Richie: I absolutely agree that I had some stuff that sounded far-fetched by today's standards. But when people (not necessarily you) start talking about wanting new laws, you have to look at those extremes so that the law can handle them when they inevitable DO arise.

It's kind of like how we have laws against killing someone - but if we do it in *self-defense*, the law allows that.

I never would have believe the "12 year old rape victim" story years ago - until my mother told me how her boss (a veterinarian - DVM) was talking to an MD friend of his who had to deal with more than one pregnant 10-year-old. This was sending sollective shudders down the spines of a LOT of people in rural Indiana as word spread.

So, yes, I'll bring up the extreme cases because it's better to do it ahead of time than to have to deal with 'unforseen circumstances' later on.

The most extreme "solution to your extremist circumstances is the destruction (murder) of the life innocent of all the circumstances.

That is the way many see it; those of true Christian faith.

I get a Personal Liberty Alerts newsletter every day and this is what they had to say about Cain’s 9-9-9:

The article says that while Cain’s claim that he will throw out the current tax plan may be true, his ability to replace it with 9-9-9 would take a long time, and the result would be only temporary. The research indicates such because 9-9-9 is the second of three parts involved in the Cain tax goal. The first step would cut individual and corporate tax rates to a top 25 percent rate, and the last step is actually the replacement of any current tax structure — even 9-9-9 — with a national sales tax or Fair Tax.

http://www.personalliberty.com/news/...rrid=387054256

The Tax Policy Center, a joint venture of the Brookings institute and the Urban Institute, both viewed as left center reports that Cain's 9-9-9 plan concludes that more than 90% of people earning $37,090 (the bottom 40%) would see a tax increase. And that those earning less than $17,900 (bottom 20%) would pay $1854 more in taxes by contrast the top 20% with incomes greater than $111,000 would set their taxes cut by $14,400

This has strengthened fiscal conervatives view of Cain's plan because close to half of U.S. taxpayers, mostly lower and middle incomes households do not pay taxes under the current tax plan. The top 20% would bear 51% of the burden under the Cain plan down 17% while the bottom 20% would bear 3.4% up from 1%

(WSJ "Study Puts Cain's Tax Plan Under Microscope" pageA5)

I believe that as it stands now retirees will be faced with a double taxation because they will be spending income that has already been taxed and/or will be taxed when withdrawn from IRA's, etc. I am also believe with the passage of the time the consumption tax will continue to rise well into double digits.
But even now taxpayers will be forced to pay a state tax plus the federal consumption tax in florida that would be 16%.

Because of this and numerous other reasons this lan will never see the light of day

I absolutely meant what I said about abortion...that it is a woman's right to choose. I never said I advocated abortion; I said I support the right of choice, whatever that choice is.

"advocate" is a synonym for "support". Check your Merriam-Webster if you don't believe me.

I do understand why you're trying to put a little distance between what it is you support, and what it actually is.

I support the unborn person's right to choose!

Me too. Your either for abortion or against. "Choice" is a cop-out.

Ever heard of the game-"Telephone"?

You did it again...twisted my words and my intent. You are a master at that. I am NOT distancing myself from what I have said...I have been entirely consistent. You just like saying whatever you want to say to demean others to make yourself appear always right. Got a newsflash for you.. you are not right a LOT of the time. You are a legend in your own mind. Once again, and I will make this as simple as possible: I support a woman's right of choice...if it is abortion...I support that..if it is giving birth...I support that. I will always support a woman's right to choose. Do you understand now?

Yes, you support abortion. You support the killing of babies. You are very clear.

WHO WILL SPEAK FOR THOSE WHO CANNOT SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES? How is one person's choice, based on their economic or social condition in life WORTH MORE than another person's chance to LIVE!
Woman can have all the rights over their own body that they want. Have at it. The unborn child is not part of the mother's body!!!!!!!!! What is so hard to understand about that?
If you cannot prove when the unborn isn't a human, and you don't believe I can prove that the unborn is human...WHY DO WE NOT ERR ON THE SIDE OF CAUTION?
If you aren't sure whether someone is in the building or not, why would you demolish it?
WHAT AM I MISSING!?!?

What you said.

Ladydoc is a very educated person and is on the side of the page I am on. Richie is a very decent guy who I have gotten to know and is passionate about his views on Pro-Choice. Richie loves to argue a point and sometimes it seems it just for the point of arguement - but that is how some New Jersyites are from being in that state.

We have to excuse Katz and Village Golfer for...- well, we just have to excuse them.

Richie has stated his viewpoints from a religious point and Ladydoc has stated hers from a humanistic viewpoint. Both are passionate in their beliefs but the world has to go with Ladydoc. It is up to a woman to decide for herself and NOT up to politicians.

End of discussion.

You forgot to tell us Buggyone's credentials...