than one source. The reason I did not consider the source to be a credible source is because that source was from Hillary's staff. I don't give much credibility to any liberal. How can you trust a party that lies like Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Reid? Please don't ask me to make a list of lies. It would entail so much typing, just listing Obama's or Hillary's lies.

Did you watch the debate, they were all accusing the other of lying, boy did Rubio take it to Rafael.

Guest 01-15-2016 03:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171981)
The way I see it, is if it quacks like a duck, walks like a dug.....

Why deny it if it suits you? You are allowed your opinion on here. Obama hasn't taken your opinion away yet. Of course, they are trying to pass a law against hate speech, so no telling how they will define that. If there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, then embrace it. Don't hide it. Come out of the closet with Hillary and Sanders and their embracing of socialism.

You might want to check your spelling.... Its a bit obtuse the hate speech thing not sure what you mean but perhaps you are referencing micro aggression which, to date, only at college's and universities. I have posted my opposition to this as I think now the underclasses are equal they have come with this BS.

I embrace socialism mainly because, I am on Medicare and I take a Social Security check. We both know those are socialist programs. So if you do the same you will embrace your socialist side as will. Own it!

Guest 01-15-2016 03:38 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171981)
The way I see it, is if it quacks like a duck, walks like a dug.....

Why deny it if it suits you? You are allowed your opinion on here. Obama hasn't taken your opinion away yet. Of course, they are trying to pass a law against hate speech, so no telling how they will define that. If there is nothing wrong with being a liberal, then embrace it. Don't hide it. Come out of the closet with Hillary and Sanders and their embracing of socialism.

Lie as much as you want and we are sure that is how you raised your children and are passing it on to your grandkids.

You passed your hatred of ethnic and diverse groups on to your kids and grandkids, too, we are sure. Perpetuate the divides in the country instead of being a good American. Be ashamed of yourself.

Guest 01-15-2016 03:49 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172011)
Lie as much as you want and we are sure that is how you raised your children and are passing it on to your grandkids.

You passed your hatred of ethnic and diverse groups on to your kids and grandkids, too, we are sure. Perpetuate the divides in the country instead of being a good American. Be ashamed of yourself.

Now this is funny.......if you only knew. I have no kids nor grand kids

True I don't believe the micro aggression thing now you throw the racist card.

I have nothing to be ashamed of.....back at ya!

Guest 01-15-2016 03:53 PM

See what you all think about micro aggressions...

http://www.ucop.edu/academic-personn...ggressions.pdf

Laughable........

Guest 01-15-2016 04:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172015)
Now this is funny.......if you only knew. I have no kids nor grandkids.

Good to know.

Guest 01-15-2016 04:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172006)
You might want to check your spelling.... Its a bit obtuse the hate speech thing not sure what you mean but perhaps you are referencing micro aggression which, to date, only at college's and universities. I have posted my opposition to this as I think now the underclasses are equal they have come with this BS.

I embrace socialism mainly because, I am on Medicare and I take a Social Security check. We both know those are socialist programs. So if you do the same you will embrace your socialist side as will. Own it!

That's what I enjoy about liberals, ignorance of current events. Surely you are joking about not knowing that congress was trying to pass a hate speech bill. Not that it would ever get passed, but stuff like that just proves that liberals are a joke, even to themselves. They really take stuff like that seriously.

Nope, I don't use Medicare. I only have Medicare A because I pay for the full service Blue Cross/BS and they pay the whole shebang. Medicare is a scam anyway. You pay all your working life, maybe 35-45 years and then when you reach 65 you get hospitalization only, unless you wish to pay another $105 month or more for Medicare B.
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme where the gov is Bernie, using your money frivolously. I did better with my investments, using less money. Too bad the gov is such bad business managers. Well, maybe Trump will change that.

So nice to see you embrace socialism though. At least you are a liberal that admits it. I respect that. Just like Bernie Sanders. Only Bernie is a closet communist, not just a socialist.

Don't worry about the spelling, unless it makes you feel good to one-up me for some egotistical reason. Sometimes the brain works faster than the typing. I don't bother to go back and edit my comments. I'm retired and not concerned about PC. or how my PC operates either. I can always build another one if this one goes under. Never mind, that was just a play on terms, I guess.

Don't be ashamed of being a socialist. I am not ashamed of being called a Republican or conservative. And anyone thinking that calling us Tea Party members is a slur, just doesn't understand that it's not a slure but a compliment. It's the same as being called a Patirot. Something that liberals never get accused of being. :D

Guest 01-15-2016 04:23 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171991)
Did you watch the debate, they were all accusing the other of lying, boy did Rubio take it to Rafael.

Yep, that's true. I have to respect their honesty. Unlike the Socialist debate where Hillary was being coronated and they were all trying to out-socialist each other. Never thought I would see the day when socialism would be encouraged in America and even televised. But, it takes all kinds of weirdos.

Yep, they accused each other of all kinds of things. Made it a good debate, unlike the snoozer of the lefties. And the interesting part was that they all talked about national security and patriotism, unlike the lefties trying to promise free college for votes, gun control instead of fighting terrorists. Promising to negotiate with terrorists and enemy countries so that they wouldn't attack us. And praising Obama's leading from behind. I am surprised that Hillary would want to take a rear seat to anyone. :D

Guest 01-16-2016 06:14 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172031)
That's what I enjoy about liberals, ignorance of current events. Surely you are joking about not knowing that congress was trying to pass a hate speech bill. Not that it would ever get passed, but stuff like that just proves that liberals are a joke, even to themselves. They really take stuff like that seriously.

Nope, I don't use Medicare. I only have Medicare A because I pay for the full service Blue Cross/BS and they pay the whole shebang. Medicare is a scam anyway. You pay all your working life, maybe 35-45 years and then when you reach 65 you get hospitalization only, unless you wish to pay another $105 month or more for Medicare B.
Social Security is a Ponzi scheme where the gov is Bernie, using your money frivolously. I did better with my investments, using less money. Too bad the gov is such bad business managers. Well, maybe Trump will change that.

So nice to see you embrace socialism though. At least you are a liberal that admits it. I respect that. Just like Bernie Sanders. Only Bernie is a closet communist, not just a socialist.

Don't worry about the spelling, unless it makes you feel good to one-up me for some egotistical reason. Sometimes the brain works faster than the typing. I don't bother to go back and edit my comments. I'm retired and not concerned about PC. or how my PC operates either. I can always build another one if this one goes under. Never mind, that was just a play on terms, I guess.

Don't be ashamed of being a socialist. I am not ashamed of being called a Republican or conservative. And anyone thinking that calling us Tea Party members is a slur, just doesn't understand that it's not a slure but a compliment. It's the same as being called a Patirot. Something that liberals never get accused of being. :D

You can refuse medicare, why don't you? You are a fake! You should not use something that is a socialist program. Patriot, have you looked up the definition? You do not meet it.

Guest 01-16-2016 06:45 AM

Patriot, no. Moron, yes.

Guest 01-16-2016 06:51 AM

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You can refuse medicare, why don't you? You are a fake! You should not use something that is a socialist program. Patriot, have you looked up the definition? You do not meet it.

Would you like to compare patriot traits? I'll bet mine over yours any day. My service for my country speaks for itself, and I am willing to bet that all you are is mouth without merit. I'm sure that I exceed any definition of patriot you can find on the Internet....if you weren't so lazy. But, I also realize that you are just a baiting troll, and I shouldn't even be responding to you. Most idiots like you will leave disappointed if no one gives them the attention they crave.

"A fake?" I believe we know who the fake is little boy. Anyone that reads your little comments on here, knows that you are a little kid taunting the adults to get the attention your momma won't give to you.

Guest 01-16-2016 06:58 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172165)
You can refuse medicare, why don't you? You are a fake! You should not use something that is a socialist program. Patriot, have you looked up the definition? You do not meet it.

I paid for medicare and don't use it. Don't need it. You'll understand IF/when you start working for a living. The gov forced me to pay for it, so that the unmotivated like you would have the medical/mental assistance that you need. It is obvious that you are either too young to understand or mentally retarded. Or, maybe both.

Guest 01-16-2016 09:58 AM

Someday some on this forum will understand that when you pay into or for something and then take back from what was paid in...that is not a social program.

The democrats have however bastardized both social security and medicare by allowing those who have not contributed one single dime to collect from the same pool of benefits. That would not be socialism....it is just plain stupidity while protecting and or buying a block of votes.

Maybe those who call them social programs are recipient, non contributors and are brainwashed.

Guest 01-16-2016 12:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172277)
Someday some on this forum will understand that when you pay into or for something and then take back from what was paid in...that is not a social program.

The democrats have however bastardized both social security and medicare by allowing those who have not contributed one single dime to collect from the same pool of benefits. That would not be socialism....it is just plain stupidity while protecting and or buying a block of votes.

Maybe those who call them social programs are recipient, non contributors and are brainwashed.

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Guest 01-16-2016 01:15 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172015)
Now this is funny.......if you only knew. I have no kids nor grand kids

True I don't believe the micro aggression thing now you throw the racist card.

I have nothing to be ashamed of.....back at ya!

I didn't believe in trigger warnings or micro-aggressions until my wife start watching The View, The Talk and TMZ. Now I run a sprint just to get out of the room before they start talking

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Guest 01-16-2016 01:18 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1171933)
"Lie?" What lie? No, a lie is like Harry Reid telling the world that Romney did not pay his taxes. That was a lie, a blatant lie. No, my information has not been verified by more than one source. The reason I did not consider the source to be a credible source is because that source was from Hillary's staff. I don't give much credibility to any liberal. How can you trust a party that lies like Obama, Hillary, Pelosi and Reid? Please don't ask me to make a list of lies. It would entail so much typing, just listing Obama's or Hillary's lies.

And to underscore his pride Reid not only admitted it he patted himself on the back Progressive have no shame because the poltical ones seem to have lost their souls

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Guest 01-16-2016 01:42 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172372)
And to underscore his pride Reid not only admitted it he patted himself on the back Progressive have no shame because the poltical ones seem to have lost their souls

Personal Best Regards:

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Guest 01-16-2016 08:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172015)
Now this is funny.......if you only knew. I have no kids nor grand kids

True I don't believe the micro aggression thing now you throw the racist card.

I have nothing to be ashamed of.....back at ya!

You should have been aborted.

Guest 01-16-2016 11:00 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172557)
You should have been aborted.

Really Nice....you sicko!!!!

Irish Catholic family....1 of 9.

Guest 01-16-2016 11:30 PM

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You should have been aborted.

Geez I didn't think you right wing types supported abortion.....

Guest 01-16-2016 11:34 PM

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You should have been aborted.

OMG..... I think we might have an actual micro aggression statement here.

Much more direct than the ones listed.

Guest 01-17-2016 07:26 AM

I thought that subject was Cruz's citizenship, not abortion. I can't see the correlation.

Guest 01-17-2016 07:49 AM

Cruz's parents were registered to vote in Canada, therefore he was not a natural born citizen. Until recently he had citizenship there. Case closed.

Guest 01-17-2016 07:53 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172732)
Cruz's parents were registered to vote in Canada, therefore he was not a natural born citizen. Until recently he had citizenship there. Case closed.

That is questionable and a decision for the courts, if needed. Clinton gave up his citizenship when he dodged the draft and ran to the UK for college. That didn't stop him from running for president.

If Cruz's mother was American, then he is American by birth right. WE have children born overseas all the time by military families. Are you going to suggest that they are NOT Americans?

Guest 01-17-2016 02:16 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172723)
I thought that subject was Cruz's citizenship, not abortion. I can't see the correlation.

Never can I but someone told me my parents should have aborted me!

Never saw that coming.

Guest 01-17-2016 02:30 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172735)
That is questionable and a decision for the courts, if needed.

If Cruz's mother was American, then he is American by birth right. WE have children born overseas all the time by military families. Are you going to suggest that they are NOT Americans?

IF Cruz's mother and father were both registered to vote in Canada, he is not eligible to be President.

That would mean that the mother was a Canadian citizen when he was born and we know the father was Cuban.

No problem with children of military being born in foreign countries since the parents - or at least one of them is an American citizen.

However, is it a fact that his mother was a registered Canadian voter? Big IF.

Guest 01-17-2016 02:40 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1173094)
IF Cruz's mother and father were both registered to vote in Canada, he is not eligible to be President.

That would mean that the mother was a Canadian citizen when he was born and we know the father was Cuban.

No problem with children of military being born in foreign countries since the parents - or at least one of them is an American citizen.

However, is it a fact that his mother was a registered Canadian voter? Big IF.

Did the mother give up her American citizenship? I know a few people who carry dual citizenship.

Guest 01-17-2016 02:41 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172735)
That is questionable and a decision for the courts, if needed. Clinton gave up his citizenship when he dodged the draft and ran to the UK for college. That didn't stop him from running for president.

If Cruz's mother was American, then he is American by birth right. WE have children born overseas all the time by military families. Are you going to suggest that they are NOT Americans?

Bill Clinton did not give up his citizenship. What a moronic statement.

Guest 01-17-2016 02:41 PM

It's legal in America to maintain dual citizenship.

Guest 01-17-2016 03:04 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1173103)
It's legal in America to maintain dual citizenship.

Yes, like Cruz had with US and Canada. But was he eligible to vote in both countries? I don't think so.

Mrs. Cruz - his mom - was born in Delaware. Moved to Canada. Obviously registered to vote in Canada. Did she renounce US citizenship when she registered to vote in Canada? That is what US courts must decide!! Quickly!!!

Guest 01-17-2016 03:14 PM

I don't think Cruz is a Muslim, and we are not at war with Canada. Just being snide.

If Cruz's mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of his birth, it does not matter if she later became a Canadian citizen, he would still be a natural citizen.

Guest 01-17-2016 03:39 PM

I hate to take the wind away from the nay sayers, but just read the following report from harvard (I assume that source will stand the caustic assessments):

On the Meaning of

Guest 01-17-2016 04:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1172735)
That is questionable and a decision for the courts, if needed. Clinton gave up his citizenship when he dodged the draft and ran to the UK for college. That didn't stop him from running for president.

If Cruz's mother was American, then he is American by birth right. WE have children born overseas all the time by military families. Are you going to suggest that they are NOT Americans?

Cruz's mother and father were registered to vote in Canada making Canada their chosen country. Kruz was then born. making him a Canadian by birth. He is a US citizen, but not by birth. Birth of children out of the country are okay because their military family's are US citizens. There is even more to this.

Guest 01-17-2016 04:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1173139)
I hate to take the wind away from the nay sayers, but just read the following report from harvard (I assume that source will stand the caustic assessments):

On the Meaning of

Looks like it.

Guest 01-17-2016 04:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1173139)
I hate to take the wind away from the nay sayers, but just read the following report from harvard (I assume that source will stand the caustic assessments):



On the Meaning of


Very interesting. Thank you!

Guest 01-17-2016 04:35 PM

This is not relevant, because Cruz is done. There is no way the republican establishment will let him win. One way or another they will torpedo him.


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