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Guest 08-12-2012 12:05 PM

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Please supply a link to validate this claim ? Thank you

I actually found your link...the good old ATLANTIC...I do look for facts...just wanted you to know that.

Since the ONLY tax they spent anytime on was Romney and by the way they actually got the percentage wrong on that but I will post to you when I find a comparison of one individual person, although the discussion should be about the pluses and minus of the cuts that may or may not allow what you say....but then the idea is to destroy the man, not what is best for the country !

Google Romney would pay .82% taxes under Ryan Budget and 680,000 results pop up. Take your choice of links.


Mitt Romney Would Pay 0.82 Percent in Taxes Under Paul Ryan's Plan - Matthew O'Brien - The Atlantic

Guest 08-12-2012 12:06 PM

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All I hear over and over and over and over and over is the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more. Over and over and over for the democrats. Are you people fixated on others that have more than you?

Ok, so lets say for the sake of argument I agree. We'll tax the rich more. Give Obama the over $250,000 tax increase. Ok great, done. That funds about 8.5 days more a year of the government.

Now what?

GUESS WHAT?? We're stil broke. Tax all the millionaires and billionaires at 100%

GUESS WHAT?? We're still broke.

Seriously, I'd like to to hear from the lefties, what next?

DKLASSEN....THANK YOU !

The mathmatics of what he keeps saying has been proven to be totally inaccurate and of no value yet he keeps saying it. It serves the class warfare dialogue !

Guest 08-12-2012 12:37 PM

They just harp on the same thing over and over again but the fact is, there is no what next. It doesn't change a damn thing. We're still broke.

I just turned 53 today so I'm one of those two years under Paul Ryan's 55 years and older nothing changes plan.

In 12 years when I retire, Medicare is broke. Where does that leave me? Will taxing the rich fix it all? Hell no because the government will just blow the money on something else.

All I hear is a democratic broken record. Tax the rich, tax the rich, tax the rich. It's starting to get sickening.

Government is spending us into the sewer and all the libs have to say is tax the rich.

No budget in almost 4 years form the democrats. Where's their plan?

Oh wait, I remember what is was. Tax the rich.

Guest 08-12-2012 12:40 PM

OK we get the oppositions ongoing predictable responses. So do a little more than the partisan bash or translating what the opposition proposes to your liking and enlighten us what Obama's plan to make sure what you accuse Romney/Ryan of will not happen, how he intends to do it and how he will pay for it?

btk

Guest 08-12-2012 12:57 PM

Of the last three posts, I can't find anything to disagree with.

Guest 08-12-2012 01:00 PM

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It is so complicated, I get lost in the spaces between paragraphs. I do not care if the snail darter remains on the endangered species list. Stop giving a single dollar to UNICORN, and so many others. OK I get that. BUT

I know of widows that live on less than 700 dollars in SS. Will they be cut even more????

Will the truly working poor still have an avenue for doctor care???

WILL THERE BE A PLAN TO CARE FOR OUR ELDERLY, POOR AND DISABLED CITIZENS under his proposed plan???

As much time as I spend on this board I guess I should know this already, but I do not and I am searching.

The problem is we are promising benefits, jobs, pet projects etc. we can not afford. We have to start addressing the spending problems as they get worse each year. I think the one thing we have proven is that we can not fix everyone's problems by spending more and more money so I guess we have to find a different answer. The idea of a budget is to make sure your income and expenses are in line. Our current approach is not to budget, spend on what ever we think is good for us (the person spending the money) and to complain that the rest of use do not pay enough into the government so it can spend on all it pet projects. This does not mean that we should threaten to cut the expenses that help the truly needy but that we should cut the programs that have not worked.

Guest 08-12-2012 01:11 PM

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The problem is we are promising benefits, jobs, pet projects etc. we can not afford. We have to start addressing the spending problems as they get worse each year. I think the one thing we have proven is that we can not fix everyone's problems by spending more and more money so I guess we have to find a different answer. The idea of a budget is to make sure your income and expenses are in line. Our current approach is not to budget, spend on what ever we think is good for us (the person spending the money) and to complain that the rest of use do not pay enough into the government so it can spend on all it pet projects. This does not mean that we should threaten to cut the expenses that help the truly needy but that we should cut the programs that have not worked.

GOOD post !!!

Guest 08-12-2012 01:13 PM

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Sure....to hell with senior and the poor as long as I am still comfortable. :ohdear:


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Guest 08-12-2012 01:14 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 538960)
The problem is we are promising benefits, jobs, pet projects etc. we can not afford. We have to start addressing the spending problems as they get worse each year. I think the one thing we have proven is that we can not fix everyone's problems by spending more and more money so I guess we have to find a different answer. The idea of a budget is to make sure your income and expenses are in line. Our current approach is not to budget, spend on what ever we think is good for us (the person spending the money) and to complain that the rest of use do not pay enough into the government so it can spend on all it pet projects. This does not mean that we should threaten to cut the expenses that help the truly needy but that we should cut the programs that have not worked.

I agree 100%. My problem is I don't see anyone in wash saying THIS program or THAT program is canceled. I think it has to do with favors and payoffs and bribery. I await the debates and I will vote for the one that gives names and assures me he will kick butt.

Guest 08-12-2012 01:17 PM

When the military says they don't want a new weapon system or a new plane or a new boat as it does nothing to improve preparedness ... That would seem to be a no brainer to cut that program. When are we going to close the bases in Japan and Korea left over from wars that ended over 50 yrs ago? The DOD has a plan http://www.defense.gov/news/Defense_...Priorities.pdf
The Ryan budget does NOT allow for these cuts. But really the Ryan budget is not an issue in this election. The VP does not have any role in the budget unless there is a tie in the senate. What is the Romney Budget? Have we seen any details? Will he say whether he does or does not support the Ryan plan? Will he waffle and say he thinks it is a good blueprint but will refuse to say which parts he supports and which parts he opposes? Will he agree with ending the present structure of Medicare and going to a voucher plan?

Guest 08-12-2012 01:23 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 538898)
All I hear over and over and over and over and over is the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more, the rich should pay more. Over and over and over for the democrats. Are you people fixated on others that have more than you?

Ok, so lets say for the sake of argument I agree. We'll tax the rich more. Give Obama the over $250,000 tax increase. Ok great, done. That funds about 8.5 days more a year of the government.

Now what?

GUESS WHAT?? We're stil broke. Tax all the millionaires and billionaires at 100%

GUESS WHAT?? We're still broke.


Seriously, I'd like to to hear from the lefties, what next?


When will you guys realize this is symptomatic of total disdain for the middle class, people like you and me, unless you happen to be one of the 1% in which case you should be be out on a yacht or on the campaign trail instead of posting on a political forum.

Guest 08-12-2012 01:24 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 538973)
When the military says they don't want a new weapon system or a new plane or a new boat as it does nothing to improve preparedness ... That would seem to be a no brainer to cut that program. When are we going to close the bases in Japan and Korea left over from wars that ended over 50 yrs ago? The DOD has a plan http://www.defense.gov/news/Defense_...Priorities.pdf
The Ryan budget does NOT allow for these cuts. But really the Ryan budget is not an issue in this election. The VP does not have any role in the budget unless there is a tie in the senate. What is the Romney Budget? Have we seen any details? Will he say whether he does or does not support the Ryan plan? Will he waffle and say he thinks it is a good blueprint but will refuse to say which parts he supports and which parts he opposes? Will he agree with ending the present structure of Medicare and going to a voucher plan?


Yeah...if you check his website and various speeches but it sort of comes down to...you show me yours, and I will show you mine since our country has had NO budget at all for 3 years !!!!!!!

Guest 08-12-2012 01:57 PM

Well, here are the last 3 Obama budgets
 
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Yeah...if you check his website and various speeches but it sort of comes down to...you show me yours, and I will show you mine since our country has had NO budget at all for 3 years !!!!!!!

Why do you continue to claim that we have had no budget for three years? If you mean that the House has refused to accept the Obama budget, that may be true, but that is politics. The White House has proposed a detailed budget every year. For 2012

Federal Budget 2012 | The Washington Post
This is for 2013
The Budget | The White House

For 2011
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/budget.pdf

So each year Obama has proposed a detailed budget. It is completely unfair for you to continue to post as if there is no budget. It has been done with continuing resolutions and brinkmanship and threats of government showdowns but details of what Obama proposed are readily available and the spending of the government is available as well.

So when people post asking to see the Romney/Ryan proposed budget please don't reply that there is no budget, they are asking for his proposal to compare to the Obama proposal. Simple

Guest 08-12-2012 02:08 PM

So what good is a budget anyway if their spending continues to exceeds allocations by a long shot?

Guest 08-12-2012 02:11 PM

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Posted by Guest (Post 539006)
Why do you continue to claim that we have had no budget for three years? If you mean that the House has refused to accept the Obama budget, that may be true, but that is politics. The White House has proposed a detailed budget every year. For 2012

Federal Budget 2012 | The Washington Post
This is for 2013
The Budget | The White House

For 2011
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/budget.pdf

So each year Obama has proposed a detailed budget. It is completely unfair for you to continue to post as if there is no budget. It has been done with continuing resolutions and brinkmanship and threats of government showdowns but details of what Obama proposed are readily available and the spending of the government is available as well.

So when people post asking to see the Romney/Ryan proposed budget please don't reply that there is no budget, they are asking for his proposal to compare to the Obama proposal. Simple

If you say so.....

"President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year.
"

Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate - Washington Times

If you think this is the way to run the country and you guys have had TOTAL control for two years and the WH for the last three....

I suppose this is what the leadership in the oval office wants...

"The cost, say analysts, is that Congress is once again allowing the federal budget process to remain rudderless and lawmakers unaccountable as the nation lurches toward fiscal crisis.

“Congress is legally required to consider a budget resolution every year, but there’s no penalty for not doing it, and no one has any standing to sue,” says Stan Collender, a longtime congressional budget analyst with Qorvis Communications in Washington.

Historically, the job of proposing and approving a budget has been a crucial one for the Congress.

While actual line-by-line spending decisions are made later, during the appropriations process, the budget is the one federal document that lays out a vision for the nation's finances. It is designed to be the moment when Congress takes a hard look at the books and makes sound plans for America's fiscal future.

The lack of a budget plan for the past three years has exacerbated America's fiscal problems because, for three years, Congress has not passed a roadmap to bring spiraling deficits under control. "


No budget? No problem! The Politics Behind Budgetless America - US Politics - CNBC

Now all that financial woe is about to come down on us right after the election. All the lack of discipline will show its face and the cuts that all are moaning about today within the Ryan budget will NEED to be made anyway, THUS why not an honest debate instead of the constant onslaught of tax the rich, which EVERY economist in the country and I mean all will tell you that will not alone even scratch the surface of our problems, yet we continue on like innocent children.....one side wants to discuss it, unpleasant as it may be because it is inevitable, and the other side simply ridicules people and tries to destroy individuals instead of discussing what this country will face.

Of course you can have it anyway you want, that is what you can do.


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