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Guest 08-12-2012 05:49 PM

Mitt Romney must not be too sure that the Ryan Budget is going to over too well in Florida, as NBC News has just reported that Paul Ryan will not be accompaning Romney to Florida tomorrow, but instead traveling to Iowa.

Guest 08-12-2012 06:18 PM

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Mitt Romney must not be too sure that the Ryan Budget is going to over too well in Florida, as NBC News has just reported that Paul Ryan will not be accompaning Romney to Florida tomorrow, but instead traveling to Iowa.

Why would that be ? Explain ?

Guest 08-12-2012 06:52 PM

Maybe it means that Rep. Ryan's budget plan with the changes he wants in Medicare and Social Security would not go over in Florida.

Maybe it means that Ryan would have to explain in detail by what he means by Natural Law. Does it have to do with the Natural Law Party?

Guest 08-12-2012 06:54 PM

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Maybe it means that Rep. Ryan's budget plan with the changes he wants in Medicare and Social Security would not go over in Florida.

Maybe it means that Ryan would have to explain in detail by what he means by Natural Law. Does it have to do with the Natural Law Party?

What is in his budget that would affect anyone over 55 ?

On Natural law he refers to the constitution of the United States...you folks heard of it, right ?


"The classic definition of "natural rights" are "life, liberty, and property", but these need to be expanded somewhat. They are rights of "personhood", not "citizenship". These rights are not all equally basic, but form a hierarchy of derivation, with those listed later being generally derived from those listed earlier."

http://constitution.org/powright.htm

If you are still confused, it is the doctrine on which this country is supposed to be running !

Although you are way off topic here, I wont report you !

Guest 08-12-2012 08:03 PM

with no knowledge or insight to why they are splitting up (which they said they were going to do) it is so nice to reach conclusions that convey what you would like to have others think is the problem.

Some of us know better.

btk

Guest 08-12-2012 08:09 PM

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According to the Ryan Budget, Mitt Romney's new effective tax rate would be .82%. That is correct, under 1%. No wonder he is cheering on the Ryan Budget.

Interesting. Could you cut and past that section of the budget so I can understand the calculations?

Guest 08-12-2012 08:16 PM

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Why do you continue to claim that we have had no budget for three years? If you mean that the House has refused to accept the Obama budget, that may be true, but that is politics. The White House has proposed a detailed budget every year. For 2012

Federal Budget 2012 | The Washington Post
This is for 2013
The Budget | The White House

For 2011
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/defa...ets/budget.pdf

So each year Obama has proposed a detailed budget. It is completely unfair for you to continue to post as if there is no budget. It has been done with continuing resolutions and brinkmanship and threats of government showdowns but details of what Obama proposed are readily available and the spending of the government is available as well.

So when people post asking to see the Romney/Ryan proposed budget please don't reply that there is no budget, they are asking for his proposal to compare to the Obama proposal. Simple

while it is true that obama prepared budgets - and those budgets were not acceptable to the house of representatives - did i miss the part where obama and his minions did anything to negotiate a final budget? did i miss the negotiation and compromise part? did i miss where the president, senate and house representatives sat down over burgers and brews and knocked out a budget deal? or could it be that because none of those events took place with serious intent that the country wound up with continuing resolutions? all parties found it more convenient to play the blame game and revel in the press coverage and face-time it granted them than they did sitting down and doing the hard work.

and that is why i lay the blame for our fiscal collapse squarely at the feet of the president of the united states - for his failure to lead and to insure that the best outcomes for the country are designed and implemented. he is still a social reformer with no concern for the welfare of the country. he is overly concerned with income and wealth equality among us rather than insuring that all of us have an equal opportunity to increase our income and wealth. he prefers to give a man a fish rather than teach him to fish - and he will take another man's last fish to accomplish his goal. that is the ultimate robin hood economy!

over and over and over all i hear is that we have to take from the rich and spend it on the poor. and it disappoints me that people follow this philosophy and intention the same way the rats followed the pied piper! hopefully we will all be better off -dare i say live happily ever after - when the piper and his followers are played out of town!

Guest 08-12-2012 08:22 PM

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while it is true that obama prepared budgets - and those budgets were not acceptable to the house of representatives - did i miss the part where obama and his minions did anything to negotiate a final budget? did i miss the negotiation and compromise part? did i miss where the president, senate and house representatives sat down over burgers and brews and knocked out a bidget deal? or could it be that because none of those events took place with serious intent that the country wound up with continuing resolutions? all parties found it more convenient to play the blame game and revel in the press coverage and face-time it granted them than they did sitting down and doing the hard work.

and that is why i lay the blame for our fiscal collapse squarely at the feet of the president of the united states - for his failure to lead and to insure that the best outcomes for the country are designed and implemented. he is still a social reformer with no concern for the welfare of the country. he is overly concerned with income and wealth equality among us rather than insuring that all of us have an equal opportunity to increase our income and wealth. he prefers to give a man a fish rather than teach him to fish - and he will take another man's last fish to accomplish his goal. that is the ultimate robin hood economy!

over and over and over all i hear is that we have to take from the rich and spend it on the poor. and it disappoints me that people follow this philosophy and intention the same way the rats followed the pied piper! hopefully we will all be better off -dare i say live happily ever after - when the piper and his followers are played out of town!

Now, that is what I am talkin" bout !!!

This president is hell bent on tearing us apart. After calling all the Republicans, both house and senate names.....after the misleading he has done and as you point out.....his complete VOID of leadership how can he ever get anything at all done !

This man has blamed everyone for what has happened, without nary an attempt to bring us together. When he had control of BOTH houses of congress, he just never even spoke to anyone...he got through all he wanted to get through while he had that control. Look around....this is what he created, but it is all someone elses fault !

Guest 08-12-2012 10:18 PM

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while it is true that obama prepared budgets - and those budgets were not acceptable to the house of representatives - did i miss the part where obama and his minions did anything to negotiate a final budget? did i miss the negotiation and compromise part? did i miss where the president, senate and house representatives sat down over burgers and brews and knocked out a budget deal? or could it be that because none of those events took place with serious intent that the country wound up with continuing resolutions? all parties found it more convenient to play the blame game and revel in the press coverage and face-time it granted them than they did sitting down and doing the hard work.

and that is why i lay the blame for our fiscal collapse squarely at the feet of the president of the united states - for his failure to lead and to insure that the best outcomes for the country are designed and implemented. he is still a social reformer with no concern for the welfare of the country. he is overly concerned with income and wealth equality among us rather than insuring that all of us have an equal opportunity to increase our income and wealth. he prefers to give a man a fish rather than teach him to fish - and he will take another man's last fish to accomplish his goal. that is the ultimate robin hood economy!

over and over and over all i hear is that we have to take from the rich and spend it on the poor. and it disappoints me that people follow this philosophy and intention the same way the rats followed the pied piper! hopefully we will all be better off -dare i say live happily ever after - when the piper and his followers are played out of town!

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Now, that is what I am talkin" bout !!!

This president is hell bent on tearing us apart. After calling all the Republicans, both house and senate names.....after the misleading he has done and as you point out.....his complete VOID of leadership how can he ever get anything at all done !

This man has blamed everyone for what has happened, without nary an attempt to bring us together. When he had control of BOTH houses of congress, he just never even spoke to anyone...he got through all he wanted to get through while he had that control. Look around....this is what he created, but it is all someone elses fault !

These two posts say everything I'm thinking about this President and his abdication of any responsibility in passing a budget, when he's shown no leadership on this issue and instead has only cast blame on others.

The malpractice of the lamestream mainstream media is complicit in his ability to shield his utter "failure".
(I put that in quotes, because I'm not convinced Obama isn't courting fiscal disaster with purpose)

Guest 08-12-2012 10:54 PM

there is absolutely no excuse for not having a budget.
This is one of the more simple of the reasons I lost confidence in him ever doing anything. There is always a reason or an explanation or some one telling us what he meant or did not mean.

It is always some one else's fault why he or the dems do not have a budget. As long as they offer an excuse they feel they have done their job.

Well they have not. It is irresponsible to try to run any financial entity without a budget. To not have a budget and no one even raise holy hell to get it done very well demonstrates the complete lack of leadership, responsibility or accountability.

Same work habits as in his other part time job as a US Senator when a vote yea or nay was required he voted "present"....non commital, not responsible, do not dare take a stand in case there is a personal risk.

Those of you who either have a comfort with not having a budget or helping him make excuses either do not understand the process or don't care.

This is one of the reasons Ryan will be a plus in the next administration!!!

btk

Guest 08-13-2012 03:30 AM

I've always wondered why...
 
the government doesn't reduce the deficit by deducting the same percentage from all programs...Is this just too simple

Guest 08-13-2012 04:54 AM

Some programs need to go period and some need more fundiing. God help those that have to make the call on the reductions.

Guest 08-13-2012 05:10 AM

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the government doesn't reduce the deficit by deducting the same percentage from all programs...Is this just too simple

I've often wondered the same thing...5-10% across the board...maybe not even that much...you're right...it may be too simple.

Guest 08-13-2012 08:57 AM

What is the Federal Budget?? Who won't compromise?
 
Bucco continues to insist that there is no budget for the Obama years. The Federal Budget is defined as the President's proposal submitted to Congress for its consideration as an outline of his spending priorities for the next fiscal year. Congress then funds the government through various means including appropriations, continuing resolutions ...
From Wikipedia:

The Budget of the United States Government is the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.

After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it. A vetoed bill is sent back to Congress, which can pass it into law with a two-thirds majority in each chamber. Congress may also combine all or some appropriations bills into an omnibus reconciliation bill. In addition, the president may request and the Congress may pass supplemental appropriations bills or emergency supplemental appropriations bills.


Every year Obama has submitted a budget as I documented. You may argue about his leadership ability but your recurring statement that there has been no budget is wrong. Which party is resposible for the lack of compromise in Washington? Which party had its top leadership declare that its main job was to do everything it could to make this a one term President (perhaps including keeping the economy as depressed as possible)
Here is Cantor on his willingness to compromise:

"House Republican leaders said Sunday his (Obama's) budget is DEAD ON ARRIVAL" (my caps)

Are you aware of the book by Grunwald detailing the GOP plan for "cooperation" with Obama which was launched even before he was in office? Read this carefully and then lecture me about the "failure" of Obama to reach across the aisle..

Grunwald has Joe Biden on the record making a striking charge. Biden says that during the transition, a number of Republican Senators privately confided to him that Mitch McConnell had given them the directive that there was to be no cooperation with the new administration — because he had decided that “we can’t let you succeed.” ...

Biden, of course, has a history of outsized comments. But two former Republican Senators [Bob Bennett and Arlen Specter] are confirming the gist of the charges... Meanwhile, former Senator George Voinovich also goes on record telling Grunwald that

Republican marching orders were to oppose everything the Obama administration proposed.

“If he was for it, we had to be against it,” Voinovich tells Grunwald. ... “He wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”

Guest 08-13-2012 09:07 AM

a PROPOSAL is not a budget.

An APPROVED budget is what we have not had for 3 years running.

There are no spending limits with no budget.

Many dems have stated it is better to stay away from budget discussions as it would surface too many embarassing questions that would not be good to come up around election time.....that was what was said before the 2010 mid terms and is for sure a subject they do not want to discuss now.

That is precisely the reason for the attacks on Ryan.

For those who thrive in an out of control spending, no budget, no accountability, no responsibility spending....their worst nightmare has just happened...ROMNEY PICKED RYAN!!!!!!

btk


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