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Guest 02-29-2012 11:17 AM

Maybe if the auto companies would have filed Warren Buffet could have back them and we would have Buffetmobile. Just a joke

Guest 02-29-2012 11:24 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 460616)
Maybe if the auto companies would have filed Warren Buffet could have back them and we would have Buffetmobile. Just a joke

okay:eek:

Guest 02-29-2012 11:39 AM

Thanks, richielion. You said it better than I did.

Guest 02-29-2012 11:44 AM

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Posted by Guest (Post 460613)
I was not aware the auto businesses were or would have gone out of business. They were headed for bankruptcy which does not = going out of business.

Without government throwing money at them, they would have gone into chapter 11 and with the high horsepower legal staff they would have no doubt already had a plan to submit to the judge, commonly referred to as a prepac bankruptcy. They would have secured a line of credit from some source without a doubt. Due to the requirements of the courts there would have been a purge of incumbent management and a down sizing of overheads. They would have not ever missed one day of production or new model introduction as that is the life blood of the newly organized business structures. The debt would have had a structured pay back and the bankruptcy plan would have established benchmarks with progress reviews via the courts. The auto makers involved would meet their criteria and they would emerge from bankruptcy....now get this part....AS PLANNED!!

The ongoing misinformation about these manufacturers shutting down and hundreds of thousands of jobs lost was never ever in the cards.
Obama struck a deal with the executives and more importantly the UAW using our money with no plan for assurance of accomplishment. Purely 100% political just like the stuff being currently spewed by Obama at the union meetings this past week. "They wanted to shut you down" = BS! He also inferred Romney would have allowed your company to shut down, lose your job = BS!

Obama doesn't know the bankruptcy policy and doesn't care. And unfortunately far too many of his supporters don't understand it either...OR CARE!!

In closing, to point to the stock market as an indicator of improvement is also mis information. The stock market has been puzzling those on the edges of it for the last two years as they continued to be amazed at the continuous improvement during the midst of the so called recession. And now that the networks are hailing the breaking of 13000 the political spinners and the naieve are claiming the market is an indicator of Obama's improving economy. More political spin and BS right along side the notion that auto companies were going to close their doors and millions be unemployed....PURE UNADULTERATED POLITICAL BS!!!

And the pied piper once again raises the volume on his flute for the flock to follow....

btk

President Obama said in his speech Tuesday there was no private equity available to save these companies. Even Bane Capital balked at the idea. If you know otherwise, please post a link. Don't forget that George W Bush was the one that authorized the 25 billion dollar bridge loan, and Obama increased it to 60 billion.

What did Romney mean in his editorial in the Wall Street Journal titled "Let Detroit Go Bankrupt"?

Obama champions auto bailout

Guest 02-29-2012 11:46 AM

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Maybe if the auto companies would have filed Warren Buffet could have back them and we would have Buffetmobile. Just a joke

I can hardly contain myself. Things are looking pretty glum for some of you right now. Keep up that sense of humor.

Xavier

Guest 02-29-2012 11:56 AM

"No matter how hard you try to twist my words, it is you who basically said buggy was lying for saying limbaugh said he wanted obama to fail. That is EXACTLY what he said as I have demonstrated and you owe buggy an apology, though I know that is not in your make-up."

Hey, I do not take things that are said on this forum on a personal basis. You, I, and all free-thinking Americans know that Limbaugh did say he wants Obama to fail.

If the Limbaugh-Lover Club wants the economy to go down, down, down and unemployment to climb; have wanted the Iraq war to go on, wanted Bin Laden to live, wanted GM and Chrysler to go bankrupt and one million people in the midwest to be out of work, wanted to pay $600 more per year for your meds, wanted your insurance company to be able to drop you when you get sick or refuse you coverage because of a pre-existing condition, wanted to end social security and medicare as we know it, and wanted the Dow Jones to be back at 7949 where it was when President Obama took office - that just shows want kind of people they really are.

Wanting your country to fail in the policies that have seen real successes in the past 3 years is just plain wrong - and all because you do not like the person voted into the Office of President of the United States by a majority of American voters.

Guest 02-29-2012 11:56 AM

$3.76 per gallon for regular gas this AM. Believe it is a fact that rising fuel prices negatively impacts many components of our economy. The President says he can't do anything about gas prices and all the others are merely creating bumper stickers. "Hope and change" and "yes we can" were bumper stickers too that have not resulted in much improvement after 3 plus years.

Neil Boortz said this morning that Obamacare is not about improving our healthcare, it's really about controlling healthcare which ultimately means gov't controls us. I'm inclined to believe this in light of recent events.

More time spent discussing contraception and proving "free" stuff while ignoring fact that nothing provided by gov't is free because someone outside of gov't must pay for everything that gov't provides.

More smoke and mirrors coming from DC in the next 8 months.

Guest 02-29-2012 12:03 PM

Hancle posted, "Neil Boortz said this morning that Obamacare is not about improving our healthcare, it's really about controlling healthcare which umtimately means gov't controls us. I'm inclined to believe this in light of recent events."

I would like Hancle to tell me if he would like his health insurance company to be able to drop him because he got sick and was costing them too much money. I would like Hancle to say if he would be pleased if he knew some young person who could not get health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. I would like to ask Hancle what "recent event" he is talking about when he says Obamacare is about controlling health care and means government is controlling us. Thank you for those 3 answers in advance.

Guest 02-29-2012 12:05 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 460642)
$3.76 per gallon for regular gas this AM. Believe it is a fact that rising fuel prices negatively impacts many components of our economy. The President says he can't do anything about gas prices and all the others are merely creating bumper stickers. "Hope and change" and "yes we can" were bumper stickers too that have not resulted in much improvement after 3 plus years.

Neil Boortz said this morning that Obamacare is not about improving our healthcare, it's really about controlling healthcare which umtimately means gov't controls us. I'm inclined to believe this in light of recent events.

More time spent discussing contraception and proving "free" stuff while ignoring fact that nothing provided by gov't is free because someone outside of gov't must pay for everything that gov't provides.

More smoke and mirrors coming from DC in the next 8 months.

I don't believe it's the White House that's been discussing contraception or trans-vaginal probes. Republicans really want to have their nose in women's healthcare and control all aspects of women's reproductive choices.

Guest 02-29-2012 12:08 PM

The high price of gasoline is due to the speculators buying and selling gasoline contracts on Wall Street. It is not due to President Obama in any way.

Guest 02-29-2012 12:42 PM

"I would like Hancle to tell me if he would like his health insurance company to be able to drop him because he got sick and was costing them too much money. I would like Hancle to say if he would be pleased if he knew some young person who could not get health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. I would like to ask Hancle what "recent event" he is talking about when he says Obamacare is about controlling health care and means government is controlling us. Thank you for those 3 answers in advance. "

Are you convinced that the only way for these 3 problems to be fixed was by having gov't take over the total control of healthcare in this country, by adding thousands of additional gov't employees who will be now watching over your doctor's shoulders and who will decide what tests and treatments should be employed based on statistical analysis of illnesses, treatments, age of patients, chances for recovery and yes, cost? Do you like the idea that you will be required by law to purchase the service? If so, you may get to enjoy more gov't provided products in the future.

The latest requirement for insurance companies to provide totally free reproductive services for women is an example of gov't control. Sibellius has said that private healthcare inurance companies are on their way out and the void will be filled by guess who? If the Catholic Bishops and many Evangelical Christians have a problem with this, to bad, Eric Holder is getting ready to use the full force of his office and gov't lawyers to make it happen, despite what many believe is wrong and uncontitutional.

Guest 02-29-2012 12:55 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 460657)
"I would like Hancle to tell me if he would like his health insurance company to be able to drop him because he got sick and was costing them too much money. I would like Hancle to say if he would be pleased if he knew some young person who could not get health insurance because of a pre-existing condition. I would like to ask Hancle what "recent event" he is talking about when he says Obamacare is about controlling health care and means government is controlling us. Thank you for those 3 answers in advance. "

Are you convinced that the only way for these 3 problems to be fixed was by having gov't take over the total control of healthcare in this country, by adding thousands of additional gov't employees who will be now watching over your doctor's shoulders and who will decide what tests and treatments should be employed based on statistical analysis of illnesses, treatments, age of patients, chances for recovery and yes, cost? Do you like the idea that you will be required by law to purchase the service? If so, you may get to enjoy more gov't provided products in the future.

The latest requirement for insurance companies to provide totally free reproductive services for women is an example of gov't control. Sibellius has said that private healthcare inurance companies are on their way out and the void will be filled by guess who? If the Catholic Bishops and many Evangelical Christians have a problem with this, to bad, Eric Holder is getting ready to use the full force of his office and gov't lawyers to make it happen, despite what many believe is wrong and uncontitutional.

I would like Hancle to tell me: is he now or will he ever be on Medicare? Guess what? That's a government program that the majority of recipients approve of.

If the government had not stepped in with The Affordable Care Act, do you honestly believe insurance companies would step up to the plate and remedy these problems that they created in the first place; ie dropping people when they get sick, not covering people with a pre-existing condition, not allowing young people to remain on their parents' medical insurance until age 26?

The government is not forcing anyone to use birth control.

Guest 02-29-2012 01:38 PM

It's becoming more apparent that right wingers not only want Obama to fail; they want America to fail. They are willing to let America fail just to get power. How sad that is. :doh:

Guest 02-29-2012 02:07 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 460665)
I would like Hancle to tell me: is he now or will he ever be on Medicare? Guess what? That's a government program that the majority of recipients approve of.

If the government had not stepped in with The Affordable Care Act, do you honestly believe insurance companies would step up to the plate and remedy these problems that they created in the first place; ie dropping people when they get sick, not covering people with a pre-existing condition, not allowing young people to remain on their parents' medical insurance until age 26?

The government is not forcing anyone to use birth control.

Yes I am on Medicare. I have paying a Medicare premium for years and despite what has been paid in it will be going broke unless? What, it gets expanded? in 2009, I wrote to the White House and my elected representitives asking that they fix what government already controlled before they expanded the program. I mentioned that Medicare provided a wheelchair for a family member who broke an ankle. The total payment from Medicare and our co-pays amounted to over $800. I asked the provider if we were not on Medicare and wanted to purchase the same wheelchair what would it cost? $160.00 was the response. I wrote about the industry that had sprung up because of Medicare, offering diabetes testing supplies and motorized scooters/wheechairs and found it necessary to spend large amounts of money to advertise on TV their Medicare covered services. Why would firms advertise for more customers if they did not find that huge profits can be made on the government program. I still wonder if the Medicare and Medicaid fraud problems that some claim cost billions every year, have been fixed.

I still feel the same way. That which government already controls has not been fixed and probably wont ever be fixed and apparently you and others believe that's not a concern. We should just expand the broken soon to be bankrupt program wth thousands more federal workers.

Yes I agree the government is not forcing anyone to practice birth control, they are just forcing others to pay for it. This apparently does not bother you. A counter argument about government Rx plan covering viagra does not make sense, it just points out that 2 wrongs don't make a right. Anyhow, I have been told by others that they are not totally free so it's not quite the same.

May I now ask you a few questions, are you on Medicare and if so, do you receive every benefit for free, or do you pay a monthly premium and have an annual deductible and a copay for many of the services you receive? Do you have any medical problems that without these might speed up your death? Are they worth whatever you pay or, do you get them for free? Have you had the opportunity to call 1-800-MEDICARE if you had a question or problem? Try it sometime when you have a few hours to waste.

Guest 02-29-2012 02:15 PM

Hancle wonders if Medicare and Medicaid fraud has been fixed. I do not think it has been fixed. Just ask Rick Scott and the Columbia/HCA hospital consortium about Medicare fraud. Any yet, Rick Scott got elected governor of Florida - and I wonder if Hancle voted for the crook.

I have a health insurance that I have a co-pay each time I go to a doctor and I pay a monthly premium for the health insurance. There is an annual deductible for the health insurance. Fortunately, I do not have health problems and hope I never do.

Since Hancle takes advantage of Medicare, he is not against government health insurance.


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