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Guest 08-08-2010 08:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 282065)
BK - I've read your posts carefully and here's where I see things a little differently, and why.

First, I too think it is more appropriate for many life activities to be under local control. You might even say that in most places (except Bell, CA, for example), more can be done more efficiently and with better accountability. I'd even go so far as to make a new axiom I think you'll love: "The farther away things are managed from the local level, the greater the chance for error, inefficiency, and higher costs." But I have one major problem with this. Who is going to protect us from the systematically greedy, the individuals and organizations which have immense power, even to the point of being able to fend of control by anyone, including the federal government? Who is going to defend us against terrorism? Who is going to insure that the Constitution as well as local and state laws are upheld, applied and supported. The answer is the federal government, regardless of how frustrated I am with Washington bureaucracy. Look at Homeland Security for example. Their money has been spent by the truck load for almost 10 years. Even their own officials admit they have often been woefully inefficient. They keep trying new things that don't work very well, but cost a fortune. The story of airline security devices and procedures is almost a comedy - but it isn't funny. But the bottom line is that the rush to respond to 9/11, by thousands of additional employees, at a very high cost, is perhaps why we have not had a couple more 9/11s. It's scary to read of all the plots which get exposed before they unfold in tragedy. I don't believe these stories are cooked up to make us think Homeland Security is just peachy and deserves even more money.
So, with some regret that things don't work better, I am willing to pay the price of living in this incredibly complex America. Our prosperous, free lifestyle makes us the target of every fringe group and half the nations of the world. It will continue to cost a lot to defend ourselves.
Take another example. I hate war more than anything else. I have seldom seen it as productive in any way, while always obscenely costly, especially in peoples lives. In my book, and many historians now agree - perhaps the worst decision ever made by a US President was to invade Iraq. And there is a voice in my head that yells every day: "Get out of Afghanistan NOW". But I know what will happen if we do not accomplish the bulk of our objectives there, as well as in Pakistan. Several million Afghani supporters will be executed, and terrorist forces will achieve an unprecedented legitimacy and power boost. We will lose, short and long term and the future costs of defeat will skyrocket. Regrettably, we simply cannot deal with any of this without a powerful national government and armed force.

I do not let costs determine my political orientation. I've resisted condemning a particular administration or Congress just because of a tax or cost which affected me. I try to hang onto the long view. As a lower middle class kid who's father struggled to put food on the table for seven kids by running a marginal small business, I learned important things by cleaning bathrooms and carrying steel bars from the age of 10. My wife and I lived on a $45 weekly take home check in the summer of 1968 while we looked for teaching jobs. We've worked 40 years to graduate to the full-fledged middle class! Throughout this whole time, the costs imposed on me by ALL of the governments which tax me have only marginally affected my life, despite how conservatives scream that this or that new law will destroy us financially. For me it's probably only been the difference between a Chevy and a fancy Buick. When I think of the enormous cost of keeping this country afloat I am amazed at our stability. Almost every TV person I know admits the same thing: our lifestyle has remained rather stable in recent years. We were not even ruined by the recession, (I'll get to that when I comment about your views on domestic policy), even if we did lose some paper wealth. I can think of two exceptions, both because of health care costs, both who rejoiced the day the health care reform legislation passed. So, my conclusion is that we have the ability to defend our nation without collapsing from within. And regardless of mistakes made by dumb or selfish politicians, we hardly notice the affect, save that awful loss of life.

So, to summarize, I believe we need a powerful federal government, capable of swift and effective response, WHEN NEEDED.

Enough philosophy. Let me apply this to your opinion of the BP escrow case. I'm afraid I disagree that the President's forceful insistence that BP set aside a specific escrow to repair the disaster was either illegal or premature. The Constitution characterizes the role of the President as an initiator, proposer, leader, etc ., with the understanding that this leadership will provide the basis for legislation, where necessary. There are Presidential powers, it is not merely the office of a figurehead. The courts, by design do not impact on situations until decisions and made and actions taken. Using the Constitutional model, President Obama recognized the critical nature of the oil leak crises, the possibility that the company might avoid their responsibility either through bankruptcy or simply dragging their feet forever. He USED HIS INFLUENCE to obtain a decent outcome. BP did not have to comply. But they did!!! They agreed to the escrow. There is no court in the world that would even consider overturning such an action. If it just doesn't seem right to you to give the President some credit, then just say he was lucky to get this concession. I think it's a good example of doing his job to represent the people.

On your concern about oil exploration: The incredible irony of the BP crisis is that the deep-well drilling was done off our coast because it was the only place it would have been allowed! Over recent years, oil companies succeeded in lobbying Congress to water-down drilling regulations. Other countries maintain stronger regulations, but BP was able to drill here, and with less oversight. The awful truth is that if the federal government had kept the regulations we had, and developed stronger ones to address riskier deep-well drilling, the disaster would likely not have occurred. Certainly BP has put up the escrow partly because they know how unreasonably they, their partners and subcontractors acted, taking advantage of a lax situation, falling far short of drilling standards in effect elsewhere in the world. The authors of the effort to relax oil drilling standards were the huge oil companies whose lobbying efforts were so slick and convincing that it was tough for even well-intentioned congressmen to see through them and resist the tempting opportunity to put a few more folks to work in the Gulf.

OK, enough for tonight. You think you're wordy! More on domestic legislation later.
(the wedding was fabulous!)

Hey congratulations to your relatives with the wedding and marriage. Glad to hear you had fun. Good memories. That's what life is all about.

I take it you are/were a school teacher. So, maybe you'll appreciate a request I am going to make of you. I've answered all of your questions to the best of my ability. I honestly enjoyed our exhanges.

Now, I'd like to ask you to do me a favor and explain, in your own words, the three branches of federal government in the US and their roles according to the US Constitution. Explain, also in your own words, which of these branches, Constitutionally, is the most powerful.

Thank you. I look forward to your response.

Guest 08-15-2010 06:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 282364)
Hey congratulations to your relatives with the wedding and marriage. Glad to hear you had fun. Good memories. That's what life is all about.

I take it you are/were a school teacher. So, maybe you'll appreciate a request I am going to make of you. I've answered all of your questions to the best of my ability. I honestly enjoyed our exhanges.

Now, I'd like to ask you to do me a favor and explain, in your own words, the three branches of federal government in the US and their roles according to the US Constitution. Explain, also in your own words, which of these branches, Constitutionally, is the most powerful.

Thank you. I look forward to your response.


I'm still waiting on a reply...

Guest 08-17-2010 05:29 PM

BK - immediately following your August 8th post I received a that post via email through the Talk Host of TOTV before I saw it in this thread. I have no idea why this happened, but I replied the same day to that email which I thought would go to you. It apparently did not.

this is what I sent you:

"BK - In fact I taught the US Constitution for some years. I'm not sure what you are driving at with your questions about it. I have made a comment or two about recent actions of the the executive and judicial branches. President Obama's actions to date are consistent with the power to "recommend" written in the original document. With respect to the judiciary, they simply hear cases of matters which have already occurred, as per my reference replying to the BP matter.
No branch is more powerful than another, indeed the separation of powers was sheer genius at work. Historically one branch or another has temporarily been somewhat more dominant, but only for a brief period. This has a lot to do with the longevity of our government.

I intended to answer your question and make further comments about finance regulation legislation, but I'll save that for the sometime tomorrow or Tues."


Not having seen anything from you until 8/15, and as we have left town to visit my daughter who delivered our first granddaughter on the 13th, I've not made any additional comments.

Finally, I've made some strong statements supporting the need for a strong central government. Knowing you do not generally share that view, I'd appreciate your comments on those specific points.

Guest 08-17-2010 06:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 281368)
of a woman who needs to *wink* to get her point across? I think not. I'm not jealous, I'm ashamed that this country was the laughing stock of the civilized world when they saw who's McCain's running mate was. I might have voted for him? Well, probably not, but geez, couldn't his team have come up with anyone better than her?

Gotta say one thing, she's making some Judith Lieber bag out of that sow's ear. Brava, Brava. I can give credit where credit where credit is do...even if I still think she's the village idiot... fortunately in another village.

I was voteing for McCain until he took on Sarah. Thats all I got to say about that.

Guest 08-30-2010 07:25 AM

"However, I believe he(Thomas Jefferson) would support social security and the new health care reform because of the benefits provided for the average citizen".



He would be the first politician to ACTUALLY READ THE HEALTH CARE REFORM BILL TO DECIDE EXACTLY WHATS IN IT, WOULDNT THAT BE SOMETHING!

NANCY PELOSI SAID LETS PASS IT, THEN WE CAN ALL READ WHATS IN IT???
DUH

Guest 09-07-2010 11:00 PM

If you dont sign onto the health care policy, you can be jailed or fined,

CONTROL OF THE MASSES, RIGHT OUT OF THE ALINSKY PLAYBOOK

PELOSI
WHEN WE PASS THE HEALTH CARE BILL, THEN WE CAN FIND OUT WHATS IN IT

DONT FORGET TO PUT OUT THE TRASH NOV 2ND


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