More and more scientists are coming out against the Global Warming Myth. Some scientist are relieved that it is safe to come out against it now. Could this be the reason Obama wants to hurry this bill through congress?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124597505076157449.html

Global warming has got to be one of the biggest scams ever. Follow the money.

I believe its a big joke and a way for Gore the bore to make some money.

legislation like the cap tax rush job, just what would any of them know about global warming?

It....has been CLEARLY a political manifestation to get money for the special interest lobbyists.....BOTH PARTIES.

Just one more check mark for the ever growing list of testimony to incompetence in Washington and the braying of the sheeple.

btk

Every 1500 years:

http://www.rightwingnews.com/mt331/2..._dennis_av.php

Just one winter in Michigan....is all it takes for me to be a non-believer!

I have not had the time and do not have it today to really check this article out , but throw this out for information...

"If the Obama administration gets its way, Americans will not become aware of the scientific evidence: Obama's EPA suppressed the Carlin/Davidson report and tried to keep it secret for political reasons. The emails obtained by the CEI are revealing. Here, the two scientists' superior declines to make their report public because "the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment."

"In their report, Carlin and Davidson point out that the EPA has not done its own evaluation of the global warming theory. Rather, it has relied on analyses by others, mostly the U.N.'s IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report. That report, however, was a political document, not a scientific one. Knowing that current scientific research disproves the anthropogenic global warming theory, the U.N. ordered that no recent research be considered in the IPCC report. This is a scandal of which too few people are aware. As science, the U.N. report is a bad joke."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../06/023915.php

Bucco...you have just revealed a blockbuster of a time bomb. The Obama administration, tree huggers and libs are going nuts trying to suppress the Carlin/Davidson Report. I hope and pray the media has the intestinal fortitude (guts) to give the American people the details and let them make their own decisions instead of having global warming, cape and trade and expanded EPA harassment rammed down their unwitting throats in the name of saving the planet by way of a contrived political hoax.

Sally Jo hit it on the head...just follow the money

Thanks Bucco....score a big one for the people.

Originally Posted by Bucco

I have not had the time and do not have it today to really check this article out , but throw this out for information...

"If the Obama administration gets its way, Americans will not become aware of the scientific evidence: Obama's EPA suppressed the Carlin/Davidson report and tried to keep it secret for political reasons. The emails obtained by the CEI are revealing. Here, the two scientists' superior declines to make their report public because "the administration has decided to move forward on endangerment."

"In their report, Carlin and Davidson point out that the EPA has not done its own evaluation of the global warming theory. Rather, it has relied on analyses by others, mostly the U.N.'s IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change) report. That report, however, was a political document, not a scientific one. Knowing that current scientific research disproves the anthropogenic global warming theory, the U.N. ordered that no recent research be considered in the IPCC report. This is a scandal of which too few people are aware. As science, the U.N. report is a bad joke."

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archive.../06/023915.php

To be clear,Carlin is an economist, and Davidson is an ex-member of the Carter administration Council of Environmental quality...and to be clear niether of the men are scientists. There paper is basically a review of articles that are for the most part not even peer reviewed.
Is global warming real? I don't know for sure, I strongly suspect our greenhouse gas problems contribute, it is basic chemistry. Still, with good theories on both sides of the fence it can certainly be argued either way. I doubt most intelligent people would argue though that we haven't have dirtied up our world to some extent in the post industrial age. Would be nice to leave things in good shape for our kids and grandkids etc.
The point of this reply is that this "smoking gun" is no different that any number of other politically motivated papers on either side of the argument, perhaps different in that it is not done by scientists, has no real research, and is just a selective review of "un-peer reviewed" papers to a large extent. It did not, by most scientific standards warrant publishing.
To try to lay this off as some Obama administration cover up is ridiculous and simply more political BS and sensationalism from the media and politicians.
Perhaps it is better to put efforts into more real unbiased research and try to find out to what extent we do or do not need to make changes. That this is politicized at all is pretty indicative of peoples priorities.

The citizenry has been bombarded by the media that the consensus of man-made global warming was fact. The media has been telling us that there is no debate because the consensus said so.

Well, consensus means opinion. It has been drummed into our heads that it cannot be debated. Period. Scientists have been silent to escape ridicule.
Well, the so-called consensus has been shifting the other way and the main stream media doesn't like it.
EPA is a government agency. Think about it. Environment Protection means that they have a vested interest. After all, they do need a boogie man as to have a reason to protect us.
Respected scientists have been coming out of the closest in droves in recent months. Follow the money.. especially taxpayer's money...most of it goes to prove there is man made climate changes....not the other way around. IMHO

Originally Posted by Keedy

The citizenry has been bombarded by the media that the consensus of man-made global warming was fact. The media has been telling us that there is no debate because the consensus said so.

Well, consensus means opinion. It has been drummed into our heads that it cannot be debated. Period. Scientists have been silent to escape ridicule.
Well, the so-called consensus has been shifting the other way and the main stream media doesn't like it.
EPA is a government agency. Think about it. Environment Protection means that they have a vested interest. After all, they do need a boogie man as to have a reason to protect us.
Respected scientists have been coming out of the closest in droves in recent months. Follow the money.. especially taxpayer's money...most of it goes to prove there is man made climate changes....not the other way around. IMHO

The knife cuts both ways and neither "side" participating in BS pseudoscience can claim the moral high ground. This should be about science, and real research thus far has compelling arguments for each side of the debate. Depending on your knowledge, interest, and interpretations one side may have a more compelling argument than the other. There is a plethora of information out there for those that are truly interested in actually learning rather than towing one political line or the other.

Originally Posted by serenityseeker

The knife cuts both ways and neither "side" participating in BS pseudoscience can claim the moral high ground. This should be about science, and real research thus far has compelling arguments for each side of the debate. Depending on your knowledge, interest, and interpretations one side may have a more compelling argument than the other. There is a plethora of information out there for those that are truly interested in actually learning rather than towing one political line or the other.

Understood..But the majority of news sources and talk shows have taken the Al Gore stance that consensus only leans one way. Al Gore and his ilk has said many times that there is no more argument. It is his way or the highway. To be so arrogant is beyond words.
That is like saying "The earth is flat and there will be no more debate". Scientists are now having the nerve to say...I think the earth is round and want to debate it.

Originally Posted by Keedy

Understood..But the majority of news sources and talk shows have taken the Al Gore stance that consensus only leans one way. Al Gore and his ilk has said many times that there is no more argument. It is his way or the highway. To be so arrogant is beyond words.
That is like saying "The earth is flat and there will be no more debate". Scientists are now having the nerve to say...I think the earth is round and want to debate it.

Absolutely no different than those claiming it is all a hoax.

Originally Posted by serenityseeker

Absolutely no different than those claiming it is all a hoax.

You still don't seem to understand what I am saying. The people who say different want a debate but the Gore crowd said debate is over because of the consensus. They are too arrogant to debate the scientific facts. Or they are afraid they will lose the debate. Gore said the majority of his consensus (poll) has to be right....end of debate. Do you think that is right?????

Originally Posted by Keedy

You still don't seem to understand what I am saying. The people who say different want a debate but the Gore crowd said debate is over because of the consensus. They are too arrogant to debate the scientific facts. Or they are afraid they will lose the debate. Gore said the majority of his consensus (poll) has to be right....end of debate. Do you think that is right?????

Let me get this straight. The people that believe global warming is an issue refuse to debate, but those that think it is not are the only ones willing to debate scientific facts? I just don't buy that, a rather absolute statement.

Where did Gore or other people, more appropriately scientists, say "end of debate"? I think I missed that.

The point is what you are doing is nothing more than the continued politicizing of the issue, really no different from those you are attempting to debunk. IMHO.