Since the EPA budget was cut under the Bush administration and Republican controlled congress, year after year, it makes sense that it be raised. The Democrats campaigned on taking the country in a new direction environmentally, and they are moving forward with that initiative.

The democrats are taking us in a new direction...Total bankruptcy.
A 35% raise in a budget of bad science.

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/20...ara_peter_epa/

You've conveniently turned the environmental discussion off topic, but I note - on the day President Bush took office, the National Debt stood at $5.7 trillion dollars. By 2007 the debt clocked in at a staggering $8.8 trillion – an increase of $3.1 trillion dollars since January 20, 2001. And that amounted to a jump of 54% during Mr. Bush's watch. The National Debt went up more on his watch than under any other president.

That means it took the Federal Government 225 years to accrue $5.5 trillion in debt under 42 U.S. presidents. But under President Bush alone, it soared another 35.2%.

It hardly gives the Republicans bragging rights about fiscal discipline.

And anyone who reads a newspaper will realize that Obama inherited a terrible mess: a $1.3 trillion deficit, two wars, rising unemployment and unprecedented crisis in our banking system. Based on the advice of the leading economic gurus he's implemented a plan to jumpstart the economy, and fight the housing crisis and reform the financial regulatory system. You may not agree with his plan, but I suspect you're not an economist, nor am I. I personally don't like the idea of more debt, but given the circumstances and depression era type economic problems that exist now, I think he had no choice. And that's what his economic advisors are telling him as well.

Some of what you say is valid and some of what you say is grossly overeggarated, HOWEVER...you say the following...


"but given the circumstances and depression era type economic problems that exist now, I think he had no choice. And that's what his economic advisors are telling him as well."

You do realize I hope that over 40%. just about 50% of this spending bill was about social programs and had nothing to do with economic stimulus, and I also hope you know that NOBODY in congress actually ever read the bill and I could go on and on.

This is not about Bush and I am not making excuses..he was a big spender...but there were alternatives..they were never considered...and when you have a congress, and no matter how you say it the congress is encouraged and enabled by the current WH, who just passes bills to spend money and they do not even read them we should be very concerned.

I will also add but for no purpose because it, as what you are saying, doesnt matter...each new administration inherits something as did Bush....it is history now as we heard when critiquing Clinton during the Bush administration or we heard during the Clinton administration what he inherited from HW Bush, and on and on.

If you look at the projected deficit under Obama...it is going to make the previous deficit look rather quaint. And don't forget that we have had a democratic dominated congress for the last 2 1/2 years. 98 % of small business has received nothing from this bailout.
And please....when is Obama going to accept some responsibility... The blame Bush crap is getting old. Even the mainstream media is getting cranky.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...l_meeting.html

I am not an educated or very smart person but I do remember burning coal in the fireplace and/or furnace and fuel oil in a space heater. It all added to the dirty atmosphere and contributed to fouling the air as did the unfiltered smokestacks of the foundaries and tanneries and the trains that burned coal and wood. During my lifetime, there has been regulated cleanup of air quality and filtering of those smokestacks. I dont think global warming is manmade but a natural part of the chain of events in the passage of time.
My lawn and flowers are burning up here in the deep swamp but I dont blame man for that. It is due to the lack of rain and intense heat and lack of cloud cover.

Within the past 10 or so years we had a Summer that was too cool to enjoy our pool. That one.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

A denier
 

As we know from our scientists explorations, The Earth was hot and it cooled. It warmed up and then cooled again. All this climate change, global warming and global cooling happened with very little help from man.

What is the appropriate temperature for the Earth? Do you know? If you don't know, how do you know that global warming or cooling is bad?

CO2 is said to be very bad. Should we all hold our breath? Obviously not. There is 0.038% CO2 in the air. Every air breathing animal produces CO2. They have been producing it since time began. When there is too much CO2, plants grow more to clean the air. When there is less CO2, plants grow less for the lack of it. That is a good system when you consider thatCO2 is toxic in higher concentrations: 1% will make some people feel drowsy. Concentrations of 7% to 10% cause dizziness, headache, visual and hearing dysfunction, and unconsciousness within a few minutes to an hour.

I won't even ask if YOU have any empirical evidence that man caused climate change now or ever has existed, I will ask you, does any empirical evidence that man caused climate change now or ever has existed.

That said, why are some people so invested in this cause?

Oh well. I will now wait for the spears and barbs. I would rather see proof, or not.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

From what I can understand, it is some kind of religion for these people to feel morally superior. It doesn't matter that there is no proof of man-made global warming...they have a closed mind. Since they are superior and we are inferior , there is no need for them to listen.
I read a great article about it that explains it better then I can say it. I'll try to find it.

Wow!! Talk about editorial license!!!!
 

There just seems to be no way to have a discussion without bashing, name calling or slandering. A good discussion will always have a difference of opinion...at least the last time I checked the 1st amendment. Or has that been CHANGED too? :jester:

btk

Those who deny the reality of global warming/oops/climate change today will be thought of with the total disdain now reserved for those miscreants who doubted global cooling of the 70's, yet another product of overwhelming scientific consensus. If such people continue to question government scientists, next thing you know someone will raise doubts about the sacred food pyramid on which we've raised a generation of children. http://tinyurl.com/ml7ryg




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So what are we to do about it? All this scientific research you talk about and not one suggestion about what we are to do to change things. Tell me in layman's language what I can do to stop what you consider more threatening than terrorism. I dont really care what next generations think about this generation but I sure am concerned about missiles pointing in my direction.

Bow your heads
 

for the millions, if not billions of HUMANS who have died of malaria because DDT was killing some BIRDS.

Yoda

A member of the loyal opposition

Thank you CABO...you inspired me to check a bit on this group !!!

Seems yet another "charitable" organization that acts as a front for political activism !

Yep, Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring is probably the inspiration for all the Tom, Dick and Harrys that write a book nowadays. Her book started a wave that didn't begin with science and didn't end with science. Because of that book DDT was eventually banned. It is believed that DDT was responsible for saving 40 million American lives. Unfortunately, the ban also caused the death of untold millions. Thank-you EPA!!!!!!!!