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I always think there are 535 people in Washington DC who could change things by the weekend if they really wanted to.

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What I am trying to say, and I think I have been clear, is that it is foolish to judge history while it is happening. I thought the Truman reference might bring some perspective to this argument. Foolish me. And it would be equally wrong to note that Winston Churchill got voted out of office at the end of WWII. Yes, that would be just wrong.
As for the McClellan book, well a loving portrait doesn’t sell as well as a hit job. Just ask George Stephanopoulos what the Clintons think of his book.

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mcelheny, please check out your reference to Scott McClellan.* I believe I heard he was a registered Democrat and was originally hired by Bill Clinton.* When he went to work for Bush he probably changed parties.* Probably just makes us question Bush's judgement of people, but it does make more sense why he would write a book bashing him now.*

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I2ridehd,
I checked 3 sources and your info was not there. He worked for his Mom and they said he worked for President Bush as Governor of Texas. He was a loyal supporter of Bush for a long time. He was assistant to the press secretary and took over as one of 4 press secretaries for President Bush.
You might be right as people change their parties all the time. Hillary was a Republican.
By the way, I have been Republican all my life until now. The county I grew up in had no Democrats. :)

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I just searched for it as well and couldn't find it. I heard that on the radio the other day, but I must have missed something from the discussion. Looks like he has always worked for Bush. Again bad judgement of people by Bush.

I consider myself a conservative so I have voted for both parties depending on where I lived. In the late 70's in the South, you had to vote democrat to get a conservative and when I lived in Mass, it went back and forth as to who was the most conservative. King vs Volpe, King the democrat was far more conservative. This upcoming election I will stay home or just vote for the local elections as both candidates are way to liberal for me to support.

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You are such a gentleman to admit your last post is wrong. :)
Well you would of loved where I grew up In Allegany Co. in NY.
Rather than hijack this thread anymore....

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Just because it isn't a loving portrait doesn't mean it isn't true. I don't know if anyone read the book "Fiasco" about the military adventure in Iraq, but the book had made the case for much of what Mcclellan has written i.e. Mcclellan isn't the only one saying these things. So it just might be true......

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Look, I'm not saying that it isn't true. I was not there. I can only question the motives of the author. I am waiting for him to be asked why he published it this year and not aftter the President was out of office. Any answer other than, "Becuase I will sell more books in an election year", is disingenuous.

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Are you a mind reader??? Maybe you are all about making money but....for all the crap Scott is going to take for writing this book-no amount of money would be worth the bashing and character assisination to me. >:( Plus he is very bright with great career choices and a strong Republican family that are very rich in a Republican state. He is not hurting for money. Yes, I have pro Bush, oil rich friends in Texas. !!!
The pro Bush machine has tons and tons of very rich people. Many authors that are the far right and pro Bush--Why do they publish???? I just wish someone had taken on this adminstrartion before my newphew and thousands others lost their lives. ( Basically from the lower class)
You say many true things. I think we agree on this book.
Let the political spin continue but I doubt Scott did this for money. Don't worry- he will be pulled apart!!

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Interesting that publishing company that did his book is owned by George Soros.

The Soros-McClellan Connection
Wed, May 28, 2008 at 7:28:40 pm PST

The hat tip for this post goes to LGF reader John Williams in Texas.

The company that published Scott McClellan’s new Bush-bashing book is Public Affairs Books, and their Editor at Large is a guy named Peter Osnos: About The Century Foundation.

The owner of Public Affairs Books is a company called Perseus Book Group. Here’s their ownership tree: Perseus Books Home.

The firm is owned by Perseus Funds Group (holding company Perseus LLC), a capital management firm that grew from about $20 million in 1995 to over $2 billion now. Big infusions of cash seemed to help it grow exponentially, and it closed funds almost as fast as it opened them. The board has tons of liberals from the Clinton and Carter Administrations, with far-left credentials that almost put Osnos’ to shame. Their web site is here: PERSEUS - merchant bank and private equity fund management.

If you go to the New York Department of State web site and enter “Perseus” in the “Business Organization” search, you get this on page 2 of the results:

http://littlegreenfootballs.com/arti...lan_Connection

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Plus, what talk show is he going on next? Keith Oberman, for gosh shakes. That will be a love fest. Now if he has the guts to go on The Factor, I will give him some credit. As it is he is just (in my opinon) a disgruntled former employee who sees this as a way to cash in.
All right, if he is not in this for the quick buck, why didn't he do the right thing by publishing this book after the President is out of office?

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Of course the political spin has both sides... :agree:Gone on in politics forever! So what :dontknow:
You show what side your on. Scott showed what side he is on now!!!
The topic of this thread is-" Does anyone really think Bush is doing a good job?"- That argument could go on and on. You are entitled to what you think. I Don't Think Bush is Doing a Good Job in many many areas.
Scott McClellan had an inside connection and was once very loyal to Bush. He has seen things that have made him change his mind. The pro Bush people like you will attack him, attack him, attack him. I know your position and you know mine. :)
So have a nice day. :)

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How about Scott McClellan wrote the book to help keep us from making the same mistakes again. If we invade Iran because they are such a grave threat just to keep the money making war machine for oil & profit in high gear, when will we learn? Now is the time for making this country something we and the whole world can be proud of. America is tired of these corporate criminals.

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Junglejim,
Good post! :agree: :agree: :agree:

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i see this is an old topic but i agree with billiethekidd's most recent contribution.

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Mcelheny and Jungle Jim, great posts. I agree that McClellan's conscience is bothering him, and he wants the public to know what really goes on behind closed doors. Having worked in a state communications office, I can vouch for a lot of the salesmanship that goes on trying to put a positive spin on things so the public will be more likely to accept it.

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Does anyone think we would be better off if Al Gore would have won??? How scary is that thought?

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Yes, I for one think we would have been better off if Al Gore won. And by the way, he did win. :o

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Rab you think it would be scary if Al Gore won
Give me a break you maen where doing good with busch Oil going thru the roof Inflation And where in a war we can't possibly win We have over 3000 soldiers killed over 30000
Coming home with either menatel problems or no arms or legs or both
This is going to be another Vietnam thousands of men and women killed and wouded
and then where going to end the war a war we never should have started and then what

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Sad, but freedom is not free. Fight them there or fight them here.....You choose. Remember 9/11?

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Rab,
Please tell me you are joking!
Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
We should of kept our focus on going after Bin Laden. He is behind 9/11.
Please tell me you are joking in your post! I know the White House tried that spin but I though everybody knew by now it was a lie. Iraq has no airforce .. :o so they can't get here to fight!!! ;)

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I agree with Mcelheny we can send aman to the moon but we can't get Bin Laden Thats where all our efforts should be
I've read many articles that said Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11

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speaking of mcclellan, i saw him speaking to anderson cooper last evening and expected him to say something terrible like the old excuse for going into iraq was to avenge his dad, etc, but surprisingly, he said the spin was put on wmd while the president really wanted to go into iraq because he has a vision of democracy in the middle east to which he is very commited and he really believes in the importance of iraq to this vision. personally, i don't think this is such a terrible quality in a leader. even though my beautiful grandson is deploying to iraq next week, i do believe that freedom for people in the middle east will overcome the seething hatred of these young men who have had no hope but radicalization in their closed-off society. i guess "vision" can never be proved until it has resulted in its goal.....let's hope he is right.

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chachacha,
We have lost many,many, beautiful young people(my newphew) for what???
You can't impose by war a Democracy! We are in a mess.I wish Bush had never started this war. There is so much suffering going on... :'(
I don't think Bush is doing a good job but he may or may not be a good person. :dontknow:

I will pray very hard that your beautiful grandson comes home safe.

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thank you so much for your prayers for my grandson....i know you lost your nephew because i have been reading the discussions. i certainly do not minimize the loss of so many young lives.

i did not mean that we should go to war to enforce democracy all over the world. of course there were compelling reasons (or so we all thought) at the time this war began, and if we are honest both parties were supporting the invasion of iraq. at the time i was in the minority who thought it was not necessary and defended the french (i'm a francophile) for suggesting we were being hasty while the whole country was refusing to say "french fries". do you remember all that? the point is that now that we are there, we must see it through or it will all have been for nought. we cannot leave the iraqi people in chaos. our efforts are slowly showing progress and we must stay the course.

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Chacharcha,
I think we agree. I was against the war from the begining too.

I would love to see peace in the world. :bigthumbsup:

I know you are right that we can't just pull out of Iraq. I also know that both parties have a part in getting into this war. But I pray it will end soon and God Bless all our soldiers.
I wish the people of wealth and power and governments(Bush) would think very hard before sending anybody's child into war. Some wars have been worth fighting...but I sure don't think this one was! >:(

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>
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> BUSH'S RESIGNATION SPEECH
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> The following 'speech' was written recently by an ordinary Maineiac [a resident of the People's Republic of Maine]. While satirical in nature, all satire must have a basis in fact to be effective. This is an excellent piece by a person who does not write for a living.
>
> The speech George W. Bush might give:
> []
> Normally, I start these things out by saying 'My Fellow Americans.' Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don't know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you're really not fellow Americans any longer.
> I'll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: There's been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.
> []
> The reason I'm quitting is simple. I'm fed up with you people. I'm fed up because you have no understanding of what's really going on in the world. Or of what's going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.
> Let's start local. You've been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that's despite record numbers of homeowners, including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we're mentioning minorities, I'll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton administration. I've mentioned all those things before, but it doesn't seem to have sunk in.
> []
> Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there's increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.
> We face real threats in the world. Don't give me this 'blood for oil' thing. If I were trading blood for oil I would've already seized Iraq's oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don't give me this 'Bush Lied; People Died' crap either. If I were the liar you morons take me for, I could've easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be 'discovered.' Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty.
> []
> Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named 'Clinton' established that policy. Bet you didn't know that, did you? Now some of you morons are considering another and more evil Clinton for president !!!! Go figure that one!! She wants to take your kids away and let the 'Whole Village' raise them! i.e. governmental indoctrination .. Look this one up you dumb asses!
> The rest of you morons want to be led by a junior senator with no understanding of foreign policy or economics, and this nitwit says we should attack Pakistan, a nucular ally. And then he wants to go to Iran and make peace with a terrorist who says he's going to destroy us. While he's doing that, he wants to give Iraq to al Qaeda, Afghanistan to the Taliban, Israel to the Palestinians, and your money to the IRS so the government can give welfare to illegal aliens, who he will make into citizens, so they can vote to reelect him. He also thinks it's okay for Iran to have nucular weapons, and we should stop our foreign aid to Israel. Did you sleep through high school?
> You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to out spend and out-tech them.
> []
> That's not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don't care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That'd be fine, as long as they weren't also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you, and the bastards are all over the globe.
> You should be grateful that they haven't gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you're not. That's because you've got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement, and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I'm disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of 'Survivor.'
> []
> Instead, you've grown impatient. You're incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do. You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.
> Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat's political campaign, well, dang it, you might just as well FedEx a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.
> In this day and age, it's easy enough to find the truth. It's all over the Internet. It just isn't on the pages of the New York Times, USA Today, or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you'd be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol or Dancing with Stars.
> I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you're too stupid to leave a city that's below sea level and has a hurricane approaching.
> []
> I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I've come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.
> So I quit. I'm going back to Crawford. I've got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient for years. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I'm done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.
> []
> Oh, and by the way, Cheney's quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there are just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.
> So that's it. God bless what's left of America.
> Some of you know what I mean. The rest of you, kiss off.
>
> PS - You might want to start learning Farsi, and buy a Koran.
>


Any one who votes or even talks about the election should read this.

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ldj1938, that was one great post. Now that was Bush bashing with a twist :bigthumbsup:

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the resignation speech was a great post. i wish i knew how to cut and paste. it brought tears to my eyes because it is so right on....i fear most of us WOULD rather watch american idol than think about the important issues before us. please, please, please let us pray and meditate carefully before pulling that lever in the voting booth!

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That is a great post. Also about the 2000 election, Geroge W. Bush won. When you count the undervotes (hanging chad) and overvotes (a punch and a write in) most media looking at it since 2000 have concluded that Bush won.

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You're wrong. I can guarantee you that.

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Let's see, Does anyone really think Bush is doing a good job?

In the end, as good as we got from Pres. Kennedy, Johnson, Roosevelt and Carter.

This always seems to boil down to a debate as to which party provides the better Executive Branch leadership. For my money, it's a coin-flip.

If we use military killed/wounded in action as a yardstick (a darned lousy one to me, but it keeps coming up), the Democratic presidents have an insurmountable lead in this category, by a ratio too obscene to publish.

If we use national debt accumulated/terminated, the Republican presidents don't score well at all.

If we look at who robs from the middle class and distributes it to everyone else, both parties are fairly equal, even though they go about it in different ways.

So, let's see what the next herd of appointees hiding behind the vote-getter's britches provide us.

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Oh, please don't use President Kennedy and George Bush in the same breath.

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In the 34 months John F. Kennedy was president:

1) we entered Vietnam in force;
2) relations with the USSR dipped, and the Berlin Wall was built;
3) covert actions to depose of Fidel Castro backfired, and the Bay of Pigs disaster occurred;
4) the number of nuclear ICBMs was increased from 63 to 424 (the "Bomb" era was now on us);
5) his Secretary of Defense (Robert McNamara) agreed to various defense sweetheart deals, one of which being the infamous M-16 rifle (fielded too early, resulting in battlefield deaths);
6) created the Food Stamp program (which is still a mess); and
7) brought nepotism to new heights with the appointment of his brother as Attorney General.

Yep, he did "accomplish" more in his 34 months than Pres. Bush did in eight years...

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Steve, how dare you criticize St. John of Hyannis Port :yikes:.

Like so many in the mid 60's, I was taught that only Oswald kept JFK from being one of the greats of all time, the logical addition to Mt. Rushmore. It wasn't until much later when one could see so many of his actions in retrospect and in perspective that one could accurately take a measure of the man, and for Kennedy that is still dangerous business. An interesting aspect of the JFK regime was the election of 1962. Kennedy and Co had decided that they'd go after Democrats they considered soft and build a Congress that would rubber stamp anything the administration wanted. They sent Bobby and other member of the Irish Mafia out during primary season to nail specific Senators and Congressman. Kennedy overestimated his reach, his "enemies" won, and basically he couldn't pass gas in the new Congress. It took LBJ's carrot and stick approach to get all the "Kennedy" bills passed in the early days of his administration. Yes, JFK brought in a new tone to government, and might have done some great things, though there's little evidence, but factually he didn't do Diddley (RIP, Bo.).

But, you still can't treat JFK or any of the Kennedys as even human. From Lloyd Bentsen to the myriad hosannas piled on Teddy during his recent illness, from the near canonization of JFK Jr. to the ultra forgiving and adulatory attitude toward other 2nd generation members of the clan, the Kennedys are above and beyond objective analysis.

Of the presidents of the 60's, only JFK is admired, even adored today. LBJ, who actually carried out so many of Kennedy's wishes and built his Great Society (for which he likely should be condemned but which was and is the dream of liberal Democrats) is blamed by the 60's liberals for Vietnam and belittled and condemned. Milhous opened relations with China and established detente with the USSR, attempted to create national health care, did created the EPA and OSHA, and initiated SALT yet will always be condemned to his own circle of hell because of Watergate. Sometimes objectivity and balance take a long time to reach.

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Ironically, all of the latest rhetoric regarding Sen. Obama possibly having Sen. Clinton as the #2 on the Democratic ticket reminds me of the Kennedy-Johnson ticket - two guys who had a great distaste for each other, but the DNC made this political marriage so that Northern and Southern votes could be gotten. It did not matter that the two of them never did work together on anything - and VP Johnson was exiled from all of the inner sanctum activities.

It clearly demonstrated that getting the party's puppets elected is more important to the Party's National Committees than anything being accomplished by the "winners" for the nation post-election.

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Yes i think Bush is doing a good job But more rides are needed Oh i thought you were talking about Bush Gardens Sorry i take it back

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LOL
Good BSLINY
;D ;D ;D

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NEW BOOK PUBLISHED MAY 26, 2008
Famed Charles Manson prosecutor and three time #1 New York Times bestselling author Vincent Bugliosi has written the most powerful, explosive, and thought-provoking book of his storied career.
In The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder, Bugliosi presents a tight, meticulously researched legal case that puts George W. Bush on trial in an American courtroom for the murder of nearly 4,000 American soldiers fighting the war in Iraq. Bugliosi sets forth the legal architecture and incontrovertible evidence that President Bush took this nation to war in Iraq under false pretenses—a war that has not only caused the deaths of American soldiers but also over 100,000 innocent Iraqi men, women, and children; cost the United States over one trillion dollars thus far with no end in sight; and alienated many American allies in the Western world.

As a prosecutor who is dedicated to seeking justice, Bugliosi, in his inimitable style, delivers a non-partisan argument, free from party lines and instead based upon hard facts and pure objectivity.

A searing indictment of the President and his administration, The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder also outlines a legally credible pathway to holding our highest government officials accountable for their actions, thereby creating a framework for future occupants of the oval office.

Vincent Bugliosi calls for the United States of America to return to the great nation it once was and can be again. He believes the first step to achieving this goal is to bring those responsible for the war in Iraq to justice.

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junglejim you should be ashamed for posting that.