I've always wondered why...
 

the government doesn't reduce the deficit by deducting the same percentage from all programs...Is this just too simple

Some programs need to go period and some need more fundiing. God help those that have to make the call on the reductions.

I've often wondered the same thing...5-10% across the board...maybe not even that much...you're right...it may be too simple.

What is the Federal Budget?? Who won't compromise?
 

Bucco continues to insist that there is no budget for the Obama years. The Federal Budget is defined as the President's proposal submitted to Congress for its consideration as an outline of his spending priorities for the next fiscal year. Congress then funds the government through various means including appropriations, continuing resolutions ...
From Wikipedia:

The Budget of the United States Government is the President's proposal to the U.S. Congress which recommends funding levels for the next fiscal year, beginning October 1. Congressional decisions are governed by rules and legislation regarding the federal budget process. Budget committees set spending limits for the House and Senate committees and for Appropriations subcommittees, which then approve individual appropriations bills to allocate funding to various federal programs.

After Congress approves an appropriations bill, it is sent to the President, who may sign it into law, or may veto it. A vetoed bill is sent back to Congress, which can pass it into law with a two-thirds majority in each chamber. Congress may also combine all or some appropriations bills into an omnibus reconciliation bill. In addition, the president may request and the Congress may pass supplemental appropriations bills or emergency supplemental appropriations bills.

Every year Obama has submitted a budget as I documented. You may argue about his leadership ability but your recurring statement that there has been no budget is wrong. Which party is resposible for the lack of compromise in Washington? Which party had its top leadership declare that its main job was to do everything it could to make this a one term President (perhaps including keeping the economy as depressed as possible)
Here is Cantor on his willingness to compromise:

"House Republican leaders said Sunday his (Obama's) budget is DEAD ON ARRIVAL" (my caps)

Are you aware of the book by Grunwald detailing the GOP plan for "cooperation" with Obama which was launched even before he was in office? Read this carefully and then lecture me about the "failure" of Obama to reach across the aisle..

Grunwald has Joe Biden on the record making a striking charge. Biden says that during the transition, a number of Republican Senators privately confided to him that Mitch McConnell had given them the directive that there was to be no cooperation with the new administration — because he had decided that “we can’t let you succeed.” ...

Biden, of course, has a history of outsized comments. But two former Republican Senators [Bob Bennett and Arlen Specter] are confirming the gist of the charges... Meanwhile, former Senator George Voinovich also goes on record telling Grunwald that

Republican marching orders were to oppose everything the Obama administration proposed.

“If he was for it, we had to be against it,” Voinovich tells Grunwald. ... “He wanted everyone to hold the fort. All he cared about was making sure Obama could never have a clean victory.”

a PROPOSAL is not a budget.

An APPROVED budget is what we have not had for 3 years running.

There are no spending limits with no budget.

Many dems have stated it is better to stay away from budget discussions as it would surface too many embarassing questions that would not be good to come up around election time.....that was what was said before the 2010 mid terms and is for sure a subject they do not want to discuss now.

That is precisely the reason for the attacks on Ryan.

For those who thrive in an out of control spending, no budget, no accountability, no responsibility spending....their worst nightmare has just happened...ROMNEY PICKED RYAN!!!!!!

btk

You mean liberals.

Obama has submitted his budget EVERY year he has been in office.

The president doesn’t "pass" a budget. That’s Congress’ job.

blueash -
your copy/paste points are well made. but what they do not address is obama's failure to press for negotiation, compromise, and resolution. a leader does not accept intended defeat, roll over, get up and just cast blame on the opposition. a leader who cannot enter the front door tries the back door or any window that might be open! a real leader will bulldoze their way to get to the occupants if necessary! obama failed miserably at working around the blockades and thus, failed america, you, me and us! obama should have spent his time reading about the successful and failed american battlefield strategies rather than marxist literature so he would have an idea how to approach opposition!

and just what did obama do to insure that his proposed budget got a fair hearing, evaluation, negotiation, compromise and resolution in congress?

please provide more than just a one or two or three line explanation if you can. i understand that ther might not be one which is that long.

blueash's post is spot on - Congress is NOT interested in hearings, or negotiations, or compromise.

apparently, obama is not either and prefers to use congress' inaction to cast blame only on the house and use harry reid and nancy pelosi only as shields. althought i don't believe nancy's announcement that she was visited by susan b anthony is gonna help her credibility!

still waiting for YOUR explanation instead of your reliance on another poster's info. i seriously want to understand your one/two liners and how you reach the conculsions you post. thanx

It doesn't take more than one line to say - " Congress is NOT interested in hearings, or negotiations, or compromise"

What part of that one line don't you grasp?

That is an excellent line to remember, Coralway.

Surprising that the tea party and their Republican toadies fail to understand the words "negotiate or compromise".

Its The Economy Stupid
 

In order for a leader to.. well lead s/he needs to gain the confidence, credibility and respect of those s/he leads. Given Obama's failed stewardship and even larger failed ideaology the only reason that Obama was not fired is that America doesn't fire presidents for poor performance , that is what re-elections are all about.

It is so apparent that the proposed budget submitted by Obama is one that fails to meet the acid test by members of both sides of the congressional aisle because its the same tired ideas that haven't worked for the last three years and in fact have dug us deeper into debt.

Obama despite his deflections owns this economy but he is a weak leader and will continue until his last breath to blame others.

Democratic strategist James Carvell has reiterated the Clintonian meme "Its the economy stupid". Is there any question that the only two people who can grow our economy are Romney and Ryan and not Obama and Biden. Is there any question that Obama and Biden recognize that fact and will hammer continuing scare tactics to the aged, and dole dependent.

Is there any question that a whole lot of people on food stamps, unemployment etc are proud people who want to earn a living once again and gain the respect they so well deserve and the two people who can grow the economy and thus jobs are Romney and Ryan.

Do Greece, spain, Italy and California's troubles come to resemble the social/economic agenda of the Democratic party and its pandering to unions and in particular public unions that are weighing down our debt more and more each year.

And we haven't even yet discussed Obama's failed ,military and foreign policies.

Tough to figure out these people, buggy .............. it's like the Cons need a 10 paragraph explanation as what "negotiate or compromise" means.

don't need an explanation of what it is - obama is the pure example of the failure to negotiate and compromise AND resolve! need to know why obama will not insist on that approach. that is a question the libs will not AND cannot answer! one-liner responses are proof of that. there is no explanation is a one-liner. obama will not and cannot respond to answer the question; and the same game plan is followed by the libs. thus, america loses.

i understand it only too well - and suffer for it because there is no president to lead and insist on negotiation, compromise and resolution. please tell me why the president will not lead and insist on it - i don't care what the congressional attitude is - i want to know what obama's excuse is. and if his excuse is that congress is not interested in negotiation, compromise, resolution - that just proves my point that the president is not a leader and refuses to be one!

The House is the pure example of the failure to negotiate and compromise AND resolve ! need to know why Boehner will not insist on that approach. That is the question the Cons will not AND cannot answer !

- see how that works?

By the way, in 2008 the american electorate voted for Obama's agenda - not Boehner's.

still no real response to the excellant blueash post from the cons. Just more talking points and spin. Anyone who only and continually blames Obama and Dems for budget impasse are fooling themselves and have drunk too much Kool-aid. Open up your minds,please.

How dare you insult me !!!

In post #30 on this thread I gave you a response that you evidently do not want to accept event though it is factual and is common knowledge.

THERE IS NO BUDGET FOR THIS COUNTRY AND HAS NOT BEEN FOR 3 YEARS.

The Obama budget has been submitted...this from the Washington Newpaper that I included in my post...

"
"President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year."

The House PASSED a budget...which the senate refused to consider....That is the democratic senate that voted also against the Obama budget

What are you people even talking about. What is their to negotiate now. The President walked out of a meeting with the leaders of congress about 1 1/2 years ago...just left the meeting and never even called anyone...the meeting was on our spending.

If you are to use my name, you better use it accurately. THERE IS NO BUDGET APPROVED BY CONGRESS WHERE THAT FUNNY PAPER YOU folks keep ignoring called the constitution says it should be approved. NOBODY has ever voted for the Presidents submission on the budget...NOBODY and that includes Democrats.

So let us review for those who are saying that "congress" refuses to negotiate...

.....Obama has offered a budget PROPOSAL each year. NOBODY, including Democrats have ever voted for it....NOBODY !!!

.....The only part of congress that complied with the constitution was the HOUSE who did in fact approve a budget and the senate will not discuss it and the president wont talk to anyone about it.

It is so sad when americans do not even know how the government of their own country works. I just checked the last post and another who does not even know what is happening in their own country......

AGAIN......

""President Obama's budget suffered a second embarrassing defeat Wednesday, when senators voted 99-0 to reject it.

Coupled with the House's rejection in March, 414-0, that means Mr. Obama's budget has failed to win a single vote in support this year."

Obama budget defeated 99-0 in Senate - Washington Times

THIS INCLUDE DEMOCRATS......WAKE UP FOLKS...READ ABOUT WHAT IS HAPPENING.

How many votes have the Democrats offered to the Obama budget PLEASE ?

You are right...at least the senate is not...they have refused to discuss or take any action on 30 bills that create jobs....and as unbelievable as it sounds, they refused to even talk about a bill to stop the stealing of taxpayer money by illegal immigrants in a much published scam they use. REFUSED TO ALLOW DISCUSSION.

Isn't this the Plan Newt called "right wing social engineering"?

PLEASE...all these posts on how we have a budget..how the Republicans are holding up the budget...continue your conversation keeping in mind the only part of congress that passed a budget was the house and the senate refused to even discuss it.

The senate also for three straight years has dealt the President a shutout on his proposals.

PLEASE, non stop saying things that are not true or even close to true must be exhausting but please continue !

Not the point at all. You have made some harsh accusations and statements on this thread...I WANT to hear you back them up !

seems to work the same way that prince harry will not permit legislation sent to the senate by the house to come to the senate floor - no? guess the senate is an equally pure example of the 'failure to negotiate and compromise'

i see too well how that works - the same way that obama fails to negotiate and compromise, not to mention to resolve. boehner has stated that he is willing to sit down and talk to try to move toward resolution - too bad that harry, nancy and obama will not take him up on his offer.

re how the american electorate voted in 2008 - i pray every nite that they have seen the error of their way, have not suffered too much because of it, have learned from it and will correct it in 2012. based on interim elections, prayers migh just be at work.

PLEASE....WHERE have all you accusers gone ?

Obama budget has been shot down by all politicans on both sides of the aisle...got it ?

Only folks who abided by our constitution was the house and the senate would not discuss that !

I am not shocked that you folks make false claims...I AM shocked that you dont even know what is going on in this country....oh, I am one who cannot wait for the debates !

waynet - i hope your post is not a reference to mine - for i have placed blame on dems/reps, senate/house for not negotiating, compromising, resolving...AND...have placed the blame for failing to insist on negotiating, compromising and resolving at the feet of obama - whose job as president of the united states of america is to lead the government and insure that the government is acting in the best interest of its people.

the job of the president of the united states of america is NOT to whine and stamp his feet in one tantrum after another - it is to lead!

Gingrich Calls GOP Budget 'Right Wing Social Engineering' | PBS NewsHour

bucco - recognition of that fact is not part of the democrat's play book - it admits that more than just the republicans/members of obama's own party do not support him and his budget. the dems get no campaign mileage out of such an admission so it is not a talking point.

AMEN to your post NJ....but most of the whining and yelling on here is pure political nonsense.

The ONLY part of congress that did their duty was the house...the actually approved a budget BUT the senate would not even discuss i.

You can approve of the budget or not but they did their job.

Now the President did his job also...he submitted a budget (actually 3 of them)....all of them were "shut out".....all partied, both Democrat an Republican in both the house and senate voted against it.

So...this yelping about Republicans is like you folks dont even know this ....like it is a surprise, otherwise some of the things being said would not be said because frankly they are embarassing.

It just scares me no end to think that people would come on here and post tripe and embarass themselves by saying things that are so easily, if you know anything, proven false.

It is preposterous to say that the House did their job. All they did was pass radical, BS bills that they knew had no chance in the Senate and, frankly, that had very little support of the American people. Instead of focusing on jobs they focused on battering women.

But don't forget, the house voted to repeal the Affordable Care Act 32 times. It's been estimated that action alone cost 50 million dollars. Not to mention the number of abortion bills they voted on. But according to Speaker Boehner, it all about jobs, jobs, jobs.

Lots of your opinion but quite an accusation...can you speak to

"Instead of focusing on jobs they focused on battering women."

When you respond to that accusation we can discuss your comment which is ridiciously out of context.

I said the house did their job relative to passing a budget and you know that I did but you turned it around and deleted the part about the budget. Why would someone do something like that ?

And that last bill to stop the illegals from scamming he IRS was one big radical bill....dont blame Reid for stopping that one !!!! Whew !

aw, geez, everyone knows that the bs bill door swings both ways. the libs just can't address the lack of presidential leadership, the void, that exists in getting the job of the american people done. it is so much easier to cast blame than it is to sit down together and do the hard work!

Are you kidding?
 

Under Ryan's plan Medicare is going to be at least the same or better for retirees. Not what from what I've read. Kind of scary. Well maybe if your never sick and when you're 95 you die in your sleep. Unfortunately that's the exception and not the rule.

I'm self centered. I want a candidate that will take care of me in my golden years and not destroy a lifetime of putting in place a reasonable retirement. Some candidate has about three months to convince me. What a shame cause I'm not too hopeful.

Congressman Paul Ryan thinks that 80 year olds want to choose their healthcare...80 year olds want security, not more choices.

Explain please just how you got to make that claim ????

It seems to be not only very very general in its scope but lacking in any facts whatsoever !

aljetmet - whether you are self-centered or not, why do you want someone to take care of you in your golden years and perhaps limit all that you could be and could have and could do, etc? why do you not want to take care of yourself? why do you want someone else to take responsibility for your personal welfare and well-being?