I was being a bit cynical... I believe that is the politically correct terminology/

My take on the entire thing at this point....

1. I am not one who is FOR torture, however, I think the days and years after 9/11 were unique and I also think this war is unique. I also would rather have my fellow americans alive and be critqued for harsh treatment than to have my fellow americans DEAD and be lauded as a wonderful country because we treated the killers in a kind way.

2. Not surprisingly, to me anyway, the administration has set the wheels in motion to "get the previous administration" and allow the President to "stay above the fray", which is so typical of what he does so adeptly and has done his entire career.

3. In reading the NY Times today on this subject, it was amazing how NO Democrats on the intelligence committe could recall, while hearing ABOUT the measures, ever being told they were actually being used.

4. As the current administration and congress goes about revenge, I do hope they remember my item #1. While they LEFT OUT OF THE RELEASED memos that very point, I hope the need for revenge of some sort does not out weigh everything else.

5. We are about to, if we stay on this path, witness each and every change of party in the WH and Congress have precedent to go back and get people from the previous administration.

All proof that nothing changes....same as usual in Wash Dc

I accept the terminology in a cynical fashion!!
 

I have no...none....niente....use for politically correct thinking hence it pulls my trigger every time.

Political correctness = licsence for NOT doing what is right or correct. Synonomous with copping out to not offend. It does not work as most know. And is totally ineffective.

Most decisions can be put into doing what is right or wrong, regardless the consequences...for those willing to stand and be counted.

BTK

And back to the original idea of this thread....

Those of you who posted your chagrin at the USA "torturing" or being mean to the killers we had at GTMO....

You ok with the drones killing innocent villagers in Afghanastan ? If so, how do you reconcile that ?

Waterboarding may be interrogation, 183 times is torture
 

I have to agree with Bucco on his point #1 and,

"Those of you who posted your chagrin at the USA "torturing" or being mean to the killers we had at GTMO....You ok with the drones killing innocent villagers in Afghanastan ? If so, how do you reconcile that ?"

In my first post, that WAS my point- there is a real moral difficulty with justifying drones and criticizing the Bush Adminstration's torture policies. I know we'll just disagree on this, but how can using an "enhanced" interrogation technique be said to work if it's used 183 times? Not twice, not a dozen, not 100 times. Either it didn't work, which is why they had to keep doing it in the hope of getting answers, or it did work, in which case it shouldn't have taken 183 times to get the answers they were looking for. It was torture, plain and simple.

If we had waterboarded Cheney or Rumsfeld, do you think it would have taken 183 times until they admitted that they cooked and cherry-picked their rationale for attacking Iraq? I doubt it, because their decision-making process had no morality in it when they equated 9/11 and Al Queda with Saadam's regime.

"If we had waterboarded Cheney or Rumsfeld, do you think it would have taken 183 times until they admitted that they cooked and cherry-picked their rationale for attacking Iraq? I doubt it, because their decision-making process had no morality in it when they equated 9/11 and Al Queda with Saadam's regime. "
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This is one of the cheapest shots I have ever seen on this board !!! You must be one angry dude...I said once before to you and will say it again....good luck !

It is my understanding that all of the techniques except for the bug were adjudicated not torture many years before 9/11. Other than for the lowest of political reasons, why are we trying to dig up trouble. With the exception of water boarding, these were part of my training and are today a part of prisoner survival training.
Just fool liberals starting trouble as usual.

Yoda

It is not reasonable to expect to reconcile
 

the killing of innocents in a war zone. The general public is so far removed from the realities of war to even have a notion of what is involved. The tactics and results can not be judged as if on a television show in a controlled environment.

The very reason the militants move in with the civilians is they know enough about the enemy...THAT WOULD BE US BY THE WAY...to take advantage of what they know they will have going for them.

I am not OK with the drones killing innocents...just like I am not OK with drunks and cell phone users on the highways killing innocents...like it or not there is collateral damage in a war. The technology has come a long way to allow minimizing it to a point. The drunks and cell phone killers of innocents are much higher in number yet we tolerate it happening. In fact we allow it to continue.

Remember we are a people now that will not tell our warriors to go in and win a war. we might hurt some feelings by doing so as a result the war(s) go on longer. The enemy plays with us on the battlefield and at home via the media and special interest groups.

To single out an incident and look for a reconciliation is not a reasonable notion. We would have never won the wars in our countries past with the outlook of the people in today's society.

If you haen't been there you can't reconcile/rationalize or make it go away....no more than we do the drunk and cell phone driver murderers!!!!!!!!!!!!!

BTK

I think I agree with you BTK.

What I was trying to do with this thread, and failed miserably, was to point out that the shock and dismay about the treatment of those prisoners in GTMO was and IS politically motivated. I was trying to show that those who have expresses such shock at this treatment simply accept the drone bombing and potential for killing of innocents.

I failed miserably at this try and will now slink away !!