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Guest 09-18-2015 05:33 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115405)
You genuinely do not understand Islamic history ... John Quincy Adams summarized in best almost 200 years ago when he said "...the essence of the Islamic doctrine is violence and lust ... to exalt the brutal over the spiritual part of human nature."

The PC crowd, such as Think Progress etc, likes to deny the obvious. Read your history. Mohammed was the Charles Manson of his age, except he had a huge army at his disposal. They killed or enslaved millions. His followers today are simply doing what they were instructed to do back in the 7th century AD.

Dear Guest: I happen to agree with you and my reading of history of Mohammad also track with yours.

However the more relevant issue as respects this conversation is that ISIS has shown themselves to be rapists, and barbaric murders killing anyone who they view is in their way. It doesn't take but one beheading or one person left in a cage and drowned to see through their insanity and madness. The only person I know who won't call them Islamic terrorist is Obama and the reaction you get from delusional progressives is Obama is right.

And another reality since this post is really about Trump. If Trump were president he would trade with ISIS if he thought it would make him a buck

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 09-18-2015 05:36 AM

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Dear Guest: Yea my Dad would say politicians are all crooks and you just have to figure out which one is going to leave a little on the bone for you

I loved my Dad but I thought to myself shouldn't Americans aspire to something greater when electing its leader. I saw it in Ronald Reagan and I saw it in Mitt Romney where both men could conduct politics while maintaining their self. Its defined as unselfishness.

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I agree with you, but it won't happen today. We saw how they treated Romney. We have too many greedy/needy voters that will go for the celebrity that will offer them the best show/freebies. I doubt we will see the "nice guy" politician for a long time. Too many selfish people that are afraid of having their gravy train side railed. Right now, we need someone that will embarrass the lazy into working, and motivate the apathetic into participation. Only the thoughtful will vote for a boring candidate over a loud and obnoxious celebrity. There are so many ignorant Americans in our country that want to be entertained, rather than lead into prosperity. Having celebrities at the wheel is like having a driver of a bus that gets out of his seat on a moving vehicle to join the passengers in a drink and song. In Obama's case, he has pulled the bus over to a rest stop to purchase free drinks and food for the passengers instead of putting fuel and maintenance into the vehicle for the long travel ahead.

Guest 09-18-2015 05:45 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115380)
Why ISIS Is Not, In Fact, Islamic | ThinkProgress

Saying you are Muslim while beheading someone, does not make that person a Muslim. Just a murderer.

Dear Guest: Its very puzzling for me to understand how in the most obvious of circumstance progressives continue to delude themselves? During the Spanish Inquistion were not the evil doing done by Christians;albeit Christians who had a warped perhaps politically bent reasoning for their crimes? I'll bet as a progressive you would agree with this assessment. So why would Obama progressives delude themselves to the fact that ISIS are muslims and that the Koran actually does invoke the annihilation of infidels (us)?

Personal Best Regards:

Guest 09-18-2015 06:12 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115822)
Dear Guest: Its very puzzling for me to understand how in the most obvious of circumstance progressives continue to delude themselves? During the Spanish Inquistion were not the evil doing done by Christians;albeit Christians who had a warped perhaps politically bent reasoning for their crimes? I'll bet as a progressive you would agree with this assessment. So why would Obama progressives delude themselves to the fact that ISIS are muslims and that the Koran actually does invoke the annihilation of infidels (us)?

Personal Best Regards:

Liberals will insist that the moon is the sun and the sun is the moon, if it will benefit them in some way. Lying is a preferred character trait for liberals. The logical will never understand their reasoning, unless you consider that it is based on avarice.

Guest 09-18-2015 06:56 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115820)
Dear Guest: I happen to agree with you and my reading of history of Mohammad also track with yours.

However the more relevant issue as respects this conversation is that ISIS has shown themselves to be rapists, and barbaric murders killing anyone who they view is in their way. It doesn't take but one beheading or one person left in a cage and drowned to see through their insanity and madness. The only person I know who won't call them Islamic terrorist is Obama and the reaction you get from delusional progressives is Obama is right.

And another reality since this post is really about Trump. If Trump were president he would trade with ISIS if he thought it would make him a buck

Personal Best Regards:

I doubt if anyone with any decency supports ISIS. They are barbaric very evil and will not listen to anyone but whoever is preaching their very warped view of The Koran.

Not sure if Donald Trump trades with Iran or Iraq now? Russia? China? It would be nice to get that kind of information.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:00 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115806)
Oh, come on. If you are going to come on here calling names, then expect a bit of Big Boy heat. No one is going to sympathize with you. Even the real Democrats know how to debate civilly without name calling. If you are going to take the radical left, liberal stance and call us names, then be a big boy and prepare to stand up for yourself instead of running off to hide when the conversation amps up a bit.

Big Boy Heat? That's hilarious. Your group's attacks on me are extremely juvenile. Insensitive and mean too but very sophomoric.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:13 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115807)
Ok, well while you have had your head in books for years, some of us have lived the real life. Writing about something doesn't make you an expert on it. So far, on each comment you make, whether here or on another forum you spend many lines talking about yourself, instead of the subject. Granted, you do add maybe one line as an after thought regarding the subject of the thread.
I hope you realize that you sound condescending when you say such things like "our PAID firemen, police...." And the fact that you use caps on "PAID" proves how you think lower of them because it is part of their job instead of volunteering. Do you really think that anyone is awed by your written papers and suggestions to politicians? Dude, have you ever heard of the term "overkill?"

There, you have been successful in diverting attention from the thread to YOU.

I have had my head in the books for years? I actually have spoken to many victims and written maybe 4000 victims' rights organization from 1992 through 2002. I wanted to see what they would like to have available in their libraries.

This again is my 224 613 Project which I believe many people in the Villages appreciate. Talk to some librarians in the area.

Back to Trump. This is something that money sure can be made in so I expect if elected he would be interested. Especially if he actually has some concerns for the people he seems to be fighting for in the debates. Not providing enough information of a very valuable kind is something that some in the establishment still seem to want to do. Facebook has made that quite difficult though and it seems some lawyers are also fighting to make practical information about the law much more of a reality. Trump's lawyers could come in handy about this in the struggle to assure that victims/survivors or on a more level playing field in the legal system.

I sent a few e-mails about my work to the Sumter County Clerk of Court when I had jury duty on May 19, 2014. I did not want to blindside them with my life experiences with the Michelle Mitchell 2-24-1976 murder investigation, trial, appeals, media coverage and the re-opening of the Michelle Mitchell murder investigation due to a DNA test of Kathy Woods. Look at the Gypsy Hill murders.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115859)
I have had my head in the books for years? I actually have spoken to many victims and written maybe 4000 victims' rights organization from 1992 through 2002. I wanted to see what they would like to have available in their libraries.

This again is my 224 613 Project which I believe many people in the Villages appreciate. Talk to some librarians in the area.

Back to Trump. This is something that money sure can be made in so I expect if elected he would be interested. Especially if he actually has some concerns for the people he seems to be fighting for in the debates. Not providing enough information of a very valuable kind is something that some in the establishment still seem to want to do. Facebook has made that quite difficult though and it seems some lawyers are also fighting to make practical information about the law much more of a reality. Trump's lawyers could come in handy about this in the struggle to assure that victims/survivors or on a more level playing field in the legal system.

I sent a few e-mails about my work to the Sumter County Clerk of Court when I had jury duty on May 19, 2014. I did not want to blindside them with my life experiences with the Michelle Mitchell 2-24-1976 murder investigation, trial, appeals, media coverage and the re-opening of the Michelle Mitchell murder investigation due to a DNA test of Kathy Woods. Look at the Gypsy Hill murders.

Correction -- Cathy Woods. Cathy Woods exonerated in the murder of Michelle Mitchell - My News 4 - KRNV, Reno, NV

Guest 09-18-2015 07:21 AM

California police charge suspect in four-decade old 'Gypsy Hill Murders' | Fox News

A little bit more about my life with me head in books.

One thing I like about Donald Trump. It does seem he talks to people actually on a real level. I have not read his books though. It would surprise me if he actually reads The Bible but this is a book I find my nose in everyone in a while and John 3:16 is my favorite passage.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:21 AM

California police charge suspect in four-decade old 'Gypsy Hill Murders' | Fox News

A little bit more about my life with me head in books.

One thing I like about Donald Trump. It does seem he talks to people actually on a real level. I have not read his books though. It would surprise me if he actually reads The Bible but this is a book I find my nose in everyone in a while and John 3:16 is my favorite passage.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:23 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115806)
Oh, come on. If you are going to come on here calling names, then expect a bit of Big Boy heat. No one is going to sympathize with you. Even the real Democrats know how to debate civilly without name calling. If you are going to take the radical left, liberal stance and call us names, then be a big boy and prepare to stand up for yourself instead of running off to hide when the conversation amps up a bit.

Here is the thing about that small group of people who feel always "picked on" and constantly mention the "gang of six" which means nothing to anyone at all.

They are unsuccessful, losers and when they come here, they look for an opportunity for the quips and they will find them because that is how it is.

They always, and forever, ignore whatever the thread is about. They never supply any other link or information to add....

They simply whine about how they are "picked on". There are a lot of liberals who post here and would never stoop to suggesting they are being "picked on". If you quip you get quips in return.

I suggest to that group that they try posting something with facts that actually relate to a current event of some kind.

I think most know who they are and I have been told they...well, honestly two of them are on ignore on most posters TOTV because they do post in the regular forum.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:26 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115859)
I have had my head in the books for years? I actually have spoken to many victims and written maybe 4000 victims' rights organization from 1992 through 2002. I wanted to see what they would like to have available in their libraries.

This again is my 224 613 Project which I believe many people in the Villages appreciate. Talk to some librarians in the area.

Back to Trump. This is something that money sure can be made in so I expect if elected he would be interested. Especially if he actually has some concerns for the people he seems to be fighting for in the debates. Not providing enough information of a very valuable kind is something that some in the establishment still seem to want to do. Facebook has made that quite difficult though and it seems some lawyers are also fighting to make practical information about the law much more of a reality. Trump's lawyers could come in handy about this in the struggle to assure that victims/survivors or on a more level playing field in the legal system.

I sent a few e-mails about my work to the Sumter County Clerk of Court when I had jury duty on May 19, 2014. I did not want to blindside them with my life experiences with the Michelle Mitchell 2-24-1976 murder investigation, trial, appeals, media coverage and the re-opening of the Michelle Mitchell murder investigation due to a DNA test of Kathy Woods. Look at the Gypsy Hill murders.

And that has what to do with the thread? :blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahblahblah::blahbla hblah:

Guest 09-18-2015 07:27 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115851)
Big Boy Heat? That's hilarious. Your group's attacks on me are extremely juvenile. Insensitive and mean too but very sophomoric.

I am not sure who this poster is. I do not know if it is a member of the troll patrol or the newer poster who calls people racist at the drop of a hat and levels charges and then flat out refuses to to back them up....just accuse with no facts.

If it is the second, once you start with the calling people racist because they do not agree with you, you are lost and you deserve whatever you get.

Sophmoric is a very strange accusation from you....really, have you ever read your posts ?

Guest 09-18-2015 07:28 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115822)
Dear Guest: Its very puzzling for me to understand how in the most obvious of circumstance progressives continue to delude themselves? During the Spanish Inquistion were not the evil doing done by Christians;albeit Christians who had a warped perhaps politically bent reasoning for their crimes? I'll bet as a progressive you would agree with this assessment. So why would Obama progressives delude themselves to the fact that ISIS are muslims and that the Koran actually does invoke the annihilation of infidels (us)?

Personal Best Regards:

There are parts of The Bible especially the Old Testament which are similar in tone. My guess is that whoever wrote The Koran and I am not sure it was actually Mohammad was very familiar with Old and New Testaments and borrowed aspects of it like the Chosen People and the Ten Plagues and unique relationship with God of some individuals like Moses, Job, Noah, Abraham, Adam and Eve, Jesus, etc.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115868)
I am not sure who this poster is. I do not know if it is a member of the troll patrol or the newer poster who calls people racist at the drop of a hat and levels charges and then flat out refuses to to back them up....just accuse with no facts.

If it is the second, once you start with the calling people racist because they do not agree with you, you are lost and you deserve whatever you get.

Sophmoric is a very strange accusation from you....really, have you ever read your posts ?

I have NEVER called anyone RACIST. That is a flat out lie.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:29 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115851)
Big Boy Heat? That's hilarious. Your group's attacks on me are extremely juvenile. Insensitive and mean too but very sophomoric.

You're kidding, right? Seriously?

Guest 09-18-2015 07:32 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115865)
Here is the thing about that small group of people who feel always "picked on" and constantly mention the "gang of six" which means nothing to anyone at all.

They are unsuccessful, losers and when they come here, they look for an opportunity for the quips and they will find them because that is how it is.

They always, and forever, ignore whatever the thread is about. They never supply any other link or information to add....

They simply whine about how they are "picked on". There are a lot of liberals who post here and would never stoop to suggesting they are being "picked on". If you quip you get quips in return.

I suggest to that group that they try posting something with facts that actually relate to a current event of some kind.

I think most know who they are and I have been told they...well, honestly two of them are on ignore on most posters TOTV because they do post in the regular forum.

And how is this about Donald Trump?

Guest 09-18-2015 07:35 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115872)
I have NEVER called anyone RACIST. That is a flat out lie.

Bye :wave:

Guest 09-18-2015 07:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115820)
Dear Guest: I happen to agree with you and my reading of history of Mohammad also track with yours.

However the more relevant issue as respects this conversation is that ISIS has shown themselves to be rapists, and barbaric murders killing anyone who they view is in their way. It doesn't take but one beheading or one person left in a cage and drowned to see through their insanity and madness. The only person I know who won't call them Islamic terrorist is Obama and the reaction you get from delusional progressives is Obama is right.

And another reality since this post is really about Trump. If Trump were president he would trade with ISIS if he thought it would make him a buck

Personal Best Regards:

Thanks for putting in your wisdom. A poster who actually tries to talk about stuff rather than making petty, stupid personal attacks on other posters.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:38 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115876)
Bye :wave:

Good riddance to you.

Guest 09-18-2015 07:54 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115877)
Thanks for putting in your wisdom. A poster who actually tries to talk about stuff rather than making petty, stupid personal attacks on other posters.

The gentleman to whom you directed your comment is always posting things that everyone should read....not that you need to agree but always intelligent and well presented.

HE is the one who is attacked so much as part of the "gang" that the trolls refer to.

I sure wish I had his patience because he takes a lot of heat from those trolls.

Guest 09-18-2015 08:04 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115878)
Good riddance to you.

Actually, I was hoping that you would take a hint and leave. You seem so intent on having us respond to you, so that you can slur them with insults, such as "Tea B..ger" or "you are not relevant" etc. Some of us would rather stick with the theme of the thread instead of trading insults with you. You seem to be able to lower our standards to your level (juvenile) when you jump in with your daily slurs. So, feel free to expand your horizon and explore other venues for your childish entertainment. Why don't you log in to the FOX forum and try to trade insults? I think they are calling you.

Guest 09-18-2015 08:08 AM

Trump declines to correct man who says Obama is Muslim | www.wsbradio.com

I found this very interesting about Donald Trump.

There does seem to be secretive parts of Barack Obama's educational background. So, he had a point back then in 2012. The birther movement seemed kind of silly and it looks like Donald Trump is distancing himself from it. I have trouble with anyone saying that Barack Obama is a Muslim. He is more politically astute than that. He would stay a Christian just for the votes IMHO. I am being cynical.

Guest 09-18-2015 08:13 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115891)
Trump declines to correct man who says Obama is Muslim | www.wsbradio.com

I found this very interesting about Donald Trump.

There does seem to be secretive parts of Barack Obama's educational background. So, he had a point back then in 2012. The birther movement seemed kind of silly and it looks like Donald Trump is distancing himself from it. I have trouble with anyone saying that Barack Obama is a Muslim. He is more politically astute than that. He would stay a Christian just for the votes IMHO. I am being cynical.

I also have a problem with anyone accusing Obama of being a Muslim. When he thinks he is a god, how could he bow to another deity? :bigbow:

Guest 09-18-2015 08:27 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115891)
Trump declines to correct man who says Obama is Muslim | www.wsbradio.com

I found this very interesting about Donald Trump.

There does seem to be secretive parts of Barack Obama's educational background. So, he had a point back then in 2012. The birther movement seemed kind of silly and it looks like Donald Trump is distancing himself from it. I have trouble with anyone saying that Barack Obama is a Muslim. He is more politically astute than that. He would stay a Christian just for the votes IMHO. I am being cynical.

The link is an excellent example of the media attempting to enforce a PC code ... thou shalt not say anything, anywhere of any type negative, critical or mocking about St. Obie.

You know what, I'm fed up with that.

Obama likely has a soft spot in his heart for Islam (for reasons explained in other posts). He says he's a Christian. Well, he says he loves America too. It's not hard to figure out why people are skeptical of Obie.

If you look at his record, whether he's a professed Muslim or not, he is the most successful Jihadi (defined as advancing Islam) in the last several hundred years. The last time the Muslims advanced on the West was 1683 when they were defeated, largely by Polish Catholics, at the gates of Vienna.

Since Obie has been POTUS we've seen a) creation of ISIS b) removal of essentially all Christians in the Middle East area under ISIS control ... when they have been there since the time of Christ c) an invasion of Europe by hundreds of thousands of Muslims that are, among other things, spreading the faith and d) the enabling of nuclear arms to Iran. Does anyone, even a wacko liberal, have difficulty understanding why people would ask such a question?

And, since when is it Trump or any other candidates job to tell a supporter to shut up? When has Obama ever done that concerning some of the crazy bat sh** comments his supports, many on this board, have made about the Tea Party as but once example?

And I certainly agree with your point ... even if Obama prays to Mecca five times a day in private, he is absolutely astute enough to say in public he's a "Christian" ... otherwise, the rubes would revolt

Guest 09-18-2015 08:47 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115903)
The link is an excellent example of the media attempting to enforce a PC code ... thou shalt not say anything, anywhere of any type negative, critical or mocking about St. Obie.

You know what, I'm fed up with that.

Obama likely has a soft spot in his heart for Islam (for reasons explained in other posts). He says he's a Christian. Well, he says he loves America too. It's not hard to figure out why people are skeptical of Obie.

If you look at his record, whether he's a professed Muslim or not, he is the most successful Jihadi (defined as advancing Islam) in the last several hundred years. The last time the Muslims advanced on the West was 1683 when they were defeated, largely by Polish Catholics, at the gates of Vienna.

Since Obie has been POTUS we've seen a) creation of ISIS b) removal of essentially all Christians in the Middle East area under ISIS control ... when they have been there since the time of Christ c) an invasion of Europe by hundreds of thousands of Muslims that are, among other things, spreading the faith and d) the enabling of nuclear arms to Iran. Does anyone, even a wacko liberal, have difficulty understanding why people would ask such a question?

And, since when is it Trump or any other candidates job to tell a supporter to shut up? When has Obama ever done that concerning some of the crazy bat sh** comments his supports, many on this board, have made about the Tea Party as but once example?

And I certainly agree with your point ... even if Obama prays to Mecca five times a day in private, he is absolutely astute enough to say in public he's a "Christian" ... otherwise, the rubes would revolt

I must tell you, I am about as opposed to Obama's policies and attitude as anyway, but your post is a bit out of line.

President Obama has a different view of the world. It is based on his socialist bent and leaning which makes the USA a part of the European mix.

This was obvious when he ran in 2008.

He can be any religion he wants, but I object to the policies he has undertaken and especially his manner in doing so.

Guest 09-18-2015 09:19 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115903)
The link is an excellent example of the media attempting to enforce a PC code ... thou shalt not say anything, anywhere of any type negative, critical or mocking about St. Obie.

You know what, I'm fed up with that.

Obama likely has a soft spot in his heart for Islam (for reasons explained in other posts). He says he's a Christian. Well, he says he loves America too. It's not hard to figure out why people are skeptical of Obie.

If you look at his record, whether he's a professed Muslim or not, he is the most successful Jihadi (defined as advancing Islam) in the last several hundred years. The last time the Muslims advanced on the West was 1683 when they were defeated, largely by Polish Catholics, at the gates of Vienna.

Since Obie has been POTUS we've seen a) creation of ISIS b) removal of essentially all Christians in the Middle East area under ISIS control ... when they have been there since the time of Christ c) an invasion of Europe by hundreds of thousands of Muslims that are, among other things, spreading the faith and d) the enabling of nuclear arms to Iran. Does anyone, even a wacko liberal, have difficulty understanding why people would ask such a question?

And, since when is it Trump or any other candidates job to tell a supporter to shut up? When has Obama ever done that concerning some of the crazy bat sh** comments his supports, many on this board, have made about the Tea Party as but once example?

And I certainly agree with your point ... even if Obama prays to Mecca five times a day in private, he is absolutely astute enough to say in public he's a "Christian" ... otherwise, the rubes would revolt

Totally agree :thumbup:

Guest 09-18-2015 09:30 AM

There are a lot of African Americans who did convert to Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali It seems attractive to some of them.

Guest 09-18-2015 09:35 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115941)
There are a lot of African Americans who did convert to Islam. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Ali It seems attractive to some of them.

Probably just trying to get in touch with their roots. If they could see their distant relatives in Africa now, they probably wouldn't be in such a rush to convert.

Guest 09-18-2015 10:15 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115944)
Probably just trying to get in touch with their roots. If they could see their distant relatives in Africa now, they probably wouldn't be in such a rush to convert.

Excellent point since most of Africa is a dysfunctional hellhole.

I think it was Muhammed Ali who, when visiting Africa, said he was sure glad his ancestor was put on "that boat" meaning the slave ship.

Slavery is American's original sin but guess what ... today's descendants of those slaves are still way, way better off here than had they ended up in Africa.

Anyone want to debate that??

Guest 09-18-2015 11:30 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 1115974)
Excellent point since most of Africa is a dysfunctional hellhole.

I think it was Muhammed Ali who, when visiting Africa, said he was sure glad his ancestor was put on "that boat" meaning the slave ship.

Slavery is American's original sin but guess what ... today's descendants of those slaves are still way, way better off here than had they ended up in Africa.

Anyone want to debate that??

That seems true that much of Africa is quite a bloody mess.


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