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Guest 08-14-2015 11:13 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099731)
I think that was the point. Nine elders (because you only get rid of them when they die on the job) dictate what they deem right or wrong. No matter what the majority want. No matter what the founders wanted. No matter what the constitution says.

The Supreme Court justices review laws and determine if they are in accordance with the Constitution. If the majority of voters vote on some item, the Court can strike it down as being unconstitutional. It is the Court's responsibility to interpret the Constitution.

Guest 08-14-2015 11:42 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099734)
The Supreme Court justices review laws and determine if they are in accordance with the Constitution. If the majority of voters vote on some item, the Court can strike it down as being unconstitutional. It is the Court's responsibility to interpret the Constitution.

Yep, and they use their opinion and ideology to interpret the constitution. We need term limits for them as much as we need term limits for congress. If they can't even agree with each other, then how do you figure that they are correct in their interpretation?

Guest 08-14-2015 11:58 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099742)
Yep, and they use their opinion and ideology to interpret the constitution. We need term limits for them as much as we need term limits for congress. If they can't even agree with each other, then how do you figure that they are correct in their interpretation?

Just remember, they do not review EVERY law that is passed. There is a complex system to rise to the Supreme Court level, and the justices decide what cases to hear and rule on.

Guest 08-14-2015 01:10 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099742)
Yep, and they use their opinion and ideology to interpret the constitution. We need term limits for them as much as we need term limits for congress. If they can't even agree with each other, then how do you figure that they are correct in their interpretation?

If you are a student of the US Constitution, you will know that the lifetime terms of the justices is set forth in Article III. The justices are nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate. The justices can resign or be removed by impeachment and convicted.

To impose term limits would involve a Constitutional amendment process which would take years (if ever) to accomplish.

Whenever a vacancy occurs on the Court, the President will try to fill the vacancy with a judge of the same political mindset of the President. It always doesn't work. George W. nominated John Roberts to the Court, didn't he? :clap2:

Guest 08-14-2015 01:22 PM

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I mentioned both references because the first part is from the Bible and I do realize that the Bible offends liberal atheists.

Liberals profess not to believe in a deity, yet use Christian charity as a means to extort benefits from the majority.

I am very offended by your blanket statement that Liberals do not believe in a deity.

I am a Quaker - which is Christian - and we certainly believe in God.

Yes, there are some Liberals who are atheists just as there some conservatives who are atheists.

I was a friend of Saul Alinski and he was a Christian. He attended the services of the Universal Unitarian Church and was a very spiritual man.

Your blanket statement is just hateful.

Guest 08-14-2015 02:09 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099611)
A minority(not talking of race, so chill out folks) wishes to think that, but in reality, they are only louder. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. But, the fact is that PC seems to reign in America. In reality, many small groups are just an irritation that the majority doesn't want to deal with, so they buckle to them just to shut them up. It doesn't convince anyone that they are right or deserving, just an irritation that no one wants to deal with.

I totally agree.

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Guest 08-14-2015 04:04 PM

I am a God fearing liberal Christian. If you read Jesus's teachings, you will be reading the teachings of a liberal by today's standards. Why do conservatives assume they are the only Christians? Why do they assume they are in the majority? The conservatives want to repeal the Affordable Care Act. I think most residents of The Villages are conservatives. How many of them would support repealing Medicare? How many would volunteer or vote for taking away their Medicare benefits? What is so bad about making complete health care, not just emergency health care, available for everybody? There are some things, e.g. military, first responders, infrastructure construction and maintenance, etc. are best done by government; why not health care?

Guest 08-14-2015 04:20 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099611)
A minority(not talking of race, so chill out folks) wishes to think that, but in reality, they are only louder. The squeaky wheel gets the oil. But, the fact is that PC seems to reign in America. In reality, many small groups are just an irritation that the majority doesn't want to deal with, so they buckle to them just to shut them up. It doesn't convince anyone that they are right or deserving, just an irritation that no one wants to deal with.

You are describing the tea party to a tee, a small but very loud group that is in the process of destroying the republican party. In years past, how many senate seats did they cost the GOP with the likes of Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, Ken Buck, Todd Akin, and many more?

And 2016 will be no different with candidates such as Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, etc. Even the chairman of the RNC, Reince Preibus, stated that the republican party, as we know it, will cease to exist with another loss in 2016.

Guest 08-14-2015 05:48 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099831)
You are describing the tea party to a tee, a small but very loud group that is in the process of destroying the republican party. In years past, how many senate seats did they cost the GOP with the likes of Christine O'Donnell, Sharon Angle, Ken Buck, Todd Akin, and many more?

And 2016 will be no different with candidates such as Donald Trump, Carly Fiorina, Ben Carson, etc. Even the chairman of the RNC, Reince Preibus, stated that the republican party, as we know it, will cease to exist with another loss in 2016.

I think the Tea Party does not carry the weight you think they do at all.

BUT...I will most certainly agree that the political climate because of the last 6 1/2 years is totally screwed up.

Trump is grabbing all the headlines from serious candidates on the GOP side.

Clinton's campaign seems to have drawn to a halt and if the reports are accurate the desperation in the Democratic party has them looking at Joe Biden and Al Gore even. More talk of criminal activity than issues on the left.

I still maintain it all could have been different had President Obama handled his first year in office more like a statesman than someone who just won a trophy.

BUT.....the climate has been changed for sure. As has the world.....we have more enemies, less friends, more violence in the Mid East and on our own streets.

It is a shame and I keep hoping for some optimistic news somewhere on something.

ISIS is now using chemical weapons, Iran is going to get rich and armed, Russia is getting stronger, we just opened diplomatic relations with one of the worst human rights countries in the world (Cuba).

We have a civil rights movement based on a lie, we make hero's of criminals, we continually hear of multiple shootings everywhere and crime in the poverty areas has never ever been higher or more violent.

Not a positive time for our country at all.

Guest 08-14-2015 05:59 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099856)
I think the Tea Party does not carry the weight you think they do at all.

BUT...I will most certainly agree that the political climate because of the last 6 1/2 years is totally screwed up.

Trump is grabbing all the headlines from serious candidates on the GOP side.

Clinton's campaign seems to have drawn to a halt and if the reports are accurate the desperation in the Democratic party has them looking at Joe Biden and Al Gore even. More talk of criminal activity than issues on the left.

I still maintain it all could have been different had President Obama handled his first year in office more like a statesman than someone who just won a trophy.

BUT.....the climate has been changed for sure. As has the world.....we have more enemies, less friends, more violence in the Mid East and on our own streets.

It is a shame and I keep hoping for some optimistic news somewhere on something.

ISIS is now using chemical weapons, Iran is going to get rich and armed, Russia is getting stronger, we just opened diplomatic relations with one of the worst human rights countries in the world (Cuba).

We have a civil rights movement based on a lie, we make hero's of criminals, we continually hear of multiple shootings everywhere and crime in the poverty areas has never ever been higher or more violent.

Not a positive time for our country at all.

Buddy, if you EVER knew what the heck you were talking about, it would be a miracle! You are totally clueless.

Guest 08-14-2015 06:18 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099857)
Buddy, if you EVER knew what the heck you were talking about, it would be a miracle! You are totally clueless.

YET, you dispute not one thing. Hmmm,

Guest 08-14-2015 07:52 PM

Let's cut out this juvenile chiding and get back to the Supreme Court.

The Supreme Court has said ACA and same sex marriage are legal. That satisfies the liberals but not the conservatives. More people in the country identity as conservative than liberal. Shouldn't the views of the majority be the views that are made constitional since we are a nation built on majority views?

Guest 08-14-2015 10:47 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099722)
Then we no longer have a democracy!

When a major majority of the population believe that marriage is between a man and a woman and 9 people in black robes overrule probably close to 300 million citizens that is no longer a democracy but an anarchy. The supreme court was established to interpret the constitution, not legislate from the bench. That belongs to Congress!

Guest 08-15-2015 06:42 AM

If you check recent Gallup and Pew Research polls, you will find that a majority of Americans are in favor of same sex marriage being legal everywhere.

The majority has ruled and was upheld by the Supreme Court.

Guest 08-15-2015 08:24 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1099857)
Buddy, if you EVER knew what the heck you were talking about, it would be a miracle! You are totally clueless.

I bet if you take a poll, you will find more on here that agree with him, than with you. I agree with him. On the other hand, you have disputed nothing that he mentioned. Try having an intelligent conversation, and then maybe the rest of us won't think "you are totally clueless."


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